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Size, noise level, and power consumption are specs. They may not matter to you, but that doesn't make them irrelevant to everyone.[/QUOTE]

I bet a dollar to a doughnut that if you ask 100 Apple faithful if they would rather have a super quiet, super small and extremely green Mini at $599 with specs comparable to a two year old computer but being sold as 'new' or a more standard Mac priced more in line with a comparable PC that 80% would say a cheaper more standard Mac.

Apple is great at giving people what they don't want but not so good at responding to the customer. Yes - I have found that some of these features not often asked for are actually game changing features - but to blow-off your customer base (or a large part of them) for a fairly pedestrian Mini is nothing but another slap in the face from the minds at Apple.

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I do get what you're saying, but what I'm telling you is that you are not understanding the Mac Mini. You want a low end desktop, Apple doesn't make one. It's useless to compare the Mac Mini to the dozen or so cheap desktops, that's not the market it's aimed at.

You say people never asked for it, but the booming Mini-ATX and Nano-ATX craze that spawned the mini and G4 Cube before it (with much better specs than the VIA offering) was important enough to Apple to offer some kind of machine in that segment.

Maybe it's you who doesn't get the market dynamics. I'm not saying that spec for the spec the Mac Mini is a match, I'm saying the value of the mini doesn't lie in the specs of the machine. The hulking Dell can never offer what the mini offers and that's what people are buying in the mini.

They DO make a low-end computer and unfortunately for me it is the woefully underwhelming Mac Mini.

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Well, then let me be the first to expand your horizons. I had complaints about the size, noise and power consumption of my old PC. So those were all major decision factors when I bought my Mac Mini. I wanted a computer I could leave on 24x7 without seeing my electrical bill skyrocket. I wanted something that didn't sound like a vacuum cleaner when in use. I wanted a size that fit on a small desk instead of constantly being kicked on the floor.

The Mini fits all of those needs perfectly.

They may fit those bills perfectly but the specifications and upgrade-ability of the Mini not to mention the performance is not only underwhelming and disappointing but a quick way to loose people to the Hackintosh craze. I must say I am thinking about going that route since it worked well on my Acer One netbook.

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They DO make a low-end computer and unfortunately for me it is the woefully underwhelming Mac Mini.

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Did you even compare it to the Dell Studio Hybird or are we telling you to do it in vain ?

It's not woefully underwhelming, it's has an average price for the features it provides in its market segment.

They may fit those bills perfectly but the specifications and upgrade-ability of the Mini not to mention the performance is not only underwhelming and disappointing but a quick way to loose people to the Hackintosh craze. I must say I am thinking about going that route since it worked well on my Acer One netbook.

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Again you show your lack of understanding of what the Mini is. It has greater performance than a Dell Studio Hybrid with at a very similar price point. In the market of small form factor, low power computers, it is a very competitive offering.

You just don't want a small form factor, low power computer. Why are you even looking at the mini ? Because you think it's the low-end xMac ?
 
Anyone wanna wager the Apple Macbook Mini is the March 24th special event?

I honestly don't believe that's where Apple wants to be. The Nvidia whitebook is a sweet enough entry point, not much point for them to get into the low margin netbook market.
 
Apple is great at giving people what they don't want but not so good at responding to the customer.

They may not give you what you want but I ran out to buy this new mini on release day as it is exactly what I need :)
 
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So I see that complaining about the price of the mini has taken the place of claiming the leaked mini pics and video is fake.

I am SO glad those people that were positive all the mini leaks were fake were wrong. Just shows that they know nothing more than anyone else and hopefully they will stop spouting their opinions as fact.
 
the actual unit is a fake since it has 10 vents, because the box is real and it shows it having 9 vents. so it's a real fake, or the fake is real
 
Well, Apple isn't going to use their war chest to "subsidize" a losing business. They're also not going to reduce profit margins on a product if they cannot substantially increase sales in return. So that $28 billion is nice, and Apple isn't going broke, but Apple also isn't going to change their business model just because they have a lot of cash right now. Make no mistake, Apple is in it for the money and as long as people keep buying their stuff, they will squeeze out every inch of profit, and keep being healthy in the eyes of the investors. Apple's goal is to increase that war chest, not make it smaller.


nope the investors don't want the money in the bank they either want it back (buyback) or used to make more profit.

Money in the bank (to this degree) is just bad management.
 
I haven't really found anything that has lead me to believe that it's such a great technology over what VMWare and Parallels implement.

If you have access to it try out Hyper-V. I also think that VMWare ESX uses it too. IMHO, it is nice to use when you have it. I have a 16 core server that hosts 9 VM's (CPU allocation varies). When one VM is pegging the CPUs allocated to it 100% the host system doesn't even really notice. Of course that could be based on how the VM system works more than the Virtualization Tech supported.
 
If you have access to it try out Hyper-V. I also think that VMWare ESX uses it too.

ESX only uses VT optionally, it's only mandatory to run 64-bit guests on 32-bit hosts. VMWare has always maintained that their software emulation layer is faster.

IMHO, it is nice to use when you have it. I have a 16 core server that hosts 9 VM's (CPU allocation varies). When one VM is pegging the CPUs allocated to it 100% the host system doesn't even really notice.

It isn't any different with ESX on non-VT hardware, though.
 
ESX only uses VT optionally, it's only mandatory to run 64-bit guests on 32-bit hosts. VMWare has always maintained that their software emulation layer is faster.



It isn't any different with ESX on non-VT hardware, though.

we are trying out ESX on an older server. But our 16 Core rig is running Hyper-V.
 
I haven't really found anything that has lead me to believe that it's such a great technology over what VMWare and Parallels implement.

Fusion and Parallels both support and use VT-x under OS X, although because Apple's support for VT-x is so shoddy (their EFI implementation etc.) they have workarounds in place for when it's not accessible, like sometimes when the processor is powered up after sleep :rolleyes:
In any case I want it for use under other OSes too - e.g. Windows 2008 Hyper-V won't work unless VT-x is present and enabled.

Another nail in the coffin for the base spec Mac mini :(
 
Fusion and Parallels both support and use VT-x under OS X, although because Apple's support for VT-x is so shoddy (their EFI implementation etc.) they have workarounds in place for when it's not accessible, like sometimes when the processor is powered up after sleep :rolleyes:
In any case I want it for use under other OSes too - e.g. Windows 2008 Hyper-V won't work unless VT-x is present and enabled.

Another nail in the coffin for the base spec Mac mini :(
Windows 2008 on my Mac mini? :D

The P8400 is there is you're going to be doing something just needs VT-x support on a Mac mini. Yes there are a few things that need it but on a Mac mini? Even I find that hard to swallow.
 
Windows 2008 on my Mac mini? :D

The P8400 is there is you're going to be doing something just needs VT-x support on a Mac mini. Yes there are a few things that need it but on a Mac mini? Even I find that hard to swallow.
This is kinda OT, but I would figure the mini would be perfect for either WHS or Windows 2008 (R2 preferred). It is between that or Windows 7 (for Media Center).

So far I have the wife on board for an iMac to replace our bedroom TV. Shooting for the Mini to replace my 2003 server in the basement.
 
Windows 2008 on my Mac mini? :D

The P8400 is there is you're going to be doing something just needs VT-x support on a Mac mini. Yes there are a few things that need it but on a Mac mini? Even I find that hard to swallow.

Yep there is the option to throw even more money at Apple UK after the shafting they've already given us :mad:

Then there's the other option: Hackintosh FTW!!!!LOL!!111 :rolleyes:

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Yeah.. your apologizing for Apple is pretty sad. You want us to profusely thank apple simply because this thing was 'updated' after 1.5 years? Really? 'Complaining' when its warranted is exactly what forums are for. As most people here are fans of apple (myself included) you'd think critical analysis wouldn't be looked on so spitefully from people such as yourself. And it's to Apple's benefit to upgrade their products- you know, so they can sell them? It's not some gesture they do out of the goodness of their hearts. Stop acting as if its some favor they're doing for us, and we need to thank them for it then shutup.

The truth of the matter is that as most rational people here have realized that Apple have managed to make the mini an even worse value than before- an impressive feat. One could argue the same about the iMac and the MacPro updates.


You hit the nail on its head. -- from another disgruntled Mac user
 
This is kinda OT, but I would figure the mini would be perfect for either WHS or Windows 2008 (R2 preferred). It is between that or Windows 7 (for Media Center).

So far I have the wife on board for an iMac to replace our bedroom TV. Shooting for the Mini to replace my 2003 server in the basement.
I'd just get a WHS from HP. As much as I like the Mac mini you can't just swap multiple 3.5" drives in easily.

Yep there is the option to throw even more money at Apple UK after the shafting they've already given us :mad:

Then there's the other option: Hackintosh FTW!!!!LOL!!111 :rolleyes:

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Just make sure you get a processor with VT-x. :D

It's not Apple that's doing that it's Intel.
 
Did you even compare it to the Dell Studio Hybird or are we telling you to do it in vain ?

It's not woefully underwhelming, it's has an average price for the features it provides in its market segment.



Again you show your lack of understanding of what the Mini is. It has greater performance than a Dell Studio Hybrid with at a very similar price point. In the market of small form factor, low power computers, it is a very competitive offering.

You just don't want a small form factor, low power computer. Why are you even looking at the mini ? Because you think it's the low-end xMac ?

Wow - I give up. You do not get it - really. No one I know wants a super-small and super quiet and over-priced Mini. Simple as that. Since that is what Apple is pimping as there 'entry level' desktop - that is what I as a user have to compare it with. Get it, now?

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