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Because Apple wants ridiculously high profit margins on all of its products always. If their profit margins would be like that of Dell, then the high end Mini would cost 350 dollars tops.

http://www.dell.com/content/product...op-studio-hybrid?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn

hmm, not too far off the $350 mark aye! check out the specifications aswell. the mini blows that dell POS off this earth. here in NZ the mac mini is $50 cheaper than the dell studio hybrid and theres another $100 off from student discount
 
Speaking of such, the edu discount is now $50, the same as the macbook, making it $549. This is the biggest edu break ever on the mini, which has been $579 for a long time.
:cool:

Unfortunately, I only got a $20 discount last night when I bought my new Mini at the Apple Store near me. I don't know if things weren't updated in their system yet. But, seeing as I haven't been in school for about 8 years and only had my old student ID to show him, I don't feel so bad only getting a $20 discount. It's still a discount!
 
can anyone point to an authoritative statement that it's not just either/or with the display connectors?

I'm just curious - it's not a make-or-break issue for me.

It is a make or break issue for me :) Not to worry, though:

Mac mini comes with both mini-DVI and Mini DisplayPort output ports, so you can connect up to two displays.

apple.com/uk/macmini/features.html

Lot of nonsense going on about the Mini Displayport to DVI cable, I've seen several posts claiming that it costs $100, but mine was just 29 Euro (official Apple one too).

There are two types of Apple Displayport-DVI adapters. The dual-link DVI adapter (for 30" displays) certainly costs a lot more than the one you've bought.
 
Lot of nonsense going on about the Mini Displayport to DVI cable, I've seen several posts claiming that it costs $100, but mine was just 29 Euro (official Apple one too).

It's not nonsense. You got the minidisplayport to DVI-D adapter, which is fine for what you're doing with it. However, if your display pushes a resolution that is higher than 1920x1200 (think ACD HD 30"), you need the minidisplayport to Duallink DVI, which is 100$ straight from apple.

Or if you want a 3 monitor setup running 1920x1200 on each, you'll need a Matrox TripleHeadtogo which requires the same duallink DVI.
 
Yes, it drives 2 displays just fine.

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Lot of nonsense going on about the Mini Displayport to DVI cable, I've seen several posts claiming that it costs $100, but mine was just 29 Euro (official Apple one too).

Thanks so much for these pictures!

The $99 displayPort adapter is the one that goes to dual Link DVI (to drive 30" Displays). Macbook Pro owners must be pissed to have to spend 99 bucks just to connect it to a 30" ACD.
 
It's not nonsense. You got the minidisplayport to DVI-D adapter, which is fine for what you're doing with it. However, if your display pushes a resolution that is higher than 1920x1200 (think ACD HD 30"), you need the minidisplayport to Duallink DVI, which is 100$ straight from apple.

Or if you want a 3 monitor setup running 1920x1200 on each, you'll need a Matrox TripleHeadtogo which requires the same duallink DVI.

Wait a minute... If I have a new Mac Mini, a mini-DVI to DVI, a mini-DP to Duallink DVI and a Duallink to 2xDVI adapter... can I run, say 3 20" (1600x1200) displays with that? Could the 9400M even handle that? :p
 
Wait a minute... If I have a new Mac Mini, a mini-DVI to DVI, a mini-DP to Duallink DVI and a Duallink to 2xDVI adapter... can I run, say 3 20" (1600x1200) displays with that? Could the 9400M even handle that? :p

Only part we can't be sure until someone tries.

You would need more than just Duallink to 2x DVI, you need this product to make a duallink DVI into 2 seperate DVI connections that can drive high resolution displays :

http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/gxm/th2go/
 
I've seen one or two price comparisons to Dell "box" computers. Yeah, they (and others) will be cheaper.

Try to build a similar spec Dell Studio hybrid (very much a direct competitor to a Mini).

The price advantage fades quickly.

I see a new Mac Mini by my TV in the near future, that and an HD Homerun. After a year without cable TV, I will break even.

Scott
 
I'm happy to learn the new mini supports dual monitors out of the box. That is worth the price of admission alone. I'm thrilled I sold my Mini Core Solo. The 2009 will cost me $200 + the proceeds. Well spent I think.

It's HI-LAR-IOUS reading some of these posts. First Apple was bashed for letting the mini languish. Then it was mourned because of rumors Apple might kibosh the mini altogether. Now we know the mini lives and with a slightly improved chip speed, but at least the lowend is now capable of 1080p w/o hicups, and the aforementioned new graphics and video connectors, all for $19 more (cost of the Apple Remote that is no longer included) than the previous version.

My first mini was a G4 1.25. I think it cost $499 (that is 2005 dollars). So $599 for a MUCH improved mini is not that outlandish. Bargain hunters can go to the usual online stores that sell Macs TODAY and buy a 2009 lowend mini for under $599. One store has it for $578 shipped free + $11.50 cash back @ FatWallet. Another $594 - $17.82 cash back (Live Search) - $25 rebate, for a net cost of $551 and change.

Now if that is still more than you can afford, Dell has an Inspiron with your name on it with Vista Basic. It's not elegant or trouble-free, but it is cheap. Go ahead. I don't think Apple is ever going to make a machine at a price point that is going to make you happy.
 
Does anyone know if the new Mini will run pro apps like Motion?

It should RUN them, but I can't imagine it would be a very pleasant experience, specifically Motion. Even my Gen 1 MP at times isn't enough for Motion.
 
This thing has the specs of my 2 yr old macbook minus the keyboard, mouse and screen.

Seriously?? I was hoping for more. At least a core i7. Apple needs to pull its finger out. We're not asking for a core i9 or anything, just some technology that is not backdated and sold as 'faster; greener; still mini' but 'caught up to the smaller macbook specs of 2 yrs ago; made of the same ****; looks pretty cool'


Apparently you don't know what's inside a 2 year old Macbook.

While the processor clock speeds may be the same the bus speeds on the chips and ram have increased.

Now it is fair to say it is similar to a current Macbook without the keyboard, screen and mouse. However, I don't believe that is a bad thing.
 
I'm happy to learn the new mini supports dual monitors out of the box. That is worth the price of admission alone. I'm thrilled I sold my Mini Core Solo. The 2009 will cost me $200 + the proceeds. Well spent I think.

It's HI-LAR-IOUS reading some of these posts. First Apple was bashed for letting the mini languish. Then it was mourned because of rumors Apple might kibosh the mini altogether. Now we know the mini lives and with a slightly improved chip speed, but at least the lowend is now capable of 1080p w/o hicups, and the aforementioned new graphics and video connectors, all for $19 more (cost of the Apple Remote that is no longer included) than the previous version.

My first mini was a G4 1.25. I think it cost $499 (that is 2005 dollars). So $599 for a MUCH improved mini is not that outlandish. Bargain hunters can go to the usual online stores that sell Macs TODAY and buy a 2009 lowend mini for under $599. One store has it for $578 shipped free + $11.50 cash back @ FatWallet. Another $594 - $17.82 cash back (Live Search) - $25 rebate, for a net cost of $551 and change.

Now if that is still more than you can afford, Dell has an Inspiron with your name on it with Vista Basic. It's not elegant or trouble-free, but it is cheap. Go ahead. I don't think Apple is ever going to make a machine at a price point that is going to make you happy.

Good post.
 
Apple never reduces the price of their products, despite all the stupid rumors around the subject that come out every time there's a refresh.
That only happened once with the First Gen iPhone. So now you know what you have to do: don't buy any Mac Minis and maybe Apple will get the clue that their customers think it is very expensive. It worked just fine with the iPhone.
 
I could hackintosh a same spec machine for less, due to Apples recent price increases, for the first time hackintoshes have actually become economically viable, before they were about spec for spec, cost for cost, but now... Apples just going to loose sales due to their price increases, and i doubt the price increases will make up the lost revenues from lost sales, especially in the recession and now OS X can be installed on almost any machine with en EFI-X card.

Send me the part list to get something like a mac mini. I'd like to build one.

Something like = size like, noise like, consumption like, specs like.
 
hi,

Just wondering if the bump in graphics (128mb to 256mb) is worth the extra $200 step.

s.
 
Apple never reduces the price of their products, despite all the stupid rumors around the subject that come out every time there's a refresh.

Don't say NEVER... I think the iMacs which were just updated carry a lower price point than the previous models... not 100% sure though....can someone confirm?
 
hi,

Just wondering if the bump in graphics (128mb to 256mb) is worth the extra $200 step.

s.

I don't know either but I pulled the trigger last night and bought the higher-end Mini for the extra graphics memory and 1GB of RAM. I may upgrade to 4GB of RAM in the future but, for now, I think that this will be fine for me. I am upgrading from a late-2007 Macbook (White) which I used with an external monitor, bluetooth keyboard and mouse so I was already set for this new Mini purchase. The graphics card bump on the Mini (from the Macbook) alone is amazing. I'm very happy.
 
Again ... buy the cheaper PC and run Linux on it. Apple succeed in keeping the prices high and the margins large because no matter how many people complain about the hardware, Apple knows they will continue to pay (and even overpay) for the incredible operating system. Should Apple have maintained/raised their prices? You'd think not. But people will buy ANYWAY ... and therefore justify the higher prices.[/QUOTE]

But if you checked the latest sales numbers - that is not exactly the case and with pricing like this - it will continue the downward slide. Keep apologizing for Apple and maybe they will send you a free Mini!

D
 
It's just not for you then. You value specs. I don't really care as pretty much any computers sold in the last 5 years are still plenty capable of doing what I need them to do (browse the web/write code/read e-mails/ssh into the servers at work). If I want to play games, I use my PS3.

Reduced power consumption is a nice feature too with the raise in power costs.

Of course, my Macbook does everything I need it to do, so the only reason I'd have to even get a Mini would be to retire my Sun Ultra 5 and Pentium 2 333 that are presently serving my home network and drawing a lot of load on my UPS.

I could then hook my wireless network to the UPS and have Internet during power failures (cable is battery backed here because of IP telephony). Basically, everyone I see complaining about the mini doesn't understand what market it is aimed at. Just like the Mac Pro isn't a mid-range desktop, neither is the Mac Mini.

But I WANT to buy one - but not at this price and not with these specifications. Why is that hard to understand? The price is HIGH, the specifications are LOW and this is an ENTR LEVEL Apple? No keyboard, no mouse, no monitor all for the low, low price of $599? Really? Way to go Apple! Keep this up and Apple will falter like the early 90's.

Stick with the iPhone - it is under powered and over priced compared to other phones - and then there is ATT and the wonderful service - oh, not really. The service sucks - but that is OK as Apple signed an extension with ATT for more craptacular service time without any regard for the customer. I have an iPhone and MBP but ATT SUCKS and when my service contract is up I will unlock the phone and use T-Mobile - not greatly better, but anything other than ATT would be welcome.

Why do people have issues with someone when they raise a VALID argument over price, performance and outdated hardware? Yes it has the new nVidia chipset but 1GB RAM and 120GB HD with no BR? What a slap in the face!

D
 
But if you checked the latest sales numbers - that is not exactly the case and with pricing like this - it will continue the downward slide. Keep apologizing for Apple and maybe they will send you a free Mini!

D

Pricing like what ? You're not factoring the form factor and power consumption in your pricing argument. If you want to compare the mini to a Dell, compare it to the Studio Hybrid. The Dell is still cheaper, but not by the margin you people are claiming. The Dell also has slower memory, FSB, and is stuck with the sub-par Intel X3100 of the old mini.

Why do people have issues with someone when they raise a VALID argument over price, performance and outdated hardware? Yes it has the new nVidia chipset but 1GB RAM and 120GB HD with no BR? What a slap in the face!

D

Because it's not a valid argument. Check the market. You're comparing a full blown PC, with fans, big power draw and hulking case to a small form factor, low power device. The costs of the components of a mini are higher. The Dell Studio Hybrid shows the same pricing "problems" as the mini because of the small form factor HD, small form factor optical drive, mobile CPU/logic board architecture, etc...

You don't want a mini, you want an entry level Apple desktop. They don't make one, they make the mini. You buy the mini for the smallish form factor and low power consumption and you agree to pay more for that for lesser specs. It's not a slap in the face that apple doesn't sell a machine for your segment.
 
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