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Could also be PR spin.

Fact is - their supply chain just might not be able to handle large quantities at this time.
 
Could also be PR spin.

Fact is - their supply chain just might not be able to handle large quantities at this time.
Well, it's definitely PR spin. What isn't?

But on the chain....Why not? That would really be a strange reason. If nothing else, if Sony expected more subnotebooks to sell, they could simply reduce the number of "regular" notebooks and increase the smaller ones. If this was the problem.

As I hinted above, these types of computers have usually had a higher margin, so it would make sense for any particular company to favor them over their more traditional designs.
 
As if Apple invented thin notebooks. It did not. Sony did it years before Apple and they do have a much better ultra portable laptop than Apple right now: VAIO Z is thinner, lighter and much more powerful than MBA.

I think pretty much everyone knows Apple didn't invent the thin notebook.

Also, that Sony is a very nice computer in a lot of ways but costs a lot more than a MBA.
 
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Me too. :apple:

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As I hinted above, these types of computers have usually had a higher margin, so it would make sense for any particular company to favor them over their more traditional designs.

I thought they we struggling to meet the $1000 price point?
 
MacBook Airs are certainly hard to beat. I would love to get one! Just need a bigger HDD and I'm there.

I got the 11 inch i7 256GB model. I'd say 256GB is a pretty good size ;)

Of course, I can appreciate huge hard drive sizes. I took the DVD drive out of my 15 inch Macbook Pro and put in two 1TB hard drives. I put my entire video collection on it and now I have a portable video station :D
 
I thought they we struggling to meet the $1000 price point?
Cause Apple created an artificial point, otherwise they'd gladly charge whatever they could, saying, "it costs more to build things tinier". Which is true, but they seem to up the price more, anyway. I could be wrong about the margins and it could be changing, but I think the comment is historically accurate.

Personally, I was amazed when the first $1000 Air came out. The very first Air was what, $1700?
 
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It's interesting that just by looking at the picture it is soooo obvious which one is the MBA... such a clean design, beautiful! :)
 
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Why even try to compete with Apple? Not worth the struggle. You can't win.

Yeah, why bother?! Let Big Brother be the only choice. While were at it, lets all vote communist in the next elections.

Good call. :rolleyes:

Good idea, vote Communist!
 
if i could get the toshiba, only with the samsung bezel, it would be a done deal. man... its so thin! Almost... magical ^__^

Toshiba's are not magical, just Macs. You must be having a bad day, you really want a MBA but just don't realize it yet. Give it a day or two and you will. :D

I know your being sarcastic but, If they all go out of business then so will apple as we know it!!!!!

Apple will go the way of Ma Bell.

I'm not sure how baby apples would be.

Baby pod
Baby phone
Baby pad
Bay pro
iBaby (i need to trademark this one)

If they all go out of business, Apple will become even more Apple-like. More control, more dominating, and the most important thing to us consumers, more profits.

I bought an 11 inch air to my wife.

This is silicon art at is greatest.

I wish there was an air model with graphic card, like the mini. I want hdmi 1.4 output to play 3D games/movies on my TV.

The MBA is a work of art and an excellent performer now that it has Sandy Bridge. I can only image the improvement when the Ivy Bridge models are released.


Gotta say that Asus looks extremely similar to the Air from that angle. The general sloping wedge design and port placement.

But kudos to Apple with the Air, such a good machine in such a small (and good looking) package.

Plus the Asus has a keyboard and an lcd too and it's rectangular shaped, just like the MBA. Asus is a copycat.

:cool:

I did notice on the toshiba one it was thin and had ethernet still and USB 3.0 of course because

"Thunderbolt not taking off at this time. Limited support from manufacturers at this point."

Of course it may be 3cm thicker which absolutely ruins it. You are supposed to go over PC's with a magnifying glass and do that hand thing where it looks like you are making a movie screen. Not really knowing that its the logo and it wouldnt matter in the first place.

I thumbs downed myself to get the jump on the bunch

Ethernet and USB 3 are bad. Until Apple includes them, then they will be good.


Yes. Everyone should just hand the crown off to Apple and grind their businesses to a halt, and let Apple be the only computer OEM on the planet.

Because, who needs choice, right? All hail Apple.

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Finally, someone who gets it. Choice is bad. People are not capable of making choices. Apple takes this dilemma away from us by making the choices for us. Heaven forbid we had to think for ourselves.

If that were to happen, apple could jack up their prices to whatever they wanted to. Not a good idea. Without competition, prices won't go down!

Why would you want prices to go down? :confused: The higher the prices, the more profit that Apple makes. That is what is truly important.

Quoted because I can't believe someone was dumb enough to make up such a word to use in their defense.

I invented the word Appleonian and it is NOT dumb. And it isn't used in defense.

If there were no competition, we would all still be using Apple II computers. Without competition, there's no desire to win, resulting in everyone being a looser.

Competition is bad. Apple is good. Whatever they produce is all we need or want, even if we don't need it or want it.
 
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It's already happening.
 
...once we're all on the mothership, eating space cereal.....

Applejacks? :D

The Asus UX21

But it's not Apple aluminum. End of story.

Once again my friend, your sarcasm has escaped the masses.

A singular sense of humor I guess.

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Its like they are marketing to robots

But how can it go over their heads? I thought Apple users were way more intelligent than regular people? :confused:

Because competition is GOOD

Not it's not. Apple knows best. No sense having other companies around to confuse people.


I think pretty much everyone knows Apple didn't invent the thin notebook.

Also, that Sony is a very nice computer in a lot of ways but costs a lot more than a MBA.

Steve personally invented the thin notebook. Just ask him.

I want that Asus UX21

But I will wait for Ivy Bridge.

I think a lot of people are waiting for Ivy Bridge too.

Even New Air buyers

You do NOT want an Asus. You want an Ivy Bridge MBA running Windows 8. :D
 
"I like that Samsung, looks good." Until the OS comes up onto the screen.

After much effort at avoidance, at long last I had to plunge into Win7. Within minutes it was pestering me with a continuing stream of "The website you're on wants to open a website you trust. Are you sure?" Wait, what? No obvious way to shut it up; why yes I'd like to go from page X to page Y - that's why I'm on page X and clicked on page Y! now do it already! My word Win7 is gonna suck...ok, I grok that some viable security attacks happen thru such paths, but that's like building a car which, upon turning the key every time, asks you "by driving this car you might die in a fiery wreck - are you sure?" or "by turning the wheel, you may swerve into oncoming traffic and die - are you sure?" GAH! rant over.
 
ARM is too weak to run real desktop software

I'm sure ARM and partners have the ability to think past the next 24 hours. ;)

ARM probably already has equipment that will blaze through "real" desktop software with ease. Apple's already on it.

After much effort at avoidance, at long last I had to plunge into Win7. Within minutes it was pestering me with a continuing stream of "The website you're on wants to open a website you trust. Are you sure?" Wait, what? No obvious way to shut it up; why yes I'd like to go from page X to page Y - that's why I'm on page X and clicked on page Y! now do it already! My word Win7 is gonna suck...ok, I grok that some viable security attacks happen thru such paths, but that's like building a car which, upon turning the key every time, asks you "by driving this car you might die in a fiery wreck - are you sure?" or "by turning the wheel, you may swerve into oncoming traffic and die - are you sure?" GAH! rant over.

Windows hasn't and won't change fundamentally. Because the people who initially made it into the mess that is is today are still there, and one of them is now running the whole show.
 
LOL, I was not talking about computers in general. I was talking about SLIM notebooks. Here is how Sony VAIO VGN-X505VP looked:

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And it was in 2004. It took years for Apple to approach this form factor.

Yes, I remember those Sony's. The nice thing was their form factor. The bad thing was the price and the specs. This Vaio had a 1.1GHz ULV Pentium M running off a 400 MHz bus. 512MB DDR RAM which was not expandable. Video was a Intel 855GM integrated chipset driving a 10.6" 1024x768 screen. Storage was a 1.8 inch hard drive. No integrated WiFi. Ethernet dongle. Two hour battery. $3,700.

LOL.
 
niche? windows is not going anywhere. w8 will run well on arm, and w8 will give a nice boost to slates.

I agree, but by the time Microsoft gets their horse out of the barn Apple will so completely own the slate/tablet market by virtue of its product base in enterprise and education that no one will care that a Windoze version is available, especially since they will need to upgrade all their software to be touch aware and optimized for a touch interface.

In addition, the Apple iCloud will make syncing between their old PC dinosaurs and the iPad/iPhone so seamless that a Windoze slate/tablet doesn't have anything to offer. It can't/won't run any legacy programs, and many companies will have already made their needed custom apps for the iPad/iPhone. Life has moved on and MS will arrive at the prom when the janitors are cleaning up.

...and I haven't even gotten started on the Apple ecosystem that will only get more encompassing by the time Ballmer reprises his monkey dance.
 
I want that Asus UX21

But I will wait for Ivy Bridge.

I think a lot of people are waiting for Ivy Bridge too.

Even New Air buyers

Which New Air buyers?

The Average User thinks "Ivy Bridge" is a a place over a river somewhere. Which it actually is. The last thing they understand or even care to know are processor code names and how an upcoming one will affect their purchase. When they have the $$ for a Mac and are ready, they'll get one.

Most Air buyers, as you will see, are the same folks who make up the majority of the Mac market: average users. The only distinction you'll probably see with any clarity is income brackets, and maybe age.
 
Cant say i find the Samsung or Toshiba ugly, not at all really. Think im gonna ask if i can change my MBA into something else.

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lovely bezelwork on sammys new chronos line as well.

I think that the Toshiba one is actually ugly, but its specs aren't too bad.

Now the Samsung - that is nice. It's sad they have to steal their ideas from Apple (i.e. direct rip-off of multi-touch track pad and keyboard), but they did design a nice looking piece of hardware there. The style looks fantastic. I would definitely check it out...

The Samsung Series 9 is attractive for sure, but under-spec and more expensive than the Air. Its screen resolution is quite a bit less, has a smaller SSD, lacks Thunderbolt & MagSafe power connector and runs Windows (of course). It is a tiny bit thinner at its thickest point, but comes nowhere near the taper point of .11 inch that the Air does.

Since the Air also has the advantage of MacOS X plus the ability to run Windows like any PC, why would anyone choose the Sammy with those limitations and a higher price? Sure does look good though.

http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP900X3A-A03US
 
After much effort at avoidance, at long last I had to plunge into Win7. Within minutes it was pestering me with a continuing stream of "The website you're on wants to open a website you trust. Are you sure?" Wait, what? No obvious way to shut it up; why yes I'd like to go from page X to page Y - that's why I'm on page X and clicked on page Y! now do it already! My word Win7 is gonna suck...ok, I grok that some viable security attacks happen thru such paths, but that's like building a car which, upon turning the key every time, asks you "by driving this car you might die in a fiery wreck - are you sure?" or "by turning the wheel, you may swerve into oncoming traffic and die - are you sure?" GAH! rant over.

That would help if you knew how to use a computer.
 
I think that the Toshiba one is actually ugly, but its specs aren't too bad.

Now the Samsung - that is nice. It's sad they have to steal their ideas from Apple (i.e. direct rip-off of multi-touch track pad and keyboard), but they did design a nice looking piece of hardware there. The style looks fantastic. I would definitely check it out...

The Samsung Series 9 is attractive for sure, but under-spec and more expensive than the Air. Its screen resolution is quite a bit less, has a smaller SSD, lacks Thunderbolt & MagSafe power connector and runs Windows (of course). It is a tiny bit thinner at its thickest point, but comes nowhere near the taper point of .11 inch that the Air does.

Since the Air also has the advantage of MacOS X plus the ability to run Windows like any PC, why would anyone choose the Sammy with those limitations and a higher price? Sure does look good though.

http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP900X3A-A03US

First: To each his own. I actually do not find the MBA design that attractive. Especially not the black border-thing on the bezel.

Second: You do know that the the aluminium/black look has existed in laptops for like, ten years - right? As for the track-pad, ill respond in Apple-fan fashion: Why didnt Apple patent it? Dont tell me? They didnt invent it? Ouch...

Third: I think id take windows over osx pretty much everyday, if the choice was only up to me (which it really isnt).

Fourth: When you say: "Ability to run windows like any pc" you're factoring in the cost of buying a windows license, right? Also, out of curiosity - cant pc's run osx nowadays anyway?

Fifth: people were talking about design, not speccs or price. these are, of course, interesting from a consumer point of view, but not the object for discussion.

/D.

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that would help if you knew how to use a computer.

+1
 
nice try

As if Apple invented thin notebooks. It did not. Sony did it years before Apple and they do have a much better ultra portable laptop than Apple right now: VAIO Z is thinner, lighter and much more powerful than MBA.

Nice try. The Vaio Z is more comparable to a MacBook Pro than the Air. And it's $3k.
 
Yes, I remember those Sony's. The nice thing was their form factor. The bad thing was the price and the specs. This Vaio had a 1.1GHz ULV Pentium M running off a 400 MHz bus. 512MB DDR RAM which was not expandable. Video was a Intel 855GM integrated chipset driving a 10.6" 1024x768 screen. Storage was a 1.8 inch hard drive. No integrated WiFi. Ethernet dongle. Two hour battery. $3,700.

LOL.

Yeah, Sony has made good-looking laptops for a long time, but, like you pointed out, their specs usually sucked air in one way or another. They further complicated things with horrible meaningless product names. The VAIO VGN-X505VP was one good example. No way could a potential customer wrap their mind around such a name. What happened to a company that once named their product a "Walkman" and people could ask for it by name?

I don't think Apple took a long time to match the Sony form factor, they just didn't want to make a portable computer that needed to be plugged in for most of the time it was being used. The original MBA met the desired form factor, but at a high cost and limited performance. By now, it has grown into being at an excellent price-point with much better specifications, while even shrinking more.

It's no wonder that the competitors are struggling to match Apple's form factor, specs, and price. Apple didn't get there overnight either. Playing catch up is a b*tch.
 
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