Long time lurker here but no doubt will be flamed for this being my first post and it not being the best of news I pre-ordered like many others on 7th at 9am, got in the 1st round and received the "Ships by 14th Oct" notification. Because I am away travelling next week, I wanted to be sure my phone would turn up on 14th, so called Apple. The bad news- the lady I spoke to was absolutely insistent that no pre-orders would actually be delivered on 14th, just that this is when they'll start to ship. I kicked off and said that was not like the 4 launch, when people got them on launch day delivered to their homes. She escalated to her supervisor who said the same- no shipments before 14th, so earliest arrival is 15th, and the "majority" would arrive the following week. He also added that there are no 4S's in the country as yet. I'm still hoping they're saying this to manage expectations for a few people who won't get them on 14th, but this looks like wishful thinking now. Gutted. I know there's been endless speculation about when international orders will arrive, so thought this might be useful, if disappointing info to stick in a thread. Wish it was better news!