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I didn't post those particular icons nor are they the ones I referred to. You've ignored packaging though, no comment there?

The packaging is similar. But pointing to one aspect of something and making a general comment that Samsung copies everything Apple is doing is just wrong. I'm not suggesting you said that verbatim or close. But that's the overall mentality of many on here. It's a ridiculous notion.

It's like pointing to Apple's notifications now and saying that everything Apple does is a rip off of Android.
 
Since you insist on pressing the point, I'll do you the honor of responding, one more time.



No one has pointed to any evidence that Gorilla Glass was "this way" prior to Apple. In fact, in light of Unlink's post, we know the iPhone was the first to use Gorilla Glass, since it's predecessor is not Gorilla Glass, strictly speaking. There was no Corning Gorilla Glass in any electronic device prior to Apple. That's a fact no one has refuted as of yet. And that is the only thing I was talking about.

Since Corning claim they came up with the glass in 2006 is it not possible they might have actually tried to sell it to a range of mobile makers, it just so happened that apple had a phone coming out around that time so bought it, other also bought into it for there future releases.
Meaning Corning actually sold it and marketed it to phone companies apple didn't go to them
 
continued.... Samsung the Korean copycats
Hmmm....

iwork....

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WordPerfect

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Lotus 123

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Presenter -1987, bought by MS and turned into Powerpoint

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and Powerpoint

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Do not confuse platform with UI.

The android platform was in fact designed to be cross platform. It's hardware inedependant and where there's conflict, Android being an open source platform can be modified to work.

They are all, however, Deep inside, Still android, despite the different UI.

That's very convenient that Android can mean so many things to some people, you can always say one particular piece matches some particular characteristic you want, without concerning yourself with the whole thing.

But hey if it needs to be modified (like it did between ARM and x86) it's not really hardware independent is it...
 
Insane, on so many levels.

1. Only a judge - and I mean that in the most derogatory terms possible - could rule that Samsung's tablet did not copy the iPad. Even Samsung's own legal team couldn't tell the difference in court. The judges on circuit are completely unqualified to make judgements like these.

2. There is no way Apple will place that notice on their website - at least nowhere highly visible. There is no way that a company can be compelled to advertise a competitor's product: Apple will contest it and it will be thrown out. European courts - usually the pinnacle of insanity - would even laugh it off as bonkers, and technically illegal under competition law (no organisation can be compelled to act against its own interests unless it has broken the law itself).

3. They absolutely should run the 'kinda like an iPad, but nowhere near as cool' posters all over everywhere... just for kicks.

I'm as tired of all this legal crap as anyone else - but I cannot see how it can be even vaguely possible for someone to copy a product as blatantly as this and in any way get away with it. Our legal system is fundamentally broken, and this is just another example. Why should anyone invest in R&D if their competitors can just rip off what they do?
 
But when he said that Samsung's device wasn't as cool as Apple- he was the best judge ever?

Actually the comment 'not as cool' came off as sarcastic and biased to me. So the following ruling was not surprising coming from him rubbing it in on Apple as he puts a nail in them.

Now, what I find Odd, is that he's trying to repair the reputation of Samsungs because of Apple's assertion of them copying, Which is TRUE based on USA rulings, as Samsung was found to have copied the Galaxy Tab 10 and got them pulled from the shelves.. This is being appealed, yea, but still....

How does this work now, when one country court system says yes, but another says no?

To me this has a much larger scope telling others that if you tried to defend your IP from copying, be warned a judge may very well force you to make some public declaration and embarrass you for trying.

It would be different if Apple was actively advertising that Samsung was copying, but instead they sued because they wanted to prove it leagally first. This is screwed up..
 
1. Only a judge - and I mean that in the most derogatory terms possible - could rule that Samsung's tablet did not copy the iPad. Even Samsung's own legal team couldn't tell the difference in court. The judges on circuit are completely unqualified to make judgements like these.

2. There is no way Apple will place that notice on their website - at least nowhere highly visible. There is no way that a company can be compelled to advertise a competitor's product: Apple will contest it and it will be thrown out. European courts - usually the pinnacle of insanity - would even laugh it off as bonkers, and technically illegal under competition law (no organisation can be compelled to act against its own interests unless it has broken the law itself).

3. They absolutely should run the 'kinda like an iPad, but nowhere near as cool' posters all over everywhere... just for kicks.

I'm as tired of all this legal crap as anyone else - but I cannot see how it can be even vaguely possible for someone to copy a product as blatantly as this and in any way get away with it. Our legal system is fundamentally broken, and this is just another example. Why should anyone invest in R&D if their competitors can just rip off what they do?

:D:D:D:D

I like parody
 
Since you insist on pressing the point, I'll do you the honor of responding, one more time.



No one has pointed to any evidence that Gorilla Glass was "this way" prior to Apple. In fact, in light of Unlink's post, we know the iPhone was the first to use Gorilla Glass, since it's predecessor is not Gorilla Glass, strictly speaking. There was no Corning Gorilla Glass in any electronic device prior to Apple. That's a fact no one has refuted as of yet. And that is the only thing I was talking about.



None of that is relevant to what I was discussing. I wasn't talking about the touch screen or the aluminium, or any other feature. Perhaps you have me mistaken with someone else.




I did not. In the post you quoted I uttered two sentences, the second was an expansion and clarification of the first, meaning the interpretation of my utterance that you chose is not a fateful rendition of what I communicated, and since the speaker is the final authority on the meaning of his utterance, to claim that I said something else is to distort my words. If that's your idea of intelligent conversation, you shouldn't expect more replies from me. Additionally, can we please get back on topic now?



Irrelevant to the context of what I was discussing. Take that up with someone else.

What you do is pick-and-choose your own arguments when they support what you say. I quoted you verbatim twice already pointing out you did claim what you deny - you can refute it as many times as you want, won't change it. About Apple using Gorilla Glass first in handhelds, yea, I stated that as well - I believe twice - already, so, nope you can't hang me on that either. The other examples are just enforcing that using something what was there before - and Gorilla Glass was - is not an enforcable protected design choice. That is by the way the reason Apple could come out with the iPhone as well - if not, they would have infringed big time on said prior occurances. You can twist and turn, but your argument rather proves my case than disputes it.
 
How does this work now, when one country court system says yes, but another says no?

There have been no final verdicts ruled in the USA based upon design patents that I am aware of.

The only current injunction in place in the USA is not due to design patent of the tablets, But due to a feature of samsung including "slide to unlock" feature in their phones (which i'll agree is pretty much a copy).

The injunction ruled by the court of california is a preliminary, Pre-trial injunction in place till a trial can actually be held and a final verdict ruled.

Currently, there are no final verdicts by any judges that rule in favour of apple's design patents.
 
1. ONE - not the entire legal TEAM was unable to tell the difference at first glance.

2. Apple will most certainly post the notice on their website if ordered to do so. Are you familiar with international laws? Further - that's a price you pay when you enter into a courtroom. Sometimes you win - sometimes you lose.

3. Running that as a tag line would make them look immature in an ad and would go against their respected image. Only the most ardent fans of Apple would think it was cool. The rest of the general public would think is was ridiculous. As it is.

4. The courts aren't broken in this area. The patent system is.

1. Only a judge - and I mean that in the most derogatory terms possible - could rule that Samsung's tablet did not copy the iPad. Even Samsung's own legal team couldn't tell the difference in court. The judges on circuit are completely unqualified to make judgements like these.

2. There is no way Apple will place that notice on their website - at least nowhere highly visible. There is no way that a company can be compelled to advertise a competitor's product: Apple will contest it and it will be thrown out. European courts - usually the pinnacle of insanity - would even laugh it off as bonkers, and technically illegal under competition law (no organisation can be compelled to act against its own interests unless it has broken the law itself).

3. They absolutely should run the 'kinda like an iPad, but nowhere near as cool' posters all over everywhere... just for kicks.

I'm as tired of all this legal crap as anyone else - but I cannot see how it can be even vaguely possible for someone to copy a product as blatantly as this and in any way get away with it. Our legal system is fundamentally broken, and this is just another example. Why should anyone invest in R&D if their competitors can just rip off what they do?
 
Is it just me or do none of these look alike?

w00master

I thought they looked "as alike" or "more alike" than the Samsung icons.

Certainly there is a huge possibility set of how to design icons. So given this...

Apple does copy the color schemes of blue, green and orange for the icons, as used by Novell, Corel and imitated by MS.

Apple uses the quill, first seen in WordPerfect.

The bar chart from Lotus 1-2-3.

The wood and podium from presentations.

Never mind that they are designed as three separate apps and they don't need to be (i.e. remember Microsoft Works).

So I'm just saying, you can stretch Apple just as much as you can stretch Samsung.
 
The packaging is similar. But pointing to one aspect of something and making a general comment that Samsung copies everything Apple is doing is just wrong. I'm not suggesting you said that verbatim or close. But that's the overall mentality of many on here. It's a ridiculous notion.

It's like pointing to Apple's notifications now and saying that everything Apple does is a rip off of Android.

I agree, in fact that's been my point in the entire discussion, you can't point to or dismiss just one thing.

Those icons, for instance, they may not be exact copies - they don't have rounded edges, they are slight shades different. But when you define them with words, it's impossible to not realize you're describing the same thing. If you're trying to disprove this it's very easy to leave conventional wisdom behind and make statements like "They look nothing alike".

I think Apple ripped off Android with notifications...I also think Android ripped of WebOS for those same notifications...and I think that was Apple's justification for doing so. They'll both get sued over it, and they both deserve to be.

Samsung doesn't just follow Apple, they just follow, period. And that's fine...it's when people try to deny that and give them some sort of credit as an innovator that disgusts me.
 
Can you show those videos and point to the differences between the pre iPhone and post iPhone?

http://9to5google.com/2012/05/05/2007s-pre-m3-version-of-android-the-google-sooner/

I don't think I need to point out the changes... but if you watch the video, there's a clear change that happened. This video **was not** released at the time of its creation, from my understanding.

I think it was posted on MR a while back, too... just as an interesting piece of development.
 
My only comment is that they aren't mutually exclusive.

You can innovate and follow at the same time.

I agree, in fact that's been my point in the entire discussion, you can't point to or dismiss just one thing.

Those icons, for instance, they may not be exact copies - they don't have rounded edges, they are slight shades different. But when you define them with words, it's impossible to not realize you're describing the same thing. If you're trying to disprove this it's very easy to leave conventional wisdom behind and make statements like "They look nothing alike".

I think Apple ripped off Android with notifications...I also think Android ripped of WebOS for those same notifications...and I think that was Apple's justification for doing so. They'll both get sued over it, and they both deserve to be.

Samsung doesn't just follow Apple, they just follow, period. And that's fine...it's when people try to deny that and give them some sort of credit as an innovator that disgusts me.

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You missed something in your quote, I was mocking the original.
 
the funny thing in this picture, is that the USB for samsung is better than Apple's, do you see the rubber at the end of the cable its longer in Samsung's which prevent this annoying problem ( i have both products so i know ):
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No wonder those cables broke. Look at them- they are beat to hell. Dirty, mangled... treated poorly. When you treat electronic devices and accessories (including cables) like that, expect them to break. This is why some people can't have nice things.

Ih ave been using Apple made dock cables since the original iPod and use several for our three different iPhones in the house. I have always used a reasonable amount of care with them and have never, EVER had one break or come apart. Not once. I have been using the same cables that came with the devices. Never had to repurchase one.
 
I think Apple ripped off Android with notifications...I also think Android ripped of WebOS for those same notifications...and I think that was Apple's justification for doing so. They'll both get sued over it, and they both deserve to be.

Umh... Android notifications came before WebOs was announced?

Unless you meant the cards on ICS...
 
I can also do this:

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WHAT? you mean that there were tablets that existed before the ipad? that were also just nothing more than a black bezel and a touch screen?

no way, those companies must have travelled in time and copied apples invention of a touch enabled handheld tablets!

Also, Apple of course made microarchitectures and ivnent the technology inside the ipad completely 100% on their own, so nobody else in the world should ever be able to shrink their devices thickness either. Shirinking their devices obviously means that they're copying apple. It has nothing to do with technological advancements by any other company in the world.

heck, i bet if Apple hadn't come along, computers would still look like this!
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You still clearly said that Gorilla Glass is Apple... That statement alone is plainly false.

Yea, and he refuted that when I pointed it out. Then he told me "I took his post out of context" which he did with your post, but hey, we are measured at a higher standard, apperently. (I quoted his whoe post, so much about out of context) :cool:

Arguments are only valid if they play in his favor. That's just how it rolls.
 
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