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Yeah - Apple following through with exactly what they very clearly said they were going to do at WWDC. Really confusing that...

It’s confusing in the sense of choosing between an Intel or ARM computer and businesses will potentially have to invest in a computer they know won’t be Apple‘s main focus after just 2 years. I dropped £4.5k on a new iMac for my business last year, there’s no way I’d do the same again knowing it wouldn’t potentially get future software updates for macOS from third party developers once the switch is complete.
 
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You really think the initial Apple Silicon-based Macs will be faster than a 10-core/20-thread Intel i9?
Eventually. Not the first generation (replace dual core systems), not the second generation (replace 4 / 6 core systems, possibly released together with the first generation), but the third generation (replace 8 to 12 core systems).
 
I am extremely thrilled to see this coming soon. My older 2016 MacBook Pro works well but is having trouble keeping up with how much video work I do. A new BMP run almost $5k and I don't need the portability - so grabbing a faster iMac would be a great option to boost my productivity. I feel confident it will last me many years, then I'll replace it with the latest Apple Silicon. I believe Apple is going to blow people away with the performance of future systems in the next few years. If I could wait, I would, but I am constantly running into challenging performance due to the limited memory and video performance of my current system when I'm working. An upgrade today will bring me benefits and the comfort of having a performance buffer.
It's hard to go wrong with getting a new system when you rely on it and it will improve your productivity. I am thankful I didn't get a Mac Pro. I waited for WWDC expecting a new iMac and iMac Pro. I was excited to hear about Apple Silicon, and also relieved I had not pulled the trigger on a Mac Pro yet. The Mac Pro looked attractive with the potential to upgrade it over time - but the future is now Apple silicon.
 
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I’m wondering how long will Apple support Intel Macs with future updates? 4 years?
All the low level stuff will remain unchanged. All the high level stuff is written in high level languages and work exactly the same on Intel and ARM chips. There is no technical reason not to release Intel MacOS versions for many years.
 
People forget that an Intel processor has 8,10 12 cores with multi threads and Apple processors has cores dedicated to things like power saving and battery performance. Which is great if you want to run a MacBook Air for 48 hours between charging but does not have anything to do with raw processing power of data. If developers write programs that use all the processors and threads the intel have on the processor they create a screaming program. I believe it is the best time to buy a new Mac if you are looking for a powerful computer that will last you 4 to 5 years. Then we will see how fast Apple can scale performance up on their processor. I believe they will but it is going to take years not 12 to 24 months. I feel that it is going to take like 4 to 5 years to reach Intel's fastest processors and Intel is still improving their processors so it is not like with the PowerPC that most programmers did not want to write code for a RISC processor. Which cause Motorola and IBM to drop out of the support of the PowerPC which kind of forced Apple to shift processors. And Intel has plenty of market with the Windows and Unix that want faster and better processors.
 
People forget that an Intel processor has 8,10 12 cores with multi threads and Apple processors has cores dedicated to things like power saving and battery performance.

Not quite sure where this is going. Apple can have 8, 10, 12 high performance cores. but they can also have additional low power ones for background OS services or somesuch. They have stated these are mac-specific variations of their SOCs, so lets see what they do. Performant Ax macs will be here a lot sooner than you think.
 
These things have aged so well....
My green iMac was killed by lightning. Called my home insurance; they told me that they had lost a total of 200 computers in the area that night (that was back in the day when your phone line was practically directly connected to the modem in your computer, so a lightning could easily kill your computer. Today it would kill my broadband modem and possibly my router).

And then I got lucky. Insurance had to pay for the cheapest brand new iMac that they could find (because even the cheapest new iMac was better than my old one). And two days before that thunderstorm, Apple had stopped selling their £599 iMac and the cheapest one was now £799. Again, back in the day when a pound was real money compared to the dollar... So they had to give me £799. Three days earlier, I would have got £599.
 
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Perhaps it'll get slower as each sequential MacOS is further optimized for ARM. Perhaps software support will end before the 7 year mark.
Please. Nobody optimises code for a particular processor. There will be a tiny bit of ARM specific code in multitasking, because the OS needs to take into consideration that 4+4 ARM cores are four fast and four slow cores, and pick the right ones for the job (like the OS needs to know that Intel 4 core + hyper threading means something quite similar, except single threads are always fast and have no power saving mode). There will be a bit of code that figures out processor cache sizes and what they mean. Apart from that, all is straightforward C / C++ / Objective-C or Swift code.
 
Given the shared specifications, the Core i9-10910 should slot right in between the Core i9-10900K and Core i9-10910. The first is a 125W part, while the latter is a 65W chip. This means that the Core i9-10910 is likely a 95W processor.
Is it just me, or is there a typo?
How can something fit between another and itself?
The machine features Intel's 3.6GHz Core i9-10910 chip with 10 CPU cores, 20 threads, a 20MB L3 cache, and 4.7GHz Turbo Boost, a successor to the Core i9 chip found in the current high-end 27-inch iMac Pro.
iMac Pro has Xeon CPUs.
Is this another typo?
 
We have compiled FFmpeg for ARM and did run on the latest iPadPro. Encoding a 2h 4K movie to HEVC did take +2hours. On an Intel i7 (not the fastest) it took less than 20minutes.
The question is: How well-optimized is your self-compiled build of FFmpeg for these platforms?
For example, does it use hardware-acceleration on iPads and/or Macs?

Basically this means Apple silicon will be good for basic things as long it does not need heave pure CPU power.
...like HEVC encoding?

Cause that's hardware-accelerated in Apple Silicon ...today!
 
The fact that they contracted Intel specifically for a 95w model at all tells me they are sticking with the current industrial design for the next (last?) Intel as they cannot fit a 125w TDP CPU inside the iMac’s chassis and properly cool it, meaning the Core i9-10900K is out and the Core i9-10900 is useless with a 2.8GHz base frequency.

The new iMac industrial design is going to be specifically tailored for Apple Silicon and that’s that. Apple wants AS to make a dramatic splash to generate excitement for customers.

I think they did this specifically to fit a new design.
 
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I remember during the PPC to Intel transition, there were many software companies waiting until the last minute to update their applications. "Just run in Rosetta" they kept saying, until Apple stopped supporting PPC.

Likewise, after the AArch32 to AArch64 and IA-32 to IA-64 transition, many developers never did anything about it until Apple dropped support for 64-bit entirely.

I'm waiting to see the same companies tell ARM Mac users "just run the iPhone application on the Mac" :D :D

I look forward to companies telling Intel Mac users to run iPad apps on their Macs, not knowing the difference. 🤣
 
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I'm waiting for apple silicon. my last 3 intel iMacs 2013, 2017, 2019 really haven't impressed me in speed boost from one to the next

I’m by no means a power user, but my 8 year old MacBook Pro is still way faster than I need it to be. I’ll be jumping on the Apple Silicon train pretty early. Maybe even the first one.
 
It may be the fastest CPU in an Apple mobile devices, but it is not the fastest Arm chip by a long way. Not when there are Arm server chips with up to 80 cores, and Arm reference designs for even more cores. Apple Silicon will not have the same limits as in the iPad Pro, and will definitely have more than 6GB RAM.
1. There's a story going around that a year ago, someone submitted a benchmark for ARM on MacOS with some insane figures. That could obviously be a fake. Or Apple bought one of these 80 core ARM servers and made MacOS run on it, just to see that everything works fine with huge amounts of cores.

2. Apple will eventually want an ARM processor beating the 28 core Intel processor in the most expensive PowerMac. But since the customers for that will pay any amount of money, and designing such a chip for small number of sales is probably too costly, they might just go and buy some of these server chips.
 
Although I do much of my work on my iPad Pro 12.9”, I would like to update my now 7 year old iMac 21.5” w/Fusion Drive. It’s not that it isn’t still chugging away, but more that the lower resolution screen is getting to me.

But I’m not going to buy an Intel based iMac at this point, given I keep my computers for extended periods of time - my old ‘07 MBA just died after one of my kids sat on at college, otherwise it would have continued working, which is crazy given it was 13 years old and has traveled around the world with me for work, prior to passing it down to him for school.

Maybe I should just get a large monitor and plug my iPad Pro into it for at work use, while Apple works on getting their new Apple chip computers into the market. I do love my iPad Pro as much as I loved the MacBook Air, which was such a game changer for laptop design and weight savings.
 
I look forward to companies telling Intel Mac users to run iPad apps on their Macs, not knowing the difference. 🤣
You can compile iPad apps for Intel processors (people do that all the time), so that should be no problem.
 
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No redesign? No deal.
Happy to buy into the sinking intel ship if the design is finally updated. Would rather buy a high performing 27 inch ARM iMac with new design but I suspect it will be a good while. Sounds like the will enter the market with a more consumer friendly 24 with higher spec 27s next year
 
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beefy score right there - probably worth getting an i7 from this gen with at least 16gb ram / 1 TB SSD especially youre doing something intensive, i'm assuming the price might put it at a point worth considering
 
One of the worst things you could do ever is to take purchasing advise from anyone that doesn't actively purchase the things you are wanting to buy.

Who "actively" purchases iMacs?

Are you suggesting people only get buying advice from people that are buying them constantly each year for institutions or large companies?
 
Then you are in for a huge disappointment.
We have compiled FFmpeg for ARM and did run on the latest iPadPro. Encoding a 2h 4K movie to HEVC did take +2hours. On an Intel i7 (not the fastest) it took less than 20minutes.
The fastest ARM CPU is still way slower compared to a mediocre Intel.
Basically this means Apple silicon will be good for basic things as long it does not need heave pure CPU power. Ofcourse the Metal APIs will use the GPU too, still in general use it will be a lot slower.
That's not a good comparison at all. Even if it had the exact same i7 processor, the iPad Pro would run a task like that at a fraction of the speed because it has no active cooling. If you're going to use words like "pure" and "raw" CPU power, you can't just ignore TDP and cooling system comparisons. Almost all the A12X benchmarks place it very competitively in range of recent intel i5 chips, painting a good picture of what that chip could likely do with good cooling... And that's just a phone chip with a couple extra cores. An 5nm Apple chip with 24W or higher TDP will likely knock the teeth out of intel's recent mobile offerings.
 
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