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Unboxing and Disassembly Photos of the New Mac Mini
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I know that, it doesn't make that much of a difference though!
well LOL, the laptop line AND the iMacs all have mobile chips, yet 2GHz is the lowest end one available. And don't tell me power and heat dissipation is more of an issue with a desktop device that doesn't have to move and always runs on outlet power!! It wouldn't be a problem AT ALL to put any of the other intel mobile chips in. Apple doesn't even use Intel desktop chips, in no product! MacPro has server chips, everything else mobiles, I guess you know that...
ok, where is the apple Desktop then for guys with laptops that want a second computer for backup and with a bit more juice but are not going to render full HD movies all the time? There is NONE! The mini only gives you equal or less performance than the rest of the line. The iMac is basically a computer with a monitor that you can't use with any other computer (AWESOME). What am I supposed to hook my MBP up to if I want to work on that if I have to remove my screens because I would have to place another computer with integrated screen there that I can not use as a screen, wtf!?!
Apple just wants us to buy a PC and EFI-X. Ok then, for 600 bucks I get a quadcore that runs 3 GHz.
Sad, I want the genuine, but Apple does not offer!
But they're still the most advance Core 2 Duo presently available from Intel. Apple can't just up and invent technology. The Core 2 Quads mobility and Core 2 Extreme mobility have a higher power consumption and probably higher heat too, making them a non-option for Apple in this form factor.
You're comparing apples and oranges here. The cheapest computer Dell produces is not a competitor for any Apple products. Price a Dell Studio Hybrid and then compare it with the Mac Mini. You'll see the price difference just melt away.
Valid arguments
There are valid arguments raised about price and performance specs regarding the Mac mini. However, Apple has to survive, you know. And doing what they are doing right now, at the prices they are offering their products now, they make money and thrive. Keep that in mind, people. Other companies that offer PCs at low to nothing prices have less and less profits each year. And see how many PC companies have bitten the dust. See how much money other PC companies are making. So I know that, yes, Apple is expensive, but at least people are buying Apple stuff and Apple is making money, and Apple will survive. When they start losing customers big time, then you might see some price slashing and performance raising. But again, it will effect margins, and then stock prices, and selling at base prices is just a down going spiral.
There are valid arguments raised about price and performance specs regarding the Mac mini. However, Apple has to survive, you know. And doing what they are doing right now, at the prices they are offering their products now, they make money and thrive. Keep that in mind, people. Other companies that offer PCs at low to nothing prices have less and less profits each year. And see how many PC companies have bitten the dust. See how much money other PC companies are making. So I know that, yes, Apple is expensive, but at least people are buying Apple stuff and Apple is making money, and Apple will survive. When they start losing customers big time, then you might see some price slashing and performance raising. But again, it will effect margins, and then stock prices, and selling at base prices is just a down going spiral.
I can't wait untill I purchase a Mini! I think I will be purchasing one after the release of Snow Leopard. Can you use the Mini on any monitor? Or is it strictly apple monitors only?
I thought the cheapest Mini was 499 before this upgrade? They increased the price anyways, going to those CPUs would have added what 80-90 dollars to the price overall?
I still plan on getting one though, just so I can get rid of my STB and lower my cable bill (eyeTV FTW!!).
Bingo, now you're getting it. Apple has left that market segment a while ago. Trying to make the Mac Mini into something it is not will never result in anything good, so stop comparing it to a Desktop.
And yes heat is important in the small form factor of the Mac Mini, and even the iMac. The reason Dell is able to use Desktop chips with higher heat output is because they have much larger cases with better airflow.
No, the Mac Mini didn't get a price hike in the US, unless you count the 20$ Apple Remote that isn't included anymore. It was 599$ last week for lesser specs.
Apple lost desktop marketshare because they had not updated the Pros for sooooo long. Now they have updated them. Let's see what happens during the NEXT quarter (not the current one since these are being updated well into the quarter). As I've said in several posts, I would love to see Apple do some things better, but what they are doing continues to work for them. They are outperforming almost everyone in marketshare gain (with the possible exception of the ASUS-types because of the Netbooks which Apple does not compete in ... yet).
Time will tell if your 3 cents is correct or not. Thanks for sharing your opinion. I fully respect the opinions of others, even if they disagree with mine.
well... idiots then.... The key to all markets are early adopters and power users. Many of these want what I'm asking, I know tons of them. If you buy the machine professionally of course you'll get a monster by getting a MacPro, but there is simply nothing lower than a monster!
what else can I say...
Anyone know if this works or has already been used this to make an external SATA mod?
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Just a highlight on your comments and the previous posters who talked about Apple's last quarter not being that great. WE ARE IN A RECESSION! And their "not so great" quarter beat the pants off of pretty much every other computer manufacturer out there ... Dell, HP, and Microsoft (for OS). Apple's quarter was down a bit, but in a quarter where the economy completely tanked, pay attention to the relative nature of the quarter. Apple's quarter was down, everyone else's quarter in the industry tanked.
You might think they're idiots, but they're posting growth during a recession, so they must be doing something right.
You can use any monitor that supports the mini's resolution, which is pretty much any monitor now on the market. The mini comes with a full DVI adapter. Other adapters are available optionally.
I believe you're mistaken, those CPUs are not Socket P. From that Wiki list, all of the socket P's have only 3M cache.
Can anyone else confirm, or am I wrong here?
Thank you Chupa Chupa for the fast response! I'm glad that you can use any monitor.
I've been using the same ViewSonic VP171s with both my Mac mini G4 and my Mac mini Core 2 Duo (and I'll be using it with the new Mac mini, which I'll buy as soon as Snow Leopard is out).
Talking about Snow Leopard... I've heard the launch is this summer... Snow Leopard? Getting released in the summer? Apple are nuts!
Interesting observation. I was thinking that Apple didn't use the SFF CPUs. But wasn't sure. If they don't then that doesn't matter as there is still the same speeds with less cache in Socket P form. And by the looks of it if the Mini CPU is a P7350 it doesn't offer Intel VT, which makes virtualization not as fast (of course this is assuming that Parallels and Fusion support Intel VT). Or Intel Dynamic Acceleration (think Turbo Boost).
I've had the feeling for years now that they actually restrict their products smartly so they never become a dominant player in the computer market. With their high margin products and a small market share its easy to keep growing and make lots of cash. As soon as they become bigger and offer more mainstream, they'd have to cope with competitors more and would trap themselves growth wise.
I totally understand that corporate wise, not many beat Apple's marketing nor their strategy department, very clever. Personally, I wanna see Macs everywhere though, especially comparable offers in the mid-range to enthusiast desktop market, so: DAMMIT! gg
Thanks for supporting my point. The poster I was responding to was talking about the C$949 price tag of the Mini in Canada and talking about it not having the capabilities (chips and speeds) of the Macbooks and other desktop Macs (which are all significatly more expensive).
Thanks for mirroring some of my earlier comments. However, i have to disagree with one of your comments though. Apple will have no problem surviving anytime in the near future with $28 billion cash in the bank.
Makes no sense logically. People's "2nd computer/backup" is typically less powered than their main machine. That is why it's a "2nd computer/backup."
I would submit the latest mini is fairly capable if you load it up with 4 GB RAM (BTW it uses the fast DDR3 spec, not something you see in a whole lot of low end PCs) and fine for 98% of what most people use a computer for.
If there is a gap in Apple's product line it's in the portable segment. Apple is in bad need of a Mac Mini laptop i.e., a netbook.