Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Could Be 5.9mm Thick With No Headphone Jack

[polbit]

I love it - Apple puts nothing but USB-C ports on the Macbook Pros - it's the future! Next phones arrive - lighting port is the future! New iPads arrive - USB-C is the future!

But hey, at least it's thinner. Thank goodness, that's what I always wanted, a thinner iPad.

 

[subjonas]

Wireless headphones don’t work for professional audio/video editing due to the slight delay.

(And delaying video to match the audio only works for playback, not editing.)

I was under the impression Apple wanted to expand professional use of the iPad Pro. The 3.5mm port removal, if true, only diminishes it.

But no matter, Macs still accomplish the job with aplomb. For now.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

If they made it any larger it’d be the iPad Billboard. I have a 12.9 and using it in portrait mode is a nightmare.

Lol, yeah... that’s why I stopped at 10.5”. I was REALLY relieved to hear that they’re shrinking the 12.9” iPad to the size of the 10.5”- I think I’ll finally be able to pull the trigger on the largest size!
I have a 10+ gb comic book collection housed on my iPad & I'm absolutely dying to see it on the “big screen”. =)

 

[ryanwarsaw]

Get lightning headphones, stop being a puss about it.
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Amusement from reading people complain about it being removed

No Apple should base all of their decisions on Canadian made Dash-8 limitations. The user base is always catching flights to Churchill and Yellowknife.

 

[polbit]

What I would like to know is apple’s rationale. They must have thought this through. (And not to “annoy” customers)

So you honestly do not think it is simply to make more money off of BT headphones, since Apple pretty much controls the experience with the W1 chip? We can argue all day long that on the phone it was due to space (even though my Note 9 has no issues having the jack AND bigger battery), but on the iPad? Nope, simple money grab. That Apple can pull it off and make it sound like a good thing is just amazing to me. More power to them for having so much control over the minds of their buyers.

 

[IbisDoc]

Problem solved, for $1.07.

https://www.gearbest.com/chargers-c...Ge58W1JGiRnEJMp6c9dY1xOm6PrilvzxoCocYQAvD_BwE

 

[Analog Kid]

Lol, yeah... that’s why I stopped at 10.5”. I was REALLY relieved to hear that they’re shrinking the 12.9” iPad to the size of the 10.5”- I think I’ll finally be able to pull the trigger on the largest size!

I'm thinking the same. The 12.9" felt way too big, but this might shrink it to something I'm comfortable with and that's a bit better for note taking...

 

[PickUrPoison]

The iPad has more than enough real estate to house the 3.5m. So I see no reason for this.

If the bezel is really only 6mm, then they are too small to house an audio jack, which is about 12mm.

But it seems the bezel actually would be closer to 9mm, if the physical measurements listed are correct. Unless the ppi is no longer 264.

(Also, note this rumor has the display at 11.0” like Kuo and Mac Otakara, which is at odds with the rumor of the resolution seen by Appsee, reported by MR earlier today.)

 

[Abazigal]

Flash has security issues and is a massive energy hog. The comparison doesn't work - offering flash hurts all users. Offering a port does not harm those who are all-in on wireless, it doesn't harm anyone.

Apple is attempting to sell wireless headphones. Customers like wireless headphones and have been buying them long before Apple removed the port. The problem is that wireless isn't a solution for a long list of use cases, mainstream uses cases. No amount of 'nudging third parties' will fix for that. It's an insulting effort, an attempt to tell me that if I endure X amount of pain I get a solution to the problem of Y (note: Y never bothered me).

You can sell wireless headphones while also supporting wired. One does not replace the other; the inherent nature of wireless means that certain trade offs will always exist. They will always have a battery. They will always be more complicated, electronically, than normal, passive 3.55 headphones. They address different use cases. Normal headphones are simple and work all of the time. Wireless headphones do away with the cable, allowing more freedom of movement. But they require charging, add latency and are heavier on account of the battery.

Stop carrying water, stop making absurd arguments. You can have a wireless future and also support users who are not served by that future. It's a port. The device has space for the port. Offer the port. Your argument reads like cult speak, just absolute nonsense with no factual ground.

You are still not seeing the big picture.

The lesson Apple keeps teaching and others keep ignoring is; to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack. Here’s a laptop with only usb c ports.

It’s not about removing the headphone jack for removal’s sake, but about what succeeds it. This is what happens when you are a company which puts design above engineering.

Apple wants to push everyone towards wireless. Maybe it’s partly motivated by headphone profits, but I believe it’s more due to Apple having a vision of how they want their devices to be used, and them believing strongly enough in this vision to make the tough calls it takes to turn this vision into reality.

You can’t usher in a new world order without first doing away with the current one. Apple perhaps understands this better than any other tech company out there.

 

[UltimateSyn]

That's over 17% volume reduction for the 12.9"!

 

[AppleHaterLover]

You are still not seeing the big picture.

The lesson Apple keeps teaching and others keep ignoring is; to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack. Here’s a laptop with only usb c ports.

It’s not about removing the headphone jack for removal’s sake, but about what succeeds it. This is what happens when you are a company which puts design above engineering.

Apple wants to push everyone towards wireless. Maybe it’s partly motivated by headphone profits, but I believe it’s more due to Apple having a vision of how they want their devices to be used, and them believing strongly enough in this vision to make the tough calls it takes to turn this vision into reality.

You can’t usher in a new world order without first doing away with the current one. Apple perhaps understands this better than any other tech company out there.

Man if you’re not on Apple’s payroll you should be!!!

Ushering in a new world order = axing the headphone jack.

Holy Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

 

[Abazigal]

From the quote provided in the article "Of course no headphone jack on the upcoming new iPad. 5.9mm thickness is pretty good though. - CoinCoin (@coiiiiiiiin)"

WHY is 5.9 mm pretty good? Is having a flimsy body with a smaller battery somehow a desirable feature?

A thinner and lighter device is a more portable device. As a teacher who walks around the classroom with an iPad Pro in hand, any reductions in size and weight are always welcome.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

Wireless headphones don’t work for professional audio/video editing due to the slight delay.

(And delaying video to match the audio only works for playback, not editing.)

I was under the impression Apple wanted to expand professional use of the iPad Pro. The 3.5mm port removal, if true, only diminishes it.

But no matter, Macs still accomplish the job with aplomb. For now.

Man... if ONLY there was some possible easy, simple, cheap way to use 3.5mm headphones over lightning. Ugh. This seems insurmountable! Whatever will we do??!! I wish there were literally tens of millions of little teeny, unobtrusive adapters floating around all over the place. If only almost every single one of us had at least one of these at the house. If only you could get such an an item.
*sigh* Sadly, no such item exists & we’ll all have to just deal w/ audio delay, or buy a Mac.

No, wait.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

Man if you’re not on Apple’s payroll you should be!!!

Ushering in a new world order = axing the headphone jack.

Holy Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

Yes he speaks a bit more eloquently and has reasonable points. He could actually work for Apple. It's nice to see a poster that is here as an Apple enthusiast to help drag the forum above some of the more pathetic immature whining of the selfish and uninformed.

 

[LauraJean]

Maybe there's a good reason the 3.5mm jack has been around for so long and shouldn't be replaced just for the sake of replacing it (and selling expensive headphones).

I agree. The jack has become universal, like the socket for a light bulb.

 

[Perene]

Flash has security issues and is a massive energy hog. The comparison doesn't work - offering flash hurts all users. Offering a port does not harm those who are all-in on wireless, it doesn't harm anyone.

Apple is attempting to sell wireless headphones. Customers like wireless headphones and have been buying them long before Apple removed the port. The problem is that wireless isn't a solution for a long list of use cases, mainstream uses cases. No amount of 'nudging third parties' will fix for that. It's an insulting effort, an attempt to tell me that if I endure X amount of pain I get a solution to the problem of Y (note: Y never bothered me).

You can sell wireless headphones while also supporting wired. One does not replace the other; the inherent nature of wireless means that certain trade offs will always exist. They will always have a battery. They will always be more complicated, electronically, than normal, passive 3.55 headphones. They address different use cases. Normal headphones are simple and work all of the time. Wireless headphones do away with the cable, allowing more freedom of movement. But they require charging, add latency and are heavier on account of the battery.

Stop carrying water, stop making absurd arguments. You can have a wireless future and also support users who are not served by that future. It's a port. The device has space for the port. Offer the port. Your argument reads like cult speak, just absolute nonsense with no factual ground.

Not to mention the fact more wireless = less health, as explained ad nauseam in the thread below and many scientific studies on EMF:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/airpods-and-headache-ear-pain.2022765/

Even before I became aware of this point I thought the Airpods sucked big time. No way it lasted the "5 hours in a single charge" promised. Quick to recharge, but there were times I had to do it 2-3 times in a single day, since if you remove them from the charger case they will broadcast all the time. Then there are differences in audio quality between different headphones (and other aspects like comfort).

Apple is all about removing choices, not creating them (where's mouse support?).

All these changes are not done to benefit anyone, only for them to profit selling their overpriced BT headphones.

How about improving the pitiful 10 hours * all batteries from all devices have since at least... one decade?

* When the device is brand new. After a year and (for example) 10-14% degradation this is reduced to 8.5 hours. If you watch videos it will last less in a single charge, and if only use a browser or read ebooks it may perhaps surpass these 10 hours. It also depends of your settings - more brightness (among other things) will waste more battery.

No one discusses this shortcoming and over time we are not even able to use that much, with Apple's planned obsolescence or sheer incompetence in these iOS versions that don't work properly in all devices they offer these updates.

I think we have achieved a new low in the human species: no one cares about how much it can use a device and is a lot more concerned about a ridiculous difference in thickness and trying so hard to justify Apple's greediness.

It's all about how the iPAD or iPhone are going to look like, no one cares about real improvements.

If Apple decides to remove the headphone jack I'll be glad to know the IPP 10.5 is indeed my last.

 

[BlargKing]

You are still not seeing the big picture.

The lesson Apple keeps teaching and others keep ignoring is; to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack. Here’s a laptop with only usb c ports.

It’s not about removing the headphone jack for removal’s sake, but about what succeeds it. This is what happens when you are a company which puts design above engineering.

Apple wants to push everyone towards wireless. Maybe it’s partly motivated by headphone profits, but I believe it’s more due to Apple having a vision of how they want their devices to be used, and them believing strongly enough in this vision to make the tough calls it takes to turn this vision into reality.

You can’t usher in a new world order without first doing away with the current one. Apple perhaps understands this better than any other tech company out there.

Yeah but usually its to push something that is a decidedly better system. Theres a lot of drawbacks to bluetooth in comparison to wired. Each persons use case will be different, for some wired is a must, for some wireless is a must.

Having a 3.5mm jack gives people the option to use what works best of them. Removing it forces people to use cumbersome solutions to keep using what works best for them. On the iPhone its somewhat justifiable because of space constraints, but on a big tablet, especially a "pro" tablet, it makes no sense.

 

[Icaras]

You are still not seeing the big picture.

The lesson Apple keeps teaching and others keep ignoring is; to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack. Here’s a laptop with only usb c ports.

It’s not about removing the headphone jack for removal’s sake, but about what succeeds it. This is what happens when you are a company which puts design above engineering.

Apple wants to push everyone towards wireless. Maybe it’s partly motivated by headphone profits, but I believe it’s more due to Apple having a vision of how they want their devices to be used, and them believing strongly enough in this vision to make the tough calls it takes to turn this vision into reality.

You can’t usher in a new world order without first doing away with the current one. Apple perhaps understands this better than any other tech company out there.

Well said. Couldn’t agree more. Apple forges ahead into the future, as they’ve always done. Any heat that comes their way is just small talk. Big ideas require big, bold changes.

 

[Abazigal]

Man if you’re not on Apple’s payroll you should be!!!

Ushering in a new world order = axing the headphone jack.

Holy Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

Like I said, look beyond the here and now. Focus not so much on the removal of the headphone jack in itself, but on what Apple is trying to accomplish here, and the long-term ramifications of such a move.

Apple’s not a very hard company to read.

 

[MTW]

You are still not seeing the big picture.

The lesson Apple keeps teaching and others keep ignoring is; to create true meaningful change in a market you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack. Here’s a laptop with only usb c ports.

It’s not about removing the headphone jack for removal’s sake, but about what succeeds it. This is what happens when you are a company which puts design above engineering.

Apple wants to push everyone towards wireless. Maybe it’s partly motivated by headphone profits, but I believe it’s more due to Apple having a vision of how they want their devices to be used, and them believing strongly enough in this vision to make the tough calls it takes to turn this vision into reality.

You can’t usher in a new world order without first doing away with the current one. Apple perhaps understands this better than any other tech company out there.

There is no big picture here. Nothing is stopped by offering the port. You can do all the fancy wireless stuff while still offering the port. That is just simple fact, and arguments from the other side read like cult speak.

It's not that I don't 'see' the bizarre argument you are making, it's that I reject it as a way functional adults should think.

 

[kazmac]

Does this ASK make my stupidly thin 2018 iPad Pro look & feel fat?!?
/s

No?
It was the headphone jack and Apple removed that too?!?
/s

 

[0924487]

Send out the October event invites already, Apple!

 

[I7guy]

So you honestly do not think it is simply to make more money off of BT headphones,...

I showed them. I bought a no-name brand of BT headphones with my purchase of Bose QC ii. So going by that rational, Apple must have a piece of the bluetooth industry.

We can argue all day long that on the phone it was due to space (even though my Note 9 has no issues having the jack AND bigger battery), but on the iPad? Nope, simple money grab. That Apple can pull it off and make it sound like a good thing is just amazing to me. More power to them for having so much control over the minds of their buyers.

Seems like the consolation prize is the Note 9. However, apple must be amazing to control all of their buyers to hit a magical number such as $1T.

 

[PickUrPoison]

There is no big picture here. Nothing is stopped by offering the port. You can do all the fancy wireless stuff while still offering the port. That is just simple fact, and arguments from the other side read like cult speak.

It's not that I don't 'see' the bizarre argument you are making, it's that I reject it as a way functional adults should think.

Won’t the bezels be too small to house a headphone jack? I would hate to see a notch just to accommodate a headphone jack.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

There is no big picture here. Nothing is stopped by offering the port. You can do all the fancy wireless stuff while still offering the port. That is just simple fact, and arguments from the other side read like cult speak.

It's not that I don't 'see' the bizarre argument you are making, it's that I reject it as a way functional adults should think.

You can't force the issue if you still offer the port. that is the basic essence of getting rid of it. Like the optical drives back in the day.

It doesn't hurt when you have wireless headphones you sell at a huge margin.