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Underage Drinking

atszyman said:
I think they need to up the military enrollment/draft age to 21 and for anyone who enlists your first three years of college are free (to a non-private college). After your third year you can opt to go into the military, or take your final year and do your service after receiving your degree.
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In an ideal world, you would be right, in fact, it'd be nice is no one ever had to fight in war; however, the draft age (or even the enrollment age, to a certain extent) is based on necessity. In the case of the draft, everyone is needed. Do you think the Europeans wanted to draft 15-16 year olds during WWI & WWII? Of course not, but sometimes you don't have any other choice.

Hopefully, we'll never need to impose the draft again, but if the need arises, we know where to find everyone.


There is no necessity for alcohol, on the other hand, so the two age limits cannot be accurately compared.
 
I don't care about underage drinkers because there is ZERO way to stop it. They will always get booze, drugs, whatever they want.

More power to 'em!:eek:
 
SavageMac said:
I don't care about underage drinkers because there is ZERO way to stop it. They will always get booze, drugs, whatever they want.

More power to 'em!:eek:
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by that logic then murder should be ok because there is ZERO way to stop it or any other long list of crimes. I hate when people use that logic because it rather poor and stupid logic to use and with that I can argue anything against the law should be legal.
 
What are you going to do about it? Read: How are you going to stop underage drinking and murder?

You can't and nobody ever will.

Worry about it until you're blue in the face. Huff & puff because 17 year old Timmy is drinking a 40.

Welcome to the real world: morality doesn't exist anyway.

All is subjective.
 
SavageMac said:
What are you going to do about it? Read: How are you going to stop underage drinking and murder?

You can't and nobody ever will.

Worry about it until you're blue in the face. Huff & puff because 17 year old Timmy is drinking a 40.

Welcome to the real world: morality doesn't exist anyway.

All is subjective.
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You're right. People will always be breaking the law - that's what our justice system is for.

That is still no excuse for not legislating and enforcing laws.
 
Yeah, the "justice system".

Where you can be locked away for life without possibility of parole for growing a certain plant I can't name here, but will spend on average only 5 years for murdering someone.

Real justice.
 
SavageMac said:
Yeah, the "justice system".

Where you can be locked away for life without possibility of parole for growing a certain plant I can't name here, but will spend on average only 5 years for murdering someone.

Real justice.
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but that said plant has been the cause of murders and violence and where the hell are you getting that information or are you just repeating something you read. The only way to get that type of punishment is to get a lot of counts of it against you that add up to that.
 
Your ignorance speaks louder than the rap playing on my desktop.

Read about Mark Young. No prior record with drugs. No history of violent crime. Not even any physical evidence.

Judge Sarah Evans Barker sentenced him to life without possibility of parole.

(Yet in the state of Indiana a person convicted of murder on average serves 11 years, rape 6 years).
 
SavageMac said:
Your ignorance speaks louder than the rap playing on my desktop.

Read about Mark Young. No prior record with drugs. No history of violent crime. Not even any physical evidence.

Judge Sarah Evans Barker sentenced him to life without possibility of parole.

(Yet in the state of Indiana a person convicted of murder on average serves 11 years, rape 6 years).
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Seems you have no faith left in either the justice system, or mankind. ...And there's nothing we can do about it.

OK. I'm done.
 
Why have faith in the justice system when it is putting medical patients in california in jail?

People with AIDS and cancer are dying in jail because of the medicine they are using.

Sounds like you have BLIND faith in the justice system.

~Savage
 
SavageMac said:
Your ignorance speaks louder than the rap playing on my desktop.

Read about Mark Young. No prior record with drugs. No history of violent crime. Not even any physical evidence.

Judge Sarah Evans Barker sentenced him to life without possibility of parole.

(Yet in the state of Indiana a person convicted of murder on average serves 11 years, rape 6 years).
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wow changing you argument on how long it is. And going insulting.

Cases like that are few and far between. Plus like I said people will fight and kill over those drugs. Getting ride of them removes that temptation.
 
SavageMac said:
Why have faith in the justice system when it is putting medical patients in california in jail?

People with AIDS and cancer are dying in jail because of the medicine they are using.

Sounds like you have BLIND faith in the justice system.

~Savage
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It more sounds like you have complete hate of the justice system and no faith in it.

Pick on the few and far between cases. Well I hope you live a happy life having no faith in anything. You clearly hate the goveroment. Heck you clearly think all people are crap.

If you think it is so bad DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Stop whining and complaining about it. A lot of time people like you only like to complain refuse to anything more than that. All talk and no show.
No point to argue with the blind they only see what they want to see.
 
First you claimed this man was not sentenced to life because of his first offense. I proved you wrong. Now you claim these types of cases are "few and far between", ah I love schooling a noob in law (yes I am a lawyer btw -- cocky, mean, and love every second of it):

Check out the 1502 cases in the last two years very similar to this one (few got life sentences, I will agree with your claim, but most received 45+ year sentences):

Marijuana case study (US Jaco vs. Ohio, Young vs Indiana, Kendal vs Texas) ed Gibson, Clayton, Rosfelder.
 
When i'm happy I drink and I am more happy. When I'm sad i DRINK and i'm not sad anymore!
 
Ed H said:
Years ago i seem to remember the states being able to set the minimum age for drinking, but i could be wrong, i know its a federal thing now that applies to all 50 states.
Ed
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It is a state decision. All states have chosen 21 due to the Federal Aid Highway Act and the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984.
 
SavageMac said:
First you claimed this man was not sentenced to life because of his first offense. I proved you wrong. Now you claim these types of cases are "few and far between", ah I love schooling a noob in law (yes I am a lawyer btw -- cocky, mean, and love every second of it):

Check out the 1502 cases in the last two years very similar to this one (few got life sentences, I will agree with your claim, but most received 45+ year sentences):

Marijuana case study (US Jaco vs. Ohio, Young vs Indiana, Kendal vs Texas) ed Gibson, Clayton, Rosfelder.
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I really find it hard to believe you are a lawyer you act very unprofessional and it even saider than you hate justice yet you you are part of the problem. Judges are lawyers. We have lawyers getting people off who are clearly guilty.

I never said it was not his first offense I said multiple counts which is very different that multiple offenses and a true lawyer would know that.

I think it said you start using crap that very few people would give a damn about.

I still say you are all talk because clearly you are doing nothing about it. If you think it is so wrong why don't you start defending those people and then attacking the ones that deserve greater punishment. But then again are legal system is run by lawyers who really do not give a damn.
 
DaveP said:
.I'm 22 and have never drank. I am opposed to getting drunk and I don't see much of a point with hanging out with drunk people or spending a lot of money on something that tastes like crap.
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Well, maybe if you drink (get drunk) you'll have insight into why people do it.
This applies to everyone in the thread who doesn't believe in/see the point of drinking or getting drunk, but have never tried it for themselves.
 
I started drinking at 14, these days I don't care for the stuff, I used to use it as an escape but these days I don't really need or want that.

Personally I've always considered my own ethics to be independent of the law, the law is only worthy of my consideration on a practical level, the law often guides my ethics however I always decide for myself whether I consider something acceptable or not.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
wow changing you argument on how long it is. And going insulting.

Cases like that are few and far between. Plus like I said people will fight and kill over those drugs. Getting ride of them removes that temptation.
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So your advocating the forced extinction of Cannabis then? Because that would be the only way to get rid of it.

If you actually wanted to stop people fighting over it or killing over it then the only realistic argument is to legalise it. There is far too much money in drugs for criminals to give up on it just because some of their number end up going to prison.
 
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