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Thankyou! People keep saying that and it had me wondering what I was missing. I think what they mean is the log of interactions is decentralised; only the log of which IDs and infected is centralised.



Err, just don’t install the app?


Being English I know lots of English people. I don’t know any who don’t admit the NHS has room for improvement.


I can’t stand this government, but I don’t agree with the fears of an ulterior, Orwellian motivation behind this. I don‘t like them or I don’t trust them but I don’t see any indication they they have a tendency towards big-stateism, and given the limitations of this any it wouldn’t be much use for them anyway. Any individual wishing to hide their movement from the state can just opt out. Given the situation it’s probably worth taking the risk and giving them the benefit of the doubt for now I think.
Assuming that you're talking about the UK government, it would be trivial for them to implement the law to say that you have to install the app (Similar to laws requiring disclosure of communicable diseases) Or otherwise to make it such that for access to public transport et cetera you have to swipe your phone to show that you're a "safe responsible citizen"
I'm sure that in this instance the idea behind the app is mainly to give the sense of security to be able to go back to work, but look at how 911 has been misused with the never ending Patriot act - Followed by the Snowden revelations. There is an insidious encroachment on freedoms which can later be used to take out political dissidents when a less democratic government may come into power (extreme left or right - makes no difference if we look at history)
 
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I think “almost died” is questionable.

As for having a deputy, it’s not a presidential model so there’s no such role AFAIK - unless you count slimy unelected “advisors”. But there are a number of senior stand ins from Home Office, Foreign Secretary and Chancellor (Finance) unfortunately all three current incumbents are typically incompetent and underqualified. The last Deputy PM I recall was an obnoxious bloated idiot called Prescott and he was only given the “job” by Blair to keep him quiet and on board.
Raab is the de facto deputy as he is the First Secretary of State (as well as being the Foreign Secretary). Although, yes, it’s not really like an American VP system - if the PM is ‘first among equals’, Raab is probably second, though he could still be overruled by the rest of the cabinet.
 
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No thanks as much as I want to be safe from the virus and also safe from others if having the virus I don't want my privacy invaded there is enough of that on all smart devices already. Better idea would be...okay I know if I go into politics it will cause trouble so im going to stop there.
 
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I feel the Apple /Google api seems like a better compromise rather than this. If the U.K. Government doesn’t alter their stance I will not be installing.
 
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Why does this story which lifts 99% of the text from the BBC leave out the fact that Apple have been working with NHSX on the NHS system. “The US company does not oppose the NHSX's own effort - and has supported the British team”
 
I work for an oil company and we still use faxes and carbon paper 😂😂
Oddly, faxes are legal documents in Europe, many countries do not accept emails as a legal document.
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I think “almost died” is questionable.

As for having a deputy, it’s not a presidential model so there’s no such role AFAIK - unless you count slimy unelected “advisors”. But there are a number of senior stand ins from Home Office, Foreign Secretary and Chancellor (Finance) unfortunately all three current incumbents are typically incompetent and underqualified. The last Deputy PM I recall was an obnoxious bloated idiot called Prescott and he was only given the “job” by Blair to keep him quiet and on board.

You are talking rubbish. How the hell do you know how ill BJ was? So disrespectful! And for the record the whole civil service is unelected and advises the government. The CMO and the CSO are also unelected but I guess they’re ok? As for the “incompetent and under qualified“ incumbents, well all I can suggest is you give them you’re number as they are clearly missing out on your unelected expertise.
 
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The UK wants it to fail so it can then try and blame the Apple/Google claiming their solution wasn't fit for purpose, that they knew better and that the 2nd wave of CR19 was the fault of the tech companies.

Then they'll photocopy Moscow's recent legislation requiring government approved apps to be installed on all phones or demand backdoor access to install what they like on ALL smart phones in the country.

Looking after their population, their tax payers and voters, isn't a priority. Privacy? Not a civil right. No constitution.

That's just how dumb, paranoid and out of hand/touch government has become in Boristan.
 
I read only today that Apple/Google are planning a second phase around May: 90% of the functionality there without downloading any app. You would only need an app if you find you’ve been infected, or after you get a notification that you had contact with someone. In other words, most people hopefully need to install nothing.

But for that to work, there must be an app supporting the Apple/Google API. Without that, most of the information will be wasted. Guys, Apple and Google are just better at making mobile apps than you are.
 
The UK wants it to fail so it can then try and blame the Apple/Google claiming their solution wasn't fit for purpose, that they knew better and that the 2nd wave of CR19 was the fault of the tech companies.

Then they'll photocopy Moscow's recent legislation requiring government approved apps to be installed on all phones or demand backdoor access to install what they like on ALL smart phones in the country.

Looking after their population, their tax payers and voters, isn't a priority. Privacy? Not a civil right. No constitution.

That's just how dumb, paranoid and out of hand/touch government has become in Boristan.
Your first paragraph makes sense.
 
Apple and Google have said the code will be removed once the virus is past, although who knows what that means exactly,
Initially you just remove whatever app is used. In a second phase, it’s inside the OS and on iOS you disable it in “Settings”.
 
Assuming that you're talking about the UK government, it would be trivial for them to implement the law to say that you have to install the app (Similar to laws requiring disclosure of communicable diseases) Or otherwise to make it such that for access to public transport et cetera you have to swipe your phone to show that you're a "safe responsible citizen"
I'm sure that in this instance the idea behind the app is mainly to give the sense of security to be able to go back to work, but look at how 911 has been misused with the never ending Patriot act - Followed by the Snowden revelations. There is an insidious encroachment on freedoms which can later be used to take out political dissidents when a less democratic government may come into power (extreme left or right - makes no difference if we look at history)
Absolutely agreed. What was the difference between Stalin and Hitler? That’s why I don’t understand the support of large centralized governing bodies. When throughout history has a large government A. Functioned efficiently and B. Not abused their power over the citizens?
 
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How does the UK not have a Vice Prime Minister? 😲

Because the U.K. has a parliamentary system of government, not a presidential one. The Prime Minister is not elected, a parliament is. And it decides who is, and remains, as prime minister. Member of Parliament being representatives, elected to use their best judgment on behalf of their constituents no matter whom they voted for, and not simply delegates. And part of that best judgment is in deciding which amongst them should form the government.

Of course in practice people vote for parties, in the knowledge that a chosen candidate will support their party leader as Prime minister.

Constitutionally the Prime Minister is appointed by the Queen, in reality she appoints the person who commands the support of Parliament. Almost always this is the leader of the party which has a majority, although in rare occasions, such as after the 2010 general election, no party has a majority and so the different parties meet to form a coalition or arrangement where a majority will support a particular party's leader.

Importantly, at any point Parliament can vote that it has no confidence in a prime minister. Or the governing party can vote it has no confidence in its leader. In both situations it leads to a prime minister resigning. Depending on the circumstances this will usually lead to the governing party electing a new leader or, very unlikely as it would need cross-party support, Parliament supporting someone else, who will be appointed Prime Minister by the Queen. Or it could lead to a new general election being called.

This not only applies within Parliament but also within the cabinet, as this is who technically governs. The Prime Minister effectively has overall control because they get to decide the cabinet. But if a majority of the cabinet did not agree with the Prime Minister, they would normally reflect their party as a whole and have the ability make things difficult for the Prime Minister to the extent of forcing a vote of confidence within the Party to oust them. This is the story of Theresa May's government, which lead to Boris Johnson becoming Prime Minister through a leadership contest after May was forced to resign.

The cabinet, incidentally, are also constitutionally appointed by the Queen, but this is done on the advice of the Prime Minister.

So constitutionally you cannot have a Vice Prime Minister because even the Prime Minister only stays in office due to the continued support of Parliament that can be taken away at any moment. You cannot have a second-in-command with more job security that the leader!

But some governments have named deputy prime ministers, a cabinet member who will take place of the Prime Minister when they are unavailable. Whether that is to answer questions when they are out of the country or to take charge when they incapacitated.

But it is not itself a constitutional role, unlike cabinet secretaries, and so does not come with a salary over what they are paid as a member of parliament or minister. So the position is not often used, and when it is it is normally for political reasons. Tony Blair moved the Labour party more to the centre, so in his government he had John Prescott as his deputy to keep the traditional left on board. When David Cameron failed to gain an outright majority for the Conservative party, he formed a coalition with the Liberal Democrats and so made their leader, Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, to show it was not a Tory government but in name.

Johnson had decided not to name anyone as Deputy Prime Minister in his government, however he appointed Foreign Secretary (the Secretary of State in U.S. politics) to lead the government before he went into hospital. And because constitutionally it is Cabinet, appointed by the Queen, and not the Prime Minister that actually governs this is just the normal working of government.

Had Johnson been incapacitated before being able to name someone to take his place, the cabinet would likely have decidedan interim leader amongst themselves. Which due to the country being in a state of crisis, their party would have supported. Though technically it would have been up to the party to appoint a new leader in accordance with its own internal rules.
 
The UK wants it to fail so it can then try and blame the Apple/Google claiming their solution wasn't fit for purpose, that they knew better and that the 2nd wave of CR19 was the fault of the tech companies.

Then they'll photocopy Moscow's recent legislation requiring government approved apps to be installed on all phones or demand backdoor access to install what they like on ALL smart phones in the country.

Looking after their population, their tax payers and voters, isn't a priority. Privacy? Not a civil right. No constitution.

That's just how dumb, paranoid and out of hand/touch government has become in Boristan.

wow...a Scot living in New Zealand, as if their opinion on the UK really mattered or had any basis in truth or fact...I think your last sentence sums up you more accurately
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Absolutely agreed. What was the difference between Stalin and Hitler? That’s why I don’t understand the support of large centralized governing bodies. When throughout history has a large government A. Functioned efficiently and B. Not abused their power over the citizens?

Well big Government can be very useful, e.g. if we were facing unprecedented times like now without big government we would have much more serious problems; no federal business support, furloughed employees, pandemic management etc. It’s understandable why folks don’t trust big government but they always clamour for it when things go bad, e.g. the depression, the financial crash in 2008 and now.

by the way Hitler was democratically elected, unlike Stalin (Granted he immediately changed the law to stay in power)
 
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once all this is over people will just uninstall the app.




then when we get another virus pandemic they will reinstall like a rooster with an itch.

all good
 
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