UK iPhone 5s and 5c Thread

[lewisking]

Bristol Cabots Circus. Looks like the Southgate store in Bath also have plenty of stock

Haha, a fellow Bath based reader! I went into Southgate yesterday and I know they have stock of the 16GB iPhone 5S in white. Seemed to have a big shipment over the weekend of others too. Annoyingly I have to wait till Thursday for mine to arrive after ordering it online directly from Apple 3 weeks ago!

 

[oVerboost]

Stores will get stock... Just in time for the Xmas rush lol.

 

[Bazooka-joe]

Haha, a fellow Bath based reader! I went into Southgate yesterday and I know they have stock of the 16GB iPhone 5S in white. Seemed to have a big shipment over the weekend of others too. Annoyingly I have to wait till Thursday for mine to arrive after ordering it online directly from Apple 3 weeks ago!

Yeah I like the Bath store. I get all my apple stuff from Bath. Got my Air from there on launch day

 

[d123]

I live in the UK, but I had to import my silver 5s from the US. The EU model is disgraceful for LTE support. I don't know why we have poor LTE support for our model.

What are you on about?

The UK issued 5s covers virtually every LTE band used other than niche bands used only in the US.

By buying the US model you now are missing 2600 MHz, which will give you problems when the networks roll out 2600 MHz in urban areas (so expect congestion and black spots that you wouldn't have on a UK 5s).

I would have to say, for European use, buying a US model is pretty silly.

The international bands are 800 MHz, 1800 MHz and 2600 MHz. Which is missing?

 

[Hustler1337]

Hi guys,

What's availability like of the iPhone 5S (Space Grey, 32GB) in the Regent St/ Stratford Apple stores? CAN i just walk in and get one? Don't really want to wait the 2-3 weeks dispatch when buying online.

Thanks!

 

[d123]

Hi guys,

What's availability like of the iPhone 5S (Space Grey, 32GB) in the Regent St/ Stratford Apple stores? CAN i just walk in and get one? Don't really want to wait the 2-3 weeks dispatch when buying online.

Thanks!

As I understand, you still need to line up before the store opens if you want to get one, you might be lucky and find one in stock if you were to go in during the day and were open to what colour and capacity you could get, but stock isn't just available to walk in and get one.

 

[Bazooka-joe]

As I understand, you still need to line up before the store opens if you want to get one, you might be lucky and find one in stock if you were to go in during the day and were open to what colour and capacity you could get, but stock isn't just available to walk in and get one.

Its not really worth queuing up first thing in the morning as the stores don't always get deliveries until around lunchtime and even then they don't know what has come in until they check the delivery.

It better to give them a call after lunch time and see what they have

 

[Manatlt]

What are you on about?

The UK issued 5s covers virtually every LTE band used other than niche bands used only in the US.

By buying the US model you now are missing 2600 MHz, which will give you problems when the networks roll out 2600 MHz in urban areas (so expect congestion and black spots that you wouldn't have on a UK 5s).

I would have to say, for European use, buying a US model is pretty silly.

The international bands are 800 MHz, 1800 MHz and 2600 MHz. Which is missing?

I use O2, and I don't live in shadowy areas. The US model supports O2's band for 4GLTE.

In fact, the US model supports all current bands the UK networks are using, plus I get to use the bands in the US as I travel there almost every year.

Go to the US with a UK 5s and see how BAD the coverage you'll get, especially with T-Mobile US since Band 4 (AWS) is not supported in the EU model (I know, I tried last August with a UK iPhone 5 - keep getting No Service to EDGE in many areas).


The US model has all bands the EU model supports except one which is the 2600MHz, which is not used for 4G in the UK yet.

EDIT: So me buying a US model isn't silly. Besides, what's funny that I paid less to get the 5s from the US then to buy one here in the UK AND it has less LTE support.

EDIT 2: In Europe outside the UK, most countries use 1800MHz and 2600MHz and while my 5s doesn't support 2600MHz, it supports the other.

 

[xdustydreamx]

I use O2, and I don't live in shadowy areas. The US model supports O2's band for 4GLTE.

In fact, the US model supports all current bands the UK networks are using, plus I get to use the bands in the US as I travel there almost every year.

Go to the US with a UK 5s and see how BAD the coverage you'll get, especially with T-Mobile US since Band 4 (AWS) is not supported in the EU model (I know, I tried last August with a UK iPhone 5 - keep getting No Service to EDGE in many areas).


The US model has all bands the EU model supports except one which is the 2600MHz, which is not used for 4G in the UK yet.

EDIT: So me buying a US model isn't silly. Besides, what's funny that I paid less to get the 5s from the US then to buy one here in the UK AND it has less LTE support.

EDIT 2: In Europe outside the UK, most countries use 1800MHz and 2600MHz and while my 5s doesn't support 2600MHz, it supports the other.

The UK 5s will support O2s network. O2 4G is UK only so you will use 3G when roaming in the US anyway. When roaming in the US you will use AT&T or T Mobile network both using band 2 and both supported by UK iPhone. Good that you saved money though.

 

[d123]

I use O2, and I don't live in shadowy areas. The US model supports O2's band for 4GLTE.

In fact, the US model supports all current bands the UK networks are using, plus I get to use the bands in the US as I travel there almost every year.

The US model has all bands the EU model supports except one which is the 2600MHz, which is not used for 4G in the UK yet.

EDIT: So me buying a US model isn't silly. Besides, what's funny that I paid less to get the 5s from the US then to buy one here in the UK AND it has less LTE support.

EDIT 2: In Europe outside the UK, most countries use 1800MHz and 2600MHz and while my 5s doesn't support 2600MHz, it supports the other.

Let's answer your points, which are slightly better made than your original hysterical "EU model is disgraceful" nonsense.

I presume you just assumed that a longer list of LTE bands looked cool without realising most of them omitted were useless anywhere but the USA.

The 2 official European bands for LTE are 800 MHz and 2600 MHz, 1800 MHz was a stopgap that the authorities allowed to be reframed.

2600 MHz is in use and will be spread across the country (and continent) pretty quickly.

You still don't get it, and all your blustering to try and justify your flawed reasoning fails, for anywhere but the USA, the model you bought has less, not more LTE support.

Your comment about the EU models LTE being "disgraceful" just shows you didn't actually have reasonable knowledge of the bands in use, enjoy your 5s, just stop pretending you bought something to give you an LTE advantage, it might be cheaper but it is a poorer alternative than if you bought the proper Euro model.

Well done, you saved money, but lost capability.

 

[Manatlt]

The UK 5s will support O2s network. O2 4G is UK only so you will use 3G when roaming in the US anyway. When roaming in the US you will use AT&T or T Mobile network both using band 2 and both supported by UK iPhone. Good that you saved money though.

I will not be roaming when I use a T-Mobile US sim on my 5s. So I will get LTE with T-Mobile US while UK 5s'es will not, even if they change their SIM in the US.

Let's answer your points, which are slightly better made than your original hysterical "EU model is disgraceful" nonsense.

I presume you just assumed that a longer list of LTE bands looked cool without realising most of them omitted were useless anywhere but the USA.

The 2 official European bands for LTE are 800 MHz and 2600 MHz, 1800 MHz was a stopgap that the authorities allowed to be reframed.

2600 MHz is in use and will be spread across the country (and continent) pretty quickly.

You still don't get it, and all your blustering to try and justify your flawed reasoning fails, for anywhere but the USA, the model you bought has less, not more LTE support.

Your comment about the EU models LTE being "disgraceful" just shows you didn't actually have reasonable knowledge of the bands in use, enjoy your 5s, just stop pretending you bought something to give you an LTE advantage, it might be cheaper but it is a poorer alternative than if you bought the proper Euro model.

Well done, you saved money, but lost capability.

LOL. Silly guy. Lost capability? Explain how I'm getting 4G with O2 on my phone then? I guess it's "magic" right?

You clearly don't know anything. I did not lose capability apart from losing band 7, which I am ok with that since O2 or ANY UK networks don't use that band yet. And when they do, they are not going to trash away their current bands.

Unless I'm going to live somewhere like Spain or even bother to buy a SIM and get LTE from another EU country, the Euro model is worse for me. The US model works fine for the UK and I can get LTE with it here, while the Euro model can't do the reverse.

Don't get all salty.

The international bands are 800 MHz, 1800 MHz and 2600 MHz. Which is missing?

1900 MHz is the 3rd international band, not 2600 MHz which EVERY model has. Stop making crap up.

 

[d123]

LOL. Silly guy. Lost capability? Explain how I'm getting 4G with O2 on my phone then? I guess it's "magic" right?

You clearly don't know anything. I did not lose capability apart from losing band 7, which I am ok with that since O2 or ANY UK networks don't use that band yet. And when they do, they are not going to trash away their current bands.

Unless I'm going to live somewhere like Spain or even bother to buy a SIM and get LTE from another EU country, the Euro model is worse for me. The US model works fine for the UK and I can get LTE with it here, while the Euro model can't do the reverse.

Don't get all salty.


1900 MHz is the 3rd international band, not 2600 MHz which EVERY model has. Stop making crap up.

You come over like an ignorant tool are you aware of that?

I'm hoping my boss doesn't realise I "clearly don't know anything" and am "making crap up" when I happen to work in the industry.

I suppose you get to read "Mobile Choice" on your break from stacking the shelves?

Maybe you should stop acting like an ignorant anus and try and learn something, LTE 1900 MHz is another Americas special, THERE ISNT A SINGLE EUROPEAN NETWORK UTILISING IT, the agreed international bands are 800 and 2600, with 1800 becoming the third de facto band.

Networks in the UK are utilising 2600, O2 is not the only LTE network, there are others.

I'll try again, not having 2600 is a loss of capability in the UK, it is a loss of capability in Europe, it is a loss of capability in Asia, it is a loss of capability in the Middle East, it is a loss of capability in Australia and New Zealand and it will be a loss of capability in parts of Africa.

Now, do everyone a favour and go back to your village, they need you back because every village has someone like you....

 

[Manatlt]

You come over like an ignorant tool are you aware of that?

I'm hoping my boss doesn't realise I "clearly don't know anything" and am "making crap up" when I happen to work in the industry.

I suppose you get to read "Mobile Choice" on your break from stacking the shelves?

Maybe you should stop acting like an ignorant anus and try and learn something, LTE 1900 MHz is another Americas special, THERE ISNT A SINGLE EUROPEAN NETWORK UTILISING IT, the agreed international bands are 800 and 2600, with 1800 becoming the third de facto band.

Networks in the UK are utilising 2600, O2 is not the only LTE network, there are others.

I'll try again, not having 2600 is a loss of capability in the UK, it is a loss of capability in Europe, it is a loss of capability in Asia, it is a loss of capability in the Middle East, it is a loss of capability in Australia and New Zealand and it will be a loss of capability in parts of Africa.

Now, do everyone a favour and go back to your village, they need you back because every village has someone like you....

Haha, what a tool.

http://www.gsmarena.com/network-bands.php3

Where is your 2600 MHz? Where in most of these countries? Again, stop making crap up with 2600 MHz being the 3rd international band.

Oh and source? Do you have any evidence to support your statement that 2600 MHz is the 3rd international band?

Because MOST mobile phones support 850/900, 1800 and 1900 MHz bands. I can't think of a high-end or even a MID RANGE phone that doesn't support these bands.

Let me break it down.

I'll try again, not having 2600 is a loss of capability in the UK

Well yeah obviously. 2600 MHz is not used for LTE yet here in the UK but go on...

it is a loss of capability in Europe

Don't care, even though most networks also use band 3 (1800 MHz) as well as 2600 MHz...but I don't care as I don't frequently go to any of the EU countries. But hands up, band 7 (2600 MHz) is quite dominated in EU, but again - I live in the UK, O2's 4G LTE works on my US model phone...and I expect this phone to work on Vodafone's, 3's and EE's too.

it is a loss of capability in Asia

Funny, Japan does NOT use band 7. And this is the only country I would want to visit in Asia at the moment.

And most of Asian networks use band 3 more than band 7 dumbass.

it is a loss of capability in the Middle East

Same as Asia, but band 3 here is dominated over band 7.

it is a loss of capability in Australia and New Zealand

Australia isn't currently using band 7, they are using band 3. And only ONE network in New Zealand is going to use band 7, while the rest are using band 3 and 28 (which no iPhone model supports). Research, idiot.

and it will be a loss of capability in parts of Africa.

Only iBurst from Africa is using band 7 for LTE. The rest are using 1, 3, 20, 40 and 42. And band 3 is the most used, while Nigeria currently uses only band 20 and 40.

For someone who claims to know a lot of mobile phone knowledge...

EDIT: Bottom line is, while I may see some "patchy" areas of no LTE in these countries (and I will get LTE in these countries with this phone, just not as good as a UK/EU one would have), the EU model has no support what so ever for ANY of America or Canada's LTE. And no America and Canada is a pretty big thing if you ask me.

 

[krspkbl]

Hopefully going to get my iPhone today!

Still torn between the 5S (16gb/space grey) or the 5C (16gb/white).

 

[jr866gooner]

UK iPhone 5s and 5c Thread

There is nothing wrong with either, 5c is obviously a little cheaper, with the money saved it could go towards a case! I love my 5c!

You can prob get a 32gb 5c for the price of a 16gb 5s...

 

[d123]

Haha, what a tool.

http://www.gsmarena.com/network-bands.php3

Where is your 2600 MHz? Where in most of these countries? Again, stop making crap up with 2600 MHz being the 3rd international band.

European networks with 2600MHz

Mobitel (Telekom Slovenije) Slovenia 2600 7
COTA Spain 2600 38
Euskaltel Spain 2600 7
Jazztel Spain 2600 7
Movistar España Spain 2600 7
ONO Spain 2600 7
Orange España Spain 2600 7
R Spain 2600 7
Telecable de Asturias SAU Spain 2600 7
Telecom Castilla La Mancha Spain 2600 7
Vodafone Spain Spain 2600 7
3 Sweden Sweden 2600 7
3 Sweden Sweden 2600 38
Net4Mobility Sweden 2600 7
Telia Sweden Sweden 2600 7
Orange Switzerland Switzerland 2600 7
Sunrise Switzerland 2600 7
Swisscom Switzerland 2600 7
EE UK. United Kingdom 2600 7
Vodafone UK United Kingdom 2600 7

Asia

China Mobile China 2600 38
China Mobile Hong Kong Hong Kong 2600 7
CSL Hong Kong 2600 7
3 Hong Kong Hong Kong 2600 7
PCCW Hong Kong 2600 7
JSC Kcell Kazakhstan 2600 7
Saima Telecom Kyrgyzstan 2600 7
Celcom (Axiata) Malaysia 2600 7
DiGi Malaysia 2600 7
Maxis Malaysia 2600 7
P1 Malaysia 2600 7
REDtone Mobile Services Malaysia 2600 7
U Mobile Malaysia 2600 7
M1 Singapore 2600 7
SingTel Singapore 2600 7]
StarHub Singapore 2600 7
LG U+ South Korea 2600 7
Beeline Uzbekistan Uzbekistan 2600 7
MTS Uzbekistan Uzbekistan 2600 7
UCell Uzbekistan 2600 7
RusViet Telecom Vietnam 2600 7

South America

Claro Brasil Brazil 2600 7
Oi Brazil 2600 7
On Telecom Brazil 2600 38
SKY Brasil Brazil 2600 38
TIM Brasil Brazil 2600 7
Vivo Brazil 2600 7
Claro Chile Chile 2600 7
Entel Chile Chile 2600 7
Movistar Chile Chile 2600 7
Claro Colombia Colombia 2600 7
DirecTV Colombia Colombia 2600 7
DirecTV Colombia Colombia 2600 38
Une-EPM Colombia 2600 7
ICE Celular (Kölbi) Costa Rica 2600 7

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Because MOST mobile phones support 850/900, 1800 and 1900 MHz bands. I can't think of a high-end or even a MID RANGE phone that doesn't support these bands.

WORLDWIDE 1900MHz LTE outside North America

China Mobile China 1900 39
BTL Belize 1900 2
Personal Paraguay Paraguay 1900 2
Movilnet Venezuela 1900 2
Movistar Venezuela Venezuela 1900 2

Very much an international standard there? Or not.

let's face it, your original post was idiotic and childish. There is nothing "disgraceful" about the LTE on the Euro iPhone 5s, whilst I presume you feel foolish for making such a stupid comment you cannot hide by trying to argue semantics.

This must rank as one of the most technically ignorant posts in this forum:

I live in the UK, but I had to import my silver 5s from the US. The EU model is disgraceful for LTE support. I don't know why we have poor LTE support for our model.

To be honest Manatit, you live up to your user name, but the way you act, Boyatit is probably even more accurate.

 

[smr]

Hopefully going to get my iPhone today!

Still torn between the 5S (16gb/space grey) or the 5C (16gb/white).

I assume you will be buying from an Apple Store?

If so please report back how you get on (i.e. which store/s you try and what stock they have).

 

[hawky525]

I had my 32gb grey model delivered yesterday.
Not happy with it for three reasons:
- the lock button rattles really badly
- the side casing had a dent in it from out of the box
- the vibrate motor sounded terrible, it rattled the whole body (but sounded sort of weedy at the same time?!?)

Has anyone else encountered the above?
I've setup a return and ordered a silver model, hopefully the next unit is better!
But it means waiting another 3 weeks without a decent phone.

 

[krspkbl]

I assume you will be buying from an Apple Store?

If so please report back how you get on (i.e. which store/s you try and what stock they have).

Just back from my local Apple Store (Buchanan Street, Glasgow). My first choice was the iPhone 5S, 16GB in Space Grey but they had none in stock but I was told that they had some of the 32/64GB models in stock.

I ended up leaving with an iPhone 5C, 16GB in White

 

[smr]

I had my 32gb grey model delivered yesterday.
Not happy with it for three reasons:
- the lock button rattles really badly
- the side casing had a dent in it from out of the box
- the vibrate motor sounded terrible, it rattled the whole body (but sounded sort of weedy at the same time?!?)

Has anyone else encountered the above?
I've setup a return and ordered a silver model, hopefully the next unit is better!
But it means waiting another 3 weeks without a decent phone.

I think the rattling sleep/wake button is common (my first one had it), and others have complained over the vibrate (perhaps it sounds bad because the sleep/wake button rattles? Mine sounded OK when in the Apple Leather case as it stopped the rattle.)

There should not be any dents.

On the bright side I now have some company at the back of the queue! My 64GB Space Grey was ordered 31 Oct:

Processing Items Dispatched: 2 - 3 weeks
Delivery: 22 Nov, 2013 - 28 Nov, 2013 by Standard Shipping

 

[gCloud]

I had my 32gb grey model delivered yesterday.
Not happy with it for three reasons:
- the lock button rattles really badly
- the side casing had a dent in it from out of the box
- the vibrate motor sounded terrible, it rattled the whole body (but sounded sort of weedy at the same time?!?)

Has anyone else encountered the above?
I've setup a return and ordered a silver model, hopefully the next unit is better!
But it means waiting another 3 weeks without a decent phone.

It seems that the rattling sleep button is common on a lot of iPhone 5s's.
What factory/week is your phone?

 

[smr]

Just back from my local Apple Store (Buchanan Street, Glasgow). My first choice was the iPhone 5S, 16GB in Space Grey but they had none in stock but I was told that they had some of the 32/64GB models in stock.

I ended up leaving with an iPhone 5C, 16GB in White

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear you couldn't get your first choice, but I'm sure your 5C will be great (and you saved some money).

 

[derbyshire2013]

I've gone ahead today and ordered an iPhone 5s 64GB in Silver.

I know a chap who works for Vodafone and he's gotten me 30% discount meaning (subject to RPI increases and overage) I'll be paying £43.40 a month instead of £62.00 on a year's agreement.

I'm currently on EE paying £41 a month for 8GB SIMO, for £2.40 a month more I'll get an extra 4GB of cellular data PLUS Spotify Premium so I hope it's worth it.

 

[krspkbl]

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear you couldn't get your first choice, but I'm sure your 5C will be great (and you saved some money).

Not a problem I'm not that disappointed to be honest, I'm loving the 5C! and yeah, it's always nice to save a bit of money.

 

[Manatlt]

European networks with 2600MHz

European networks with 1800 MHz

3 Denmark
1800 3
3 Italy
1800 3
3 UK
1800 3
Aero2 / Mobyland / CenterNet
1800 3
Azercell
1800 3
BASE
1800 3
Bouygues
1800 3
Cosmote
1800 3
Cosmote Romania
1800 3
Deutsche Telekom
1800 3
DNA
1800 3
E-Plus
1800 3
EE
1800 3
Eircom (Meteor & Emobile)
1800 3
Elisa
1800 3
Elisa Eesti
1800 3
EMT
1800 3
KPN
1800 3
M-Tel
1800 3
Magyar Telekom
1800 3
Max Telecom
1800 3
Mobistar
1800 3
Mobitel (Telekom Slovenije)
1800 3
Netcom (TeliaSonera)
1800 3
Nova
1800 3
Omnitel (TeliaSonera)
1800 3
One / Cosmofon
1800 3
Optimus
1800 3
Orange España
1800 3
Orange Luxembourg
1800 3
Orange Romania
1800 3
Orange Switzerland
1800 3
Play / P4
1800 3
Polkomtel / Plus
1800 3
Proximus
1800 3
Si.mobil
1800 3
Sonera
1800 3
Sunrise
1800 3
Swisscom
1800 3
T-Hrvatski Telekom
1800 3
T-Mobile Czech Republic
1800 3
T-Mobile Macedonia
1800 3
T-Mobile Netherlands
1800 3
T-Mobile Poland / Polska Telefonia Cyfrowa
1800 3
Tango
1800 3
Tele2 Estonia
1800 3
Tele2 Russia
1800 3
Telefónica O2 Czech Republic
1800 3
Telefónica O2 Slovakia
1800 3
Telenor Hungary
1800 3
Telenor Norge
1800 3
Telia Denmark
1800 3
Telia Latvia / LMT
1800 3
Telia Sweden
1800 3
TIM
1800 3
TMN (Portugal Telecom)
1800 3
Vipnet
1800 3
Vivacom
1800 3
Vodafone Czech Republic
1800 3
Vodafone Greece
1800 3
Vodafone Iceland (Fjarskipti)
1800 3
Vodafone Italy
1800 3
Vodafone Netherlands
1800 3
Vodafone Portugal
1800 3
Vodafone Romania
1800 3
Vodafone Spain
1800 3
Yoigo
1800 3

Band 3 wins over Band 7. And while Vodafone UK and EE UK are "planning" to put 2600 MHz, this will not be their main band for LTE.

So I will still get LTE with this phone in EU, just not with some band 7 antennas.


Asia

China Unicom
2100 1
KDDI
2100 1
NTT Docomo (Xi)
2100 1
SoftBank Mobile
2100 1
Smart
2100 1
LG U+
2100 1
Etisalat
2100 1
Babilon Mobile
2100 1
TrueMove-H
2100 1
China Telecom
1800 3
China Mobile Hong Kong
1800 3
CSL
1800 3
3 Hong Kong
1800 3
PCCW
1800 3
Smartone
1800 3
Videocon
1800 3
XL Axiata
1800 3
Indosat / Ooredoo
1800 3
NTT Docomo (Xi)
1800 3
KazakhTelecom (Altel)
1800 3
Celcom (Axiata)
1800 3
Maxis
1800 3
Globe Telecom
1800 3
Smart
1800 3
M1
1800 3
SingTel
1800 3
StarHub
1800 3
KT Corporation
1800 3
SK Telecom
1800 3
Dialog (Mobile)
1800 3
Mobitel
1800 3
Babilon Mobile
1800 3
DTAC
1800 3

Every Asian country that has LTE has band 1 or 3 support and again, my phone supports that.

South America

LOL. YOU USED SOUTH AMERICA.

South America with Band 4 Networks

Movistar Argentina
1700 4
Avantel Colombia
1700 4
TIGO Colombia / ETB
1700 4
Movistar Colombia
1700 4
Claro Ecuador
1700 4
CNT Movil
1700 4
Copaco (Vox)
1700 4
Americatel Peru
1700 4
Movistar Peru
1700 4
Ancel
1700 4
Claro Uruguay
1700 4

Good luck trying to get LTE in Peru, Uruguay, Ecuador and Paraguay. Downside for me though is that I won't get LTE in Brazil or Chile while you can.

WORLDWIDE 1900MHz LTE outside North America

Fair enough. Even North America themselves doesn't use 1900MHz for LTE. Still, that doesn't change the fact that most cell phones have 1900MHz support over 2600MHz.


LIST OF USA and Canada's LTE networks that the EU model supports

None, requires band 4 for AT&T, T-Mobile and most US/Canada networks or you need to buy a Verizon iPhone to use the Verizon network or you need to buy a Sprint iPhone to use the Sprint network.

A HUGE slice of the world, cut out. Don't ignore the huge flaw that the EU model has. Don't look at America/Canada as one small continent idiot.

let's face it, your original post was idiotic and childish. There is nothing "disgraceful" about the LTE on the Euro iPhone 5s, whilst I presume you feel foolish for making such a stupid comment you cannot hide by trying to argue semantics.

I standby my comment, although disgraceful was a harsh word to use. Euro iPhone 5s should have some support for the America/Canada's LTE. If they added band 4 to the EU model, then the EU model is superior.

But they didn't. I can go almost everywhere in the world with this phone and use LTE using their band 3 antennas. It's just that I'll be seeing more of No Service or 3G/EDGE against a EU 5s.

Having zilch LTE support for America is bad. Very bad. It's like you have to buy a second phone for use in the USA because your EU model lost out on band 4, which AT&T uses for LTE and T-Mobile strongly uses band 4 for most of their service, so you'll be seeing a lot of No Service from them.


Get off your high horse dumbass and research before you talk.