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UK Wants All iPhones to Block Explicit Images Unless You Prove Age
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Just like authoritarian states did throughout history. Everyone is guilty unless proven otherwise and you have nothing to hide do you?
Nothing to hide argument - Wikipedia
I am not concerned. I never send explicit text messages. For that I use polaroids along with carrier pigeons to deliver my important explicit messages safe and secure. The only dangers I worry about are hawks.
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Robert Metcalf USA invented Ethernet, which enabled this entire mess of a thing that we call the internet.
Because it worked in terms of having control over everything which is the goal of most politicians. Control and power. And don’t listen to them that this will not be used for something else. A smaller scale example but in Germany it was mandatory to give your name and address etc. if you wanted to visit a restaurant during covid. The police used that data for their investigations despite promising that would not be the case.
Thanks for making a sensible intelligent comment on this.
I would echo what you say.
To those who oppose this:
What about the (young - and older) lives which have been ruined by the sharing of private material?
Or those that were so mortified, that they chose to take their own lives?
Yes, I’m aware that this sort of device level blocking - which will obviously by fine by AI and ML - can be misused.
But conversely, this is no argument against not doing anything.
And enough of the ‘personal responsibility’ argument please.
It’s rolled out by fast / ultra processed food lobbies, gun lobbies, tobacco lobbies and is demonstrably not true in any of these cases.
There always has to be limits on ‘freedom’ in complex societies such as ours - it’s why we have things like speed limits etc etc.
I’m for this. Too much much harm has happened and too much harm is being inflicted on our young people to protect our ‘freedom’.
True. That’s why I specifically wrote the ‘WWW’.
We wouldn’t be having a discussion on this forum without the foundational technology developed by a Brit.
People also get killed by drunk drivers. The argument in essence you are making is that we should go back into prohibition.
And neither from Robert Metcalf who invented Ethernet. The foundation of WWW. Yes as a side bar convo, Tim Berners-Lee developed the www protocols which sit upon IP protocols. But we wouldn’t have networks had it not been for Robert Metcalf.
Any there is no chicken and egg here. The progression is clear.
If you don’t see the difference then you are naive. Meta collects only the data I give them access to or what I am uploading to their servers via one of their multiple apps at least in the EU. Also Meta doesn’t use your data like government here wants use it. Meta uses the data for target ads. The UK to scan every device not just the app so they can have control of you and the informations you consume.
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yeah, and that's what makes this so nefarious. The proponents of these laws get to hide behind "Don't you care about children?" to silence any and all objections.
What gets lost is that the "protection" justification is just pretext, not purpose. The real purpose is building an infrastructure that serves power consolidation, with "protection" providing the appearance of a moral cover and "public good" mandate.
Thanks for speaking out on these issues.
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Just want to say, those criticising the UK's population and that we are insignificant etc, I believe half of the US states are looking into forcing age verification systems, or limiting / banning VPN's.... have a good day.
No its not enough. If you are an adult you have rights but also responsibilities. We are not going to introduce mass surveillance just because some adults can not control themselves and their screen/porn addiction and because some parents neglect their responsibility. Maybe 10-15 years ago I could accept the excuse of parents that they dont know how to handle the new tech devices and the Internet. But now most parents are in their late 20s and 30s growing up with the Internet and having smartphones for almost two decades now. Apple has parental controls in settings for parents. To protect children we can also regulate big social media companies. Why does the government has to scan every device from phone to desktop pcs? Because its not about children.
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The law on drink driving should be zero units/zero tolerance. This way there would be no ‘I’m ok to drive’ grey area which is what causes the majority of deaths.
Define "nudity" and "explicit images". I guess it will in practice end up as being "anything a software/AI nudity detector deems is nudity or explicit".
A while ago, I had two separate medical issues, at separate times. In order to track what was happening, I took a series of photos. Which strikes me as a sensible approach.
For both issues, the GP surgery asked me to send some of the photos. (I was not happy that they have no secure way of doing so. Just attachments to an email.) For both issues, the photos were important steps towards diagnosis and treatment, indeed, even to getting an appointment to start the process.
Both sets contained significant bare flesh without which they would have been useless. In taking them, I might well have included enough to trigger a nudity detector. (It can be quite difficult framing selfies of various parts!) Though what I actually sent was edited sufficiently to avoid being explicit in my opinion.
Will the surgery admin staff and my GP all have to verify they are adults?
Will I have to verify I am an adult to view my own photos of myself?
Will I have to verify I am an adult to view other patient photos from around the web? - Some of which were very helpful for me to understand the issues I had.
There are also the many issues about skin colour affecting algorithmic detection processes. Trivial reversible processes like inverting colours getting round detection. And so on.
A while ago, I had two separate medical issues, at separate times. In order to track what was happening, I took a series of photos. Which strikes me as a sensible approach.
For both issues, the GP surgery asked me to send some of the photos. (I was not happy that they have no secure way of doing so. Just attachments to an email.) For both issues, the photos were important steps towards diagnosis and treatment, indeed, even to getting an appointment to start the process.
Both sets contained significant bare flesh without which they would have been useless. In taking them, I might well have included enough to trigger a nudity detector. (It can be quite difficult framing selfies of various parts!) Though what I actually sent was edited sufficiently to avoid being explicit in my opinion.
Will the surgery admin staff and my GP all have to verify they are adults?
Will I have to verify I am an adult to view my own photos of myself?
Will I have to verify I am an adult to view other patient photos from around the web? - Some of which were very helpful for me to understand the issues I had.
There are also the many issues about skin colour affecting algorithmic detection processes. Trivial reversible processes like inverting colours getting round detection. And so on.
And Donald Watts Davis UK invented packet switching at NPL in the UK which made it useful. In fact ARPANET wouldn’t have even existed if Donald Watts didn’t point out someone in the US was working on it too at RAND entirely unnoticed.
Not to mention we are the ones who got pissed off with the protocols war and got everyone together, in Sydney to work it out and come up with the OSI model.
US couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery without us 🤣
State ID can use zero knowledge proofs and eIDAS is building towards that… but the UK has one of the worst digital-ID imaginable.
providing on device age verification with tokens is one thing for when you’re interacting with adult content online. But on your device we end up having issues simply because of principle. If I want to cuddle my child then I can do that, and if I don’t want to cuddle them then it should be fine. Violence in relationships haven’t been normalized and thinking that is hilariously wrong when we objectively know it was actually worse in the past before the internet existed.
The fact you want corporations to decide this is beyond Wilde. I absolutely do not see why anyone want Google or Apple or any equivalent should be orderd to manage what we seexand consume of content that is completely legal. Morals don’t belong here
They’re collecting the browsing data of every website that has a like button, even without your consent. They admitted so themselves but never stopped because it’s perfectly legal. People are kidding themselves if they think they have any power over what data these corporations collect. The only way to stop it is to avoid the web entirely and good luck with that.
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The UK government actually already has ZKP on Android in partnership with Google. You can register a local copy of your passport (never saved to cloud) and use it for online ID proof. For some stupid reason they forgot to lead with this.
It would be helpful if we caught up with the rest of Europe instead of being so backwards on things. Estonia proved e-gov works at scale and most EU countries have state ID cards.
Age gating online content is fine because it’s what we do in meatspace. Asking corps to block rude images is the same as packaging jazz magazines in black covers on the top shelf of a corner shop which we also do in meatspace.
Well if that is the case in 1776
You deserved your independence. And we’re relieved you got it. Just took a while.
Well you can all thank Apple for their proposed service to do private and secure on device scanning a few years back to the whole globe…. Before they slowly realized the harm they just unleashed and how unworkable it was.
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Why are you blaming Apple when all the other major tech companies have been doing CSAM for years?
If any government is looking for an excuse to introduce something related to CSAM they’re not going to use Apple (who abandoned their system) as justification.
They’ll use all the other companies (Google, Microsoft, Meta…) that have been actively scanning for CSAM materials BEFORE Apple announced their system and have continued doing it SINCE.