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Unboxing and Disassembly Photos of the New Mac Mini

diamond.g said:
Originally ESX was planned to be used, till we realized that Hyper-V allows for multiple snapshots. Which is great for testing changes. So far ESX only allows for one(AFAIK).
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ESX does allow for multiple snapshots, which is a fairly common feature - VMWare Workstation and Sun's free VirtualBox do that too. It's pretty much only VMWare Server that doesn't allow it (or didn't, I haven't looked at it lately), but that's very different from ESX.
 
ctucci said:
Just thinking...what if a massively expensive cpu upgrade won't be necessary because of being able to leverage CL for enhanced performance.

Just saying... I remember when I had a IIGS, and the second release of the OS sped the system up to a look and feel that was twice as fast.

What if SL/OpenCL results in the same performance boost, esp on 4 gig systems.

I'm betting that's why we haven't seen huge hardware shifts - I mean you just know Apple's developers have beat the heck out of the newly released hardware with SL and it's enhancements. They must be confident in the current hardware line with the new OS coming down the pike.
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I imagine the Geforce 9400M has been heavily tested by the Snow Leopard developers. Seems to be a rather powerful chip and the fact it's in all of the affordable consumer models (Macbook, Mac Mini, lower end iMacs) makes it a high priority to optimize for. ACtually, the Mac Pro might not get the same performance boost with Snow Leopard as the other Macs because of the CPU to GPU ratio. Then again, SL is supposed to make multicore systems work more efficiently, so you might actually be able to max out all the cores more.

I wonder what the March 24 event will be now that all the hardware got upgraded. new 30" Cinema Displays are due. Maybe a USB trackpad to go nicely with those new num-pad-less keyboards. Maybe they'll put the Mighty Mouse to it's well deserved grave (yes, Apple buried some tech in a keynote a while back). Maybe Snow Leopard Release? I'm pumped!
 
KnightWRX said:
And what is fanboyish about what I posted ? The only thing I'll ever be a fanboy of in terms of computer hardware is Sun boxes.
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Oh I dunno, is it fanboyism if you like a clearly superior product like Sun? ;)

The fact is, your "legitimate" gripe about the Mac Mini pricing and value is based on comparison with things it's not even in the same market with. This is far from Apple fans citing gripes, and it's much closer to "haters".
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I think some of the complaints we're seeing are disingenuous. If it were more powerful it'd be more expensive, and if it were to be a lot cheaper it couldn't be a low TDP design in a tiny box. To me the value proposition compared to the previous mini is night and day, but clearly it's not for everyone, and I sympathise with those who were hoping for a Mac entry point less expensive still.
 
NT1440 said:
Hmm seems that is the uppermost limit. Not that going over that isnt complete overkill in most cases, but does anyone know off hand the max resolution of displayport?
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3840x2400 is the max for HDMI Type B. Display Port is limited by the data transfer rate. So far 2560x1600 is the limit. 3820x2160 is possible when the data rate is doubled.

Beerfloat said:
ESX does allow for multiple snapshots, which is a fairly common feature - VMWare Workstation and Sun's free VirtualBox do that too. It's pretty much only VMWare Server that doesn't allow it (or didn't, I haven't looked at it lately), but that's very different from ESX.
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Good to know. We will play with ESX some more. Thanks for the heads up. Maybe our other unused 16 core server will be the test bed for that. :D

I really wanted to move my network over to Mini's (at work) but roaming profiles has become a requirement (along with Sharepoint compatibility). I still haven't found anyone doing roaming profiles on a Mac in a Windows domain successfully.
 
I've got a view questions

- What are the maximum resolutions possible using bought outputs?
- The site says 9400m gives you 128mb shared video memory on 1GB ram and 2GB with 265mb but does 4gb give you 512mb to use?
- Is there a 1TB out or is 500GB the maximum for now?

- How about enough airflow how warm can a mini get?

I'm asking because I would like to know if its possible to build the mini in a flightcase (as small as possible) with a 15/17inch touchscreen on top and connectors on the back
Something like http://www.numark.com/stuff/content...15eece703d3e1/large/hdmix_case_open_large.jpg
Would some holes on sides of the flightcase be enough for a good airflow?
 
champ01 said:
I've got a view questions

- What are the maximum resolutions possible using bought outputs?
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1920x1200 on the mini DVI, 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 on mini displayport, depending on type of cable.

- The site says 9400m gives you 128mb shared video memory on 1GB ram and 2GB with 265mb but does 4gb give you 512mb to use?
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No, it will still be 256MB.

- Is there a 1TB out or is 500GB the maximum for now?
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Largest internal drive so far is 320GB. But of course FireWire800 and USB2 can easily expand on that.

- How about enough airflow how warm can a mini get?

I'm asking because I would like to know if its possible to build the mini in a flightcase (as small as possible) with a 15/17inch touchscreen on top and connectors on the back
Something like http://www.numark.com/stuff/content...15eece703d3e1/large/hdmix_case_open_large.jpg
Would some holes on sides of the flightcase be enough for a good airflow?
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I don't know. The mini is made of low power laptop components so might be.
 
KnightWRX said:
I get it. I get that you don't want a Mac Mini or a Dell Studio Hybrid. I get Apple isn't even interested in making a product for the segment that is interesting to you, the low-end Desktop. I have "gotten" it since your first message, but you seem to still think the Mini is a competitor to the Inspiron 5300, which it isn't. Get it ?

You didn't even answer any of my questions, nor did you even bother to check the Small form factor, lower power option I gave you, the Dell Studio Hybrid.

Many people have answered you in this very thread that they want the small form factor and the lower power consumptions. The fact that you don't know anybody doesn't mean no one wants those features.

I guess I'll do the exercise for you, since I'm getting a bit annoyed at your comments that have no basis in reality. So here is a 549$ Dell Studio Hybrid :

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T6400 (2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Basic Service Pack 1
1Yr Ltd Hardware Warranty, InHome Service after Remote Diagnosis
No Monitor (System includes DVI and HDMI ports. VGA is not supported)
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 667MHz (2 DIMM)
160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
Slot Load CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Drive)
Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Integrated Stereo Audio with 5.1ch digital output (S/P DIF)
Dell USB Multimedia Keyboard & Optical Mouse
Dell 7 in 1 Media Card Reader
Integrated 10/100/1000 Ethernet

Seems familiar right ? It's basically very close to a Mac Mini. Things that the Mini has extra :

1 extra MB of L2 cache
1066MHz frontside bus
DDR3 1066 mhz RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M (the Intel graphics are really sub par)
Duallink DVI, VGA support
Built-in AirPort Extreme Wi-Fi wireless networking (based on 802.11n draft specification); IEEE 802.11a/b/g compatible
Built-in Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
Built-in speaker (the Dell has this to say : No Speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system))

You lose :

1 GB of RAM
40 GB of HD.
The card reader thingie.

All for 50$ more on the Mac Mini side. Still think the Mac Mini is overpriced ? I think it's pretty much priced where it needs to be vs what the competition offers in this market segment, the Small Form Factor, lower power computer.
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Yes I do - and I think the Dell is over-priced also. I am speaking of similarly spec'd systems. Get it? Apple IS loosing market share due to the lack of foresight on lower-end computers. The Mini IS a low-end computer and a higher-end price. I give up.

D
 
champ01 said:
I've got a view questions

- What are the maximum resolutions possible using bought outputs?
- The site says 9400m gives you 128mb shared video memory on 1GB ram and 2GB with 265mb but does 4gb give you 512mb to use?
- Is there a 1TB out or is 500GB the maximum for now?

- How about enough airflow how warm can a mini get?

I'm asking because I would like to know if its possible to build the mini in a flightcase (as small as possible) with a 15/17inch touchscreen on top and connectors on the back
Something like http://www.numark.com/stuff/content...15eece703d3e1/large/hdmix_case_open_large.jpg
Would some holes on sides of the flightcase be enough for a good airflow?
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My "old" Mac Mini is in small, tight a sealed box with thick foam padding so I don't hear any noise from it on my recordings. In the summer during extended batch video encoding (cores maxed out for half a day) the CPU temperature jumps between 75°C to 80°C. The Core 2 Duo can handle 100°C before malfunctioning (not computing accurately). Just keep the power brick somewhere else and have the Mini itself in a non flammable space. The Mini sucks air in through the bottom, so elevate it a bit to increase airflow. My sealed box has no holes for airflow at all, so a flightcase should be fine, too. Install iStat menu so you can monitor the temperatures on the menu bar. If it stays over 90°C (CPU Core), go ahead and drill some breathing holes.
 
ddTaylor said:
Yes I do - and I think the Dell is over-priced also. I am speaking of similarly spec'd systems. Get it? Apple IS loosing market share due to the lack of foresight on lower-end computers. The Mini IS a low-end computer and a higher-end price. I give up.

D
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Small Form factor is a spec, get it ? After 5 people have said so about 10 times in reply to your posts, maybe you should be starting to get it ? Otherwise, you're starting to sound like a troll.

Apple is loosing market share ? You mean they were tightening it before ? Apple is gaining market share at the moment, so maybe you should revise their numbers ?

Apple doesn't compete in the lower-end market segment. Didn't I say that before ?
 
MrCrowbar said:
My "old" Mac Mini is in small, tight a sealed box with thick foam padding so I don't hear any noise from it on my recordings. In the summer during extended batch video encoding (cores maxed out for half a day) the CPU temperature jumps between 75°C to 80°C. The Core 2 Duo can handle 100°C before malfunctioning (not computing accurately). Just keep the power brick somewhere else and have the Mini itself in a non flammable space. The Mini sucks air in through the bottom, so elevate it a bit to increase airflow. My sealed box has no holes for airflow at all, so a flightcase should be fine, too. Install iStat menu so you can monitor the temperatures on the menu bar. If it stays over 90°C (CPU Core), go ahead and drill some breathing holes.
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thnx for the info

last question I think :rolleyes:

Are there any custom wallplates which have the mini displayports and firewire 800 as a option?
couldn't find any :(
 
champ01 said:
thnx for the info

last question I think :rolleyes:

Are there any custom wallplates which have the mini displayports and firewire 800 as a option?
couldn't find any :(
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Wallplate?
If you're talking about a sheet of metal to cover the back on the mini, keep in mind the position of some things have changed, also there's one more USB port and something about the slits at the fan vent I thing.
 
ooOOOH :)

I'm so tempted to get one of these now. I will so upgrade the hard drive to a 640gb 7200RPM drive. With 4gb of memory and a 2.26ghz processor this thing will do excellent as a little photo editing machine :D It will have more kick than my AMD Opteron dual core 1.8Ghz, 3gb machine running XP64!


I wonder how VMFusion will run on this thing though... as I still need to run windows
 
Woodcrest64 said:
I'm so tempted to get one of these now. I will so upgrade the hard drive to a 640gb 7200RPM drive. With 4gb of memory and a 2.26ghz processor this thing will do excellent as a little photo editing machine :D It will have more kick than my AMD Opteron dual core 1.8Ghz, 3gb machine running XP64!


I wonder how VMFusion will run on this thing though... as I still need to run windows
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Fusion runs fine on my 3 year old Macbook so you're good.
 
Fake!?

so where is that list that people started creating to say "its fake i want to be known for calling it" :p
 
champ01 said:
I've got a view questions

- What are the maximum resolutions possible using bought outputs?
- The site says 9400m gives you 128mb shared video memory on 1GB ram and 2GB with 265mb but does 4gb give you 512mb to use?
- Is there a 1TB out or is 500GB the maximum for now?

- How about enough airflow how warm can a mini get?

I'm asking because I would like to know if its possible to build the mini in a flightcase (as small as possible) with a 15/17inch touchscreen on top and connectors on the back
Something like http://www.numark.com/stuff/content...15eece703d3e1/large/hdmix_case_open_large.jpg
Would some holes on sides of the flightcase be enough for a good airflow?
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Man that is sick! Great idea for a mini.
 
there is a 500gb 7200rpm 2.5" samsung just out

champ01 said:
I've got a view questions

- What are the maximum resolutions possible using bought outputs?
- The site says 9400m gives you 128mb shared video memory on 1GB ram and 2GB with 265mb but does 4gb give you 512mb to use?
- Is there a 1TB out or is 500GB the maximum for now?

- How about enough airflow how warm can a mini get?

I'm asking because I would like to know if its possible to build the mini in a flightcase (as small as possible) with a 15/17inch touchscreen on top and connectors on the back
Something like http://www.numark.com/stuff/content...15eece703d3e1/large/hdmix_case_open_large.jpg
Would some holes on sides of the flightcase be enough for a good airflow?
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MrCrowbar said:
Oh... Well, you could use this if you connect the miniDVI to the VGA port (Apple adapter) and the miniDP to the DVI (Apple adapter). You could use them both at the same time, but one is analog.

I guess it's hard to find one of those with 2 DVIs, they're made for projectors who rarely even have DVI inputs.
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There are MDP > HDMI cables very soon
Which will be more useful for now I guess (since almost nothing has a MDP connection yet)

In the flight case would be :

1 x Mac Mini 2,0Ghz, 4GB RAM, 120GB (with 256MB shared video memory) €650,-
1 x 15/17 inch multi touchscreen €200,-
1 x external hard drive 2 x 1TB €150,-
1 x Wireless keyboard (already have the apple one)
1 x Wireless mouse (already have a logitech lx7)
1 x Apple remote €20,-
1 x Headphones (already have sennheiser HD25)
1 x Apogee Duet (already have)

The connections on the flight case are gonna be like this:

4 x USB on the back (for connecting external hard drives or usb turntables!)
1 x USB on the front (always handy)
1 x Firewire 400 inside for hard drive transfer
1 x Firewire 400 on the back (for my apogee duet)
1 x DVI inside connected to the touchscreen
1 x HDMI on the back (MDP can support video and audio)
1 x Ethernet on the back
1 x Jack input on the back (mic)
1 x Jack ouput on the front (headphones)
1 x Euro 220v power connector (for mini, touchscreen and hard drive)

If I'm lucky I could keep it under €1250,- which would be perfect for me
And if even more lucky the internal speaker sounds a little louder when its in the flightcase
 
I ordered my mini the other day. Got the cheapest one, with student pricing, but with 2 GB RAM. It's actually cheaper than a Psystar, enough to make up for the spec differences between the two. That's in Canada. No idea how the prices compare in other currencies.
 
Eric S. said:
What do you plan to use it for?
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Home use:
  • Email
  • Web browsing
  • Playing music
  • Watching TV torrents
  • The occasional game I already have, like Starcraft and Civ3, and maybe now a game or two from this century
  • Maybe picking up my electric guitar, and playing around with GarageBand lessons

Software development:
  • Java EE programming (JSF + ICEfaces + Seam)
  • iPhone SDK

For most of that stuff a G4 would have been good enough, but I want to be able to play any HD video, and output it to my TV. Also, the iPhone development and wanting to run the newest OS X for years to come, really pushed it to a new Core 2 Duo.
 
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