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I like this ruling. I have nearly the whole Apple ecosystem of devices and love their products, but I'm not necessarily a fan of the company or any international multibillion dollar corporation for that matter. The way I see it Samsung didn't truly infringe on Apple's patent, and more often then not these types of lawsuits are just used to gain more control over the market. I'm glad Apple is being forced to make an ass of their selves and this should serve as an example to all company's who misuse the courts. To be clear I would feel this way if it were Samsung in the same situation.
 
I like this ruling. I have nearly the whole Apple ecosystem of devices and love their products, but I'm not necessarily a fan of the company or any international multibillion dollar corporation for that matter. The way I see it Samsung didn't truly infringe on Apple's patent, and more often then not these types of lawsuits are just used to gain more control over the market. I'm glad Apple is being forced to make an ass of their selves and this should serve as an example to all company's who misuse the courts. To be clear I would feel this way if it were Samsung in the same situation.

Well said,

Love the products, not the company. People here show to much love for a corporation that only wants your money...
 
Maybe you hate just Samsung, but you've sure proven that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. How could anyone with any experience in this industry forget that the Palm Pre came out well after Android?

What in the world makes you think I'd "forgotten" that? And what is "proving" that you know what the hell you're talking about anyway?
 
There is no evidence for that, but there is evidence to back up the idea that it's because of Jobs' initiative that Gorilla Glass was introduced to the market.


Might be wrong but didn't jobs say in the book that he was approached by his friend who was on the board at Corning and told to speak to a guy at Corning who was running the LCD display division ?
 
Yea, and he refuted that when I pointed it out. Then he told me "I took his post out of context" which he did with your post, but hey, we are measured at a higher standard, apperently. (I quoted his whoe post, so much about out of context) :cool:

Arguments are only valid if they play in his favor. That's just how it rolls.

Ok since you struggle with reading comprehension, let me spell it out for you so that you get the entire context. I initially said:

JohnDoe98 said:
The question isn't if others are allowed to use it, the question is who copied who. Prior to Jobs' deal with Corning in 2006, the Gorilla Glass had been unused in any portable electronic device. It was developed in the 60s and used in only two different racing car models. Apple brought Gorilla Glass to the market, and then everyone jumped on it. If that's not a clear cut case of copying I don't know what is.

That doesn't mean Samsung or others did anything wrong, sometimes, you need to copy to innovate, but that's quite besides the point. The post you responding to asked to show how the glass case isn't an instance of blatant copying.

I then added:

JohnDoe98 said:
That's besides the point. Corning's glass was non-existent in the market until Apple introduced it. Apple didn't feel the need to advertise their deal with Corning whereas everyone else did, trying to take credit for the work Apple did by advertising they were using top of the line glass. That's shameless.

Then someone replied saying:

Corning Gorilla Glass is not Apple

Now, no one ever claimed Corning was a subsidiary of Apple, no one made that mistake, and so the only way that the comment I just quoted can make sense is if we interpret it to mean this:

Corning Gorilla Glass is not Apple's innovation

Well, my reply was:

JohnDoe98 said:
Yes it is. No consumer product used Gorilla Glass before Apple.

The only sensible interpretation of what I said when embedded in its proper context is that I am disputing that the use of Gorilla Glass is not Apple's innovation. Again, no one ever thought that Apple was manufacturing Gorilla Glass. No one ever thought that Corning was a subdivision of Apple. To attribute those beliefs to me, or to what I said is a rampant display of the worst kind of interpretive charity. It's disingenuous. The only sensible way to interpret my post is to realize I am contesting that Apple wasn't the primary stimulus in bringing Gorilla Glass to the electronic device market.
 
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What in the world makes you think I'd "forgotten" that? And what is "proving" that you know what the hell you're talking about anyway?

"I think Apple ripped off Android with notifications...I also think Android ripped of WebOS for those same notifications...and I think that was Apple's justification for doing so."

Defend yourself. :rolleyes:
 
Then that's plain ridiculous also.

So, if a company's products have repeatedly worked well for you, brand loyalty is now fanboyism. If a company has repeatedly screwed you over, you should merely be ambivalent...not realize that company A is doing something that company B is not...not let that influence your opinion of either company? I think what's plain ridiculous is you trying to tell others that preference is a bad thing.
 
Ok since you struggle with reading comprehension, let me spell it out for you so that you get the entire context. I initially said:



I then added:



Then someone replied saying:



Now, no one ever claimed Corning was a subsidiary of Apple, no one made that mistake, and so the only way that the comment I just quoted can make sense is if we interpret it to mean this:

Corning Gorilla Glass is not Apple's innovation

Well, my reply was:



The only sensible interpretation of what I said when embedded in its proper context is that I am disputing that the use of Gorilla Glass is not Apple's innovation. Again, no one ever thought that Apple was manufacturing Gorilla Glass. No one ever thought that Corning was a subdivision of Apple. To attribute those beliefs to me, or to what I said is a rampant display of the worst kind of interpretive charity. It's disingenuous. The only sensible way to interpret my post is to realize I am contesting that Apple wasn't the primary stimulus in bringing Gorilla Glass to the electronic device market.

But based on this interpretation, Just because apple was first to use someone elses technology, this would give apple some form of leverage to say "we were first to us it, so no one else can use it in a phone".

based on the same argument. (company names are used for example, may not be entirely factual)

Kleenex was the first company to take soft tissue paper and wipe your nose with it. Therefore, no other company can release a product that uses soft tissue paper to wipe your nose.

Ford was the first company to take an engine from another source, put it in a car to make the horseless carriage, therefore, no other makers of horseless carriages who used any other means of propulsion can now use an engine from another source to make their horseless carriage.

we can also further go on to say, that Apple themselves were not the first company to use glass as part of a display. Therefore, apple using glass as part of their display on the iphone itself was also a copy of an existing strategy.

The fact that Corning designed and came up with Gorilla glass, and sold it to Apple to use in mobile phones, does not mean that they cannot turn around and sell it to any other manufacturer to use in the same fasion. Apple does not hold the patent on Gorilla glass, Nor do they own the patent on using glass front on a display
 
What if I love ALL companies that Samsung competes with so much that I debase just Samsung? Would that change anything? So I can't be a fanboy of one company...can I be a fanboy of all of them? Maybe you should re-examine your approach if you immediately assume anyone who dislikes Samsung sucks on Apple's ****.

Oh, and you didn't answer the question because you don't seem possess reading comprehension.
Come on, everybody can see your Apple fanboyism based on how much you're twisting the truth just to try and make Apple's main competitor look bad. You tried to argue that Samsung hasn't innovated, just copied Apple. That is so ridiculous, it can only come from a fanboy. A few examples of well know innovations. Exynos chip, OLED, high-end HDTV, flagship smartphones, etc. Hate Samsung all you want, but don't deny that they have contributed to the tech world.
 
Please, point them because those screenshot shows that basically Android has had the same foundation from the beginning

..I hope you're being serious and not just playing the "wha? I can't tell anything... i think you people are all nuts" ...

That said, I'm going to assume you honestly have never seen an android or iOS device.

http://androidandme.com/2012/02/dev...droid-4-0-3-build-for-the-verizon-droid-razr/

There's moto's most recent build. The major change that, to me, comes AFTER iOS is the touch-centered design. Gone are the small icons on a tiny PalmOS or Black Berry styled device, and suddenly Android started chasing large screen touch-friendly OS. The browser previewed in the video is rendering the way devices before the iPhone did -- that is, websites are confined to a "mobile" version that's really quite useless.

I haven't owned an android device, but a couple of my close friends owned the moto droids (so I have had a chance to actually use them). I've personally owned Palm systems, as well as Sony's Cliés (multiple versions an models over a number of years), multiple Windows CE devices (about 6 or 7 over a course of years) (ie. pre-windwos phone 7 and 8) ... so I promise I'm not just playing the fan boy game. There is an undeniable change that occurred in the entire industry when the iPhone was introduced and iOS came out. It was the first device of its kind to work right. I can't tell you how frustrating my old pocketPC with a touchscreen was (and I know many people complain about the iPhone... but oh god be thankful the industry didn't go main-stream on the old touch screens).

I never said that Android 'copied' iOS, but I certainly hope you're not trying to say there was no inspiration from the design team on how to implement UI elements. Likewise, Apple certainly took a hint from Android with the notification center, but if I recall Apple hired a programmer / designer who had worked on the Android team responsible with notifications.
 
Before the iPad, tablets sucked.
After the iPad, everyone well... er... copied the iPad.

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I have some issues with that image. Those tablets ran Windows and were essentially a tablet/laptop. That photo is the best example of apples and oranges
 
I like this ruling. I have nearly the whole Apple ecosystem of devices and love their products, but I'm not necessarily a fan of the company or any international multibillion dollar corporation for that matter. The way I see it Samsung didn't truly infringe on Apple's patent, and more often then not these types of lawsuits are just used to gain more control over the market. I'm glad Apple is being forced to make an ass of their selves and this should serve as an example to all company's who misuse the courts. To be clear I would feel this way if it were Samsung in the same situation.

How would you feel if you had an idea for a product and you went to a supplier and told them about the product, then bought parts from them to make said product, and a few months later that same company is producing a product that looks very similar to your product? Say you patented your original idea - would you just shrug your shoulders and say, "well, that's the way it goes"?

This has nothing to do with Apple being a billion dollar corporation - so is Samsung. If you tell me you wouldn't be absolutely pissed at the company for what they did, then you're either lying or you're an angel that forgives other's transgressions against you.
 
Apple maybe should have toned down the media bashing and libel against Samsung if they didn't want to have to do this. You know, wait until a court has decided something before you go make claims of "blatant copying". Look how much it's been picked up by people, now Apple have to undo the damage and injury they caused with their unfounded accusations.

Actually it was blatant copying. I don't know what the beef is that this UK judge has, but both the US and Germany agreed that Samsung infringed. Their accusations are hardly unfounded.
 
Name one technological advancement Samsung has made aside from fabrication. Or is that all you got?

Aaaah - finally found it.

Well - have a look at the new ES8090 and ES7090 TV sets. Those sets offer gesture control, speech control and even face recognition. Oh - did I mention inbuilt AppStore and AllShare?

Guess Apple will have a hard time with their rumored TV set as they have nothing (sic!) that couldn't be considered prior art in TV sets that I can imagine.

And remember - IFA will happen in about a month. Be prepared for some new innovation there...
 
"I think Apple ripped off Android with notifications...I also think Android ripped of WebOS for those same notifications...and I think that was Apple's justification for doing so."

Defend yourself. :rolleyes:

Are rolleyes your signature or something? You're pretty repetitive with that. Or are your eyes just stuck that way?

I was referring to the behavior of the notification drawer which Android eventually nearly mimicked WebOS' behavior after WebOS was revealed (which was not nearly as long after Android as you're eluding to).

As far as defending myself...defend what? My knowledge? I'm not some infallible information machine - I get things wrong like everyone else, and if you're just going to sit on the sidelines and wait for that to happen I guarantee you will catch it. I just have to wonder why you have nothing else to contribute...

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Come on, everybody can see your Apple fanboyism based on how much you're twisting the truth just to try and make Apple's main competitor look bad. You tried to argue that Samsung hasn't innovated, just copied Apple. That is so ridiculous, it can only come from a fanboy. A few examples of well know innovations. Exynos chip, OLED, high-end HDTV, flagship smartphones, etc. Hate Samsung all you want, but don't deny that they have contributed to the tech world.

I'm far from an Apple fanboy...if "everyone" sees that then they need to take off their Apple hating glasses for a little while.

Samsung did not invent any of those things...do you honestly believe that they did? high-end HDTV and flagship smartphones? How can you even define those as inventions - or think that Samsung made either of them first? OLED? Not only did they not invent it, they weren't even close to the first to market with it.

As far as Exynos, perfect example of what Samsung does do - fabrication of the same commoditized technology. They slap a name on it.
 
I like this ruling. I have nearly the whole Apple ecosystem of devices and love their products, but I'm not necessarily a fan of the company or any international multibillion dollar corporation for that matter. The way I see it Samsung didn't truly infringe on Apple's patent, and more often then not these types of lawsuits are just used to gain more control over the market. I'm glad Apple is being forced to make an ass of their selves and this should serve as an example to all company's who misuse the courts. To be clear I would feel this way if it were Samsung in the same situation.

Well said !

I own 2 iPads and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and I would never confuse the two. They run on different OS's. The Galaxy Tab is slightly bigger and looks different. The reason this sort of stuff needs to stop is because it hurts competition and innovation.
 
But based on this interpretation, Just because apple was first to use someone elses technology, this would give apple some form of leverage to say "we were first to us it, so no one else can use it in a phone".

No. You can only preclude others from using Trademarks, Copyrights, Patents, and the like. Apple had none of that regarding Corning Gorilla Glass. So though they lead the way, others were free to copy, and so they did.

The fact that Corning designed and came up with Gorilla glass, and sold it to Apple to use in mobile phones, does not mean that they cannot turn around and sell it to any other manufacturer to use in the same fasion. Apple does not hold the patent on Gorilla glass, Nor do they own the patent on using glass front on a display

I never said others couldn't copy. I even said sometimes you need to copy in order to innovate. So that is a non-issue.
 
I'm reading all these posts and I'm glad apple has to do this. Seems like one time the big giant has to eat some dirt. Everybody posting is saying its stupid but if it was reversed most of you would want the other company to have to post it on there site like apple does.


Good for Samsung


James
 
Samsung is a friend to the British people. Just yesterday, they bailed out one of our struggling tech companies, CSR, to the tune of £200M.

And now, a judge rules that Apple must apologise for falsely accusing Samsung of copying their designs.

Coincidence? "Justice" sometimes works in mysterious ways.
 
Aaaah - finally found it.

Well - have a look at the new ES8090 and ES7090 TV sets. Those sets offer gesture control, speech control and even face recognition. Oh - did I mention inbuilt AppStore and AllShare?

Guess Apple will have a hard time with their rumored TV set as they have nothing (sic!) that couldn't be considered prior art in TV sets that I can imagine.

And remember - IFA will happen in about a month. Be prepared for some new innovation there...

So the innovation you claim is Kinect built into the TV rather than on top of it/in front of it? I don't know, I have a monitor in front of me right now that does all of the above too. But, you win, they're doing something before everyone else.

Don't know about Apple's TV set but I would hope it's something more than this or it would be too predictable...it's almost as if Samsung is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
 
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