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That image is incredible. The windows machines are so UGLY. That picture should send all of the PC guys back to the drawing board, and win a nice pat on the back for the design team at Apple.

If I wanted a Windows ultra book, I'd still buy the air, and just install Windows.


You said it better than I could have! It blows my mind that the idea of a thin and light notebook like the Air being popular was such a shock to these PC guys, and yet still after a few years they can't touch the Air's build quality...
 
just needs usb 3.0 y blu-ray support

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I agree, ARM is too weak to run MOST desktop class software today. With plans for quad core ARM chips first half of next year and rapid iterations of mobile devices it can't be that far out. And also, in my opinion, the mass market doesn't rely on intense software. Production software will still rely on windows for several years but that will become more niche, aka "pc's are trucks."
For accessories I think people like accessories to match and will buy same brand as long as they don't feel locked in and are not grossly overpriced like the Asus example. Surely there is plenty of margin in Apple and HP's wireless keyboards.

niche? windows is not going anywhere. w8 will run well on arm, and w8 will give a nice boost to slates.
 
Most people (really) would give up after 5 minutes of trying to find the start menu, and take the toshiba home with them thinking of how weird that other pc looked and behaved.

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W8 will run on ARM. Maybe youre just holding it wrong?

I'm sure that Apple has OSX running on ARM in the lab as well. What no one knows in the world outside of the development labs is whether Windows 8 and OSX on ARM maintain the look and feel and performance of an Intel processor, ie, what do we give up.

If the answer is the performance is acceptable, then I see a continued future of a strong OSX and Windows 8 operating system duopoly. Google not invited.

Coincident that both companies are looking for an alternative to Intel? I think not. My question would be whether Apple will have a Boot Camp for Windows 8 on ARM.
 
My question remains: Why pay more for an Air to get less?

Im not sure what you mean. Should we all get netbooks? I had a netbook and chucked it off a 7th floor balcony because it was a POS.

The Air is the cheapest Mac laptop.

Why pay less for an Air to get less?

Why pay more for functionality and performance that most users do not need?
 
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery...

As if Apple invented thin notebooks. It did not. Sony did it years before Apple and they do have a much better ultra portable laptop than Apple right now: VAIO Z is thinner, lighter and much more powerful than MBA.
 
re pic of ubooks

nice pic

mac air looks like the cleanest thinest profile
just needs usb 3.0 y blu-ray support

Bluray? Why? Rip your blu rays to img files and watch them in you mac.

USB3 will be integrated as soon Intel starts to do that (Ivy bridge).

I personally wish that USB dies. We don't need it. Everything should be wireless or use modern standard like thunderbolt.
 
I'm sure that Apple has OSX running on ARM in the lab as well. What no one knows in the world outside of the development labs is whether Windows 8 and OSX on ARM maintain the look and feel and performance of an Intel processor, ie, what do we give up.

If the answer is the performance is acceptable, then I see a continued future of a strong OSX and Windows 8 operating system duopoly. Google not invited.

Coincident that both companies are looking for an alternative to Intel? I think not. My question would be whether Apple will have a Boot Camp for Windows 8 on ARM.

I doubt they would've announced it had it not been acceptable. Microsoft seems to have learned their lesson this time around. Would be surprised to see anything but success. BUILD is only a few days away, well know more then. With some luck these "fully grown" slates can help push the "consumer pads" down a few notches, making both products viable. Cant see myself ever buying an ipad with ios though, if i could buy the exact same device with W8*.

(this of course assuming that it will perform well, which as i stated i have no reason not to believe).

As far as google goes they can probably become dominant players in the lower-end "consumer pad" market. But thats about it, i guess. Assuming MSFT doesnt **** up worse than they have ever ****ed up before, that is.
 
niche? windows is not going anywhere. w8 will run well on arm, and w8 will give a nice boost to slates.

Niche is probably a stretch. But relegated more to enterprise and small business, where in my experience IT departments see PCs as cheap commodity costs. Yeah maybe they buy in bulk. But that isn't the business most manufacturers want to be in and definitely not Apple.
The consumer market will upgrade at a more frequent pace; that is the desire of manufacturers- to get repeat business. The problem is the mass market is not impressed or interested in whether the next version of Office or Photoshop can run. They probably already have a three year old PC they can kick on when they need that.
 
Bluray? Why? Rip your blu rays to img files and watch them in you mac.

USB3 will be integrated as soon Intel starts to do that (Ivy bridge).

I personally wish that USB dies. We don't need it. Everything should be wireless or use modern standard like thunderbolt.

BR-rips consumes quite alot of space though. Given the hefty price of SSDs, i wouldnt want to waste a whole lot on media if i could avoid doing so easily.
 
I doubt they would've announced it had it not been acceptable. Microsoft seems to have learned their lesson this time around. Would be surprised to see anything but success. BUILD is only a few days away, well know more then. With some luck these "fully grown" slates can help push the "consumer pads" down a few notches, making both products viable. Cant see myself ever buying an ipad with ios though, if i could buy the exact same device with W8*.

(this of course assuming that it will perform well, which as i stated i have no reason not to believe).

As far as google goes they can probably become dominant players in the lower-end "consumer pad" market. But thats about it, i guess. Assuming MSFT doesnt **** up worse than they have ever ****ed up before, that is.

Yes interesting to see what happens when the rubber meets the road. If it runs fine and has competitive battery life, size/weight, without crashing.
 
Gotta say that Asus looks extremely similar to the Air from that angle. The general sloping wedge design and port placement.

But kudos to Apple with the Air, such a good machine in such a small (and good looking) package.
 
Thats the problem with the competition. They feel they must try to out do Apple instead of innovating themselves. Apple learned that themselves when Steve Jobs left the company and Apple felt the only way to get ahead was compete against Microsoft.

I couldn't agree more. It's not "competition" at all because they don't offer ANYTHING unique. I have yet to find a SINGLE machine that can natively run OSX and Win7 (OSX Lite) and still be as well-built and have great service to back it up. From ANYONE, aside from Apple. Until it happens, Apple will continue to dominate, and honestly, if that's what happens, then fine. But these morons at HP, Lenovo, Acer, etc. can't pull out the "Oh man, how did we go out of business?" card later.
 
Niche is probably a stretch. But relegated more to enterprise and small business, where in my experience IT departments see PCs as cheap commodity costs. Yeah maybe they buy in bulk. But that isn't the business most manufacturers want to be in and definitely not Apple.
The consumer market will upgrade at a more frequent pace; that is the desire of manufacturers- to get repeat business. The problem is the mass market is not impressed or interested in whether the next version of Office or Photoshop can run. They probably already have a three year old PC they can kick on when they need that.

Why would my anything but tech-savvy mom not want to run office on her slate if she has been using the very same program on her pc for a decade or so? As long as people speak "pc", they will find microsofts offerings interesting. Rightfully so, i might add, when it comes to w8. Looks very nice.
 
As if Apple invented thin notebooks. It did not. Sony did it years before Apple and they do have a much better ultra portable laptop than Apple right now: VAIO Z is thinner, lighter and much more powerful than MBA.

B.S. Sony's build quality is atrocious, they run extremely hot, and back when I was reselling they got the most complaints of ANY OEM for various failures. If that's "better" then please pass me whatever you're smoking.
 
Intel has some pretty bold expectations for this product: at least 40% market share by the end of next year.
 
It seems a lot of the traditional PC manufactures are having issues keeping up with the changes in the market. They all seem to be cautious when it comes to something new or off the beaten path of a laptop or desktop machine. I think it's because they are to use to playing the "make it cheap" game and the premium market scares them.
 
Yes interesting to see what happens when the rubber meets the road. If it runs fine and has competitive battery life, size/weight, without crashing.

Havent had any problems as far as crashes goes with my Windows box for the last ten years or so*, virtually zero when it comes to W7. As far as the rest goes, im sure it will - that is not really an issue. The issue will more likely be: at what cost.

Then again, the w7 slate just released by samsung is (iirc) w8 compatible, which should give us a hint. Not sure what that is going to sell for though.

* In fact, the only computer giving me tons of grief is my imac at work. Wouldnt want to blame that just on the OS though.
 
I agree, ARM is too weak to run MOST desktop class software today. With plans for quad core ARM chips first half of next year and rapid iterations of mobile devices it can't be that far out. And also, in my opinion, the mass market doesn't rely on intense software. Production software will still rely on windows for several years but that will become more niche, aka "pc's are trucks."

PCs = Family Sedan
Mac = Luxury Sedan
Tablet (with an ARM+Mobile OS) = Scooter

The "PC's are trucks" statement is marketing nonsense.
 
I thought that is what we wanted? Don't we want Apple to rule the world and all others to go by the wayside so we can feel superior and high five each other? Then since we are all so different for choosing Apple, one day soon we'll all be the same. What goes around comes around.

:cool:

I did notice on the toshiba one it was thin and had ethernet still and USB 3.0 of course because

"Thunderbolt not taking off at this time. Limited support from manufacturers at this point."

Of course it may be 3cm thicker which absolutely ruins it. You are supposed to go over PC's with a magnifying glass and do that hand thing where it looks like you are making a movie screen. Not really knowing that its the logo and it wouldnt matter in the first place.

I thumbs downed myself to get the jump on the bunch
 
Why would my anything but tech-savvy mom not want to run office on her slate if she has been using the very same program on her pc for a decade or so? As long as people speak "pc", they will find microsofts offerings interesting. Rightfully so, i might add, when it comes to w8. Looks very nice.

The question is, how often does the average person or your mom need to run Office? Often enough to justify picking a W8 slate over another for that rare benefit? Honest question. I don't know the stats, I'm just asking. Because unless the W8 slates match the same form factor and battery life of a TouchPad or iPad I bet most people won't make that tradeoff.
*edit* Also, since it has Windows under the hood don't you expect most people, for right or wrong, to still fret about running an antivirus program? Don't you think the general consumer is tired by that?
 
I'm by no means a mac fanboy. However, I'm typing this from my first mac (new macbook air) b/c I really don't think pc's will be able to compete in this price / performance category for some time. (it would have to cost at least 20% less to interest me)

The new toshiba $1000 ultra book looks nice @ 2.5lbs. However I'm curious to know what it will cost once you tack on the 128gig ssd, etc. to get it to match the $1300 mac air specs.
 
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