Upcoming Apple Vision Pro Could Get More Comfortable 'Dual Knit Band'

[richinaus]

For people who do things alone, sure. I like to watch movies with family and friends, personally.

Depends - I am happy to watch a tv film with family, but also quite enjoy watching certain films on my own, rather than hearing commentary / being nagged / told the film is crap / I dont like SciFi etc.

Also I think it may depend how old you are, as I never watch movies with friends at home - cinema is different.

 

[richinaus]

We definitely agree there; I am worried about the report that work is stalled on the Air (though I think people underestimate how difficult of a task the Air is as a product but seperate discussion). And yes visionOS needs help. How will that platform grow in usefulness and size and appeal?… well it won’t be from third party devs. Apple needs to solve the classic chicken and egg problem by building value themselves to further justify the price out of the box.

In my opinion they have done very little for devs or certainly not enough or close to what Meta does. It's far far easier to develop for Meta. Look at it this way - you can buy the quest for far cheaper, use a free version of Unity to create for it, and Meta provide a full suite of tools for Unity to develop with. Apple charge a fortune for the headset, needs another expensive cable, have no roadmap [as ever], you need to use a paid version of Unity and there are no similar tools as Meta have to assist in developing. And people wonder why we dont see much............ I would have been creating months ago for the VP if they had made it more accessible - I need to invest about AU$8-9k for the VP just to start, where as the Quest is AU$700. its a no brainer.

 

[maflynn]

Who is this product even for?

Apple is trying to figure that out

 

[maflynn]

Glasses wont give you the immersive content that promote so much and good viewing 4h hdr movies, that’s the whole selling point of the Vision Pro; glasses is a complete different product

Most people just want to watch a movie with their a date, a significant other, their kids. Apple VR headset precludes that. spending 3,500 just for an immersive experience is a silly reason to justify the headset and is one reason why sales have been lack luster.

 

[Canubis]

The EU, via the DMA, has said that Apple can avoid the Apple Vision Pro from being a gatekeeper device by offering it in less than 3 member countries. France and Germany count as 2. So, as long as the DMA is still in effect, offering it to France and Germany only suits their needs. Most of the sales in the EU go to France and Germany anyway, and folks not from there that REALLY want it, just use one of those Apple ID’s.

Do you have any more details or references on this, where such has actually been said by representatives by the EU or Apple?
I simply don't buy the theory yet the DMA being the reason for the non-availability of Vision Pro 1 in other EU countries. Also it's the same situation with other countries outside the EU, where the Vision is not yet available.

For now it just seems like a typical staged rollout as Apple often does with new products. We've seen this with the original Homepod and some Apple Watch models (Titanium edition) that over the years were only available in some markets. And first versions of the iPhone and Watch I believe were initially also only available in some of the keys markets.
I feel this has more to do with Apple wanting to getting the distribution right and wanting full control over the rollout and user experience there.
Plus I can only imagine (working in the content industry myself) probably also with content licensing when it comes to movies and tv shows, App Store, AppleTV and Arcade, i.e. 3D handsets can likely be considered something completely different than a phone or tablet and (some) rights for the Vision Pro need to be re-negotiated for each country. And realistically that effort might just not be worth it, at least for a v1 product.

 

[Johnstrass2]

Who is this product even for?

PROSUMERS

 

[maflynn]

Maybe for you. But you don't speak for everyone. More people here are making declarative statements as if they were everyone's truth. I still enjoy using it.

It seems his opinion is speaking for many
Apple Vision Pro's High Price Led to Low Sales, Experts Say
Apple reportedly ceases Vision Pro production amid sluggish sales

The consensus, is that a 3,500 dollar headset that is causes headches and neck pain, lack of apps, and fails to address any specific problem equates to low sales.

PROSUMERS

Please expound upon what you mean by saying prosumers.

 

[citysnaps]

I agree, though we don’t know what these rumors - and that’s all they are at this point - mean for the long-term future of the AVP.

What always gets me in any post about the device is the people who jump in with snide exaggerated remarks about how few were sold or who refuse to acknowledge legitimate use cases.

When I got mine shortly after it was released, I was drawn in by the immersive experience and potential, some of which required significant visionOS updates to realize. But along the way, the AVP has become an integral part of my entertainment and work lives.

As I’ve stated in other threads, there are things I can’t duplicate with any other Apple hardware. Looking at panoramic shots is just one example, to the point that I capture them much more often now. Watching movies and TV while flying is another.

It’s not a status symbol - I don’t care what others think - and it’s not isolating. I don’t use my AVP when I can enjoy content with my family and friends.

Is the AVP expensive? Yes, but very much worth it to me, as was my first Mac in 1984. Could it be made more comfortable? Absolutely, though I routinely use it for hours at a time. But, no matter what happens, I have no regrets.

Well said. Thank you for your assessment! It's great getting feedback from an actual AVP *owner* and daily user.

Sadly, in order to get an everyday feel-good boost of knocking Apple (a forum tradition), many people latch on to mere rumors as if they were gospel handed down from heaven up above. Followed by snide remarks.

"It’s not a status symbol"

Apple products, especially iPhones and now AVP, being "status symbols" is a shop-worn lazy cudgel and always rolled out when someone doesn't like a product (without actually using it). I guess that's easier than putting a few minutes into creating a thoughtful argument backed by personal use and observation.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Well said. Thank you for your assessment! It's great getting feedback from an actual AVP *owner*.

Sadly, in order to get an everyday feel-good boost of knocking Apple (a forum tradition), many people latch on to mere rumors as if they were gospel handed down from heaven up above. Followed by snide remarks.

"It’s not a status symbol"

Apple products, especially iPhones and now AVP, being "status symbols" is a shop-worn lazy cudgel and always rolled out when someone doesn't like a product. I guess that's easier than putting a few minutes into creating a thoughtful argument backed by personal use and observation.

Why talk about other forum posters/groups of people?

Can we just focus on the topics and our opinions of those?

 

[citysnaps]

Why are you always talking about other forum posters so much?
How about just talking about the topics?

I'm grateful that real and daily AVP users are weighing in with their long term observations. That's *useful* information. Much better than mere conjecture from people that have never even tried one out and reflexively pan it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I'm grateful that real and daily AVP users are weighing in with their long term observations. Much better than mere conjecture from people that have never even tried one out and reflexively pan it.

It's a mistake to just assume what experience people have with every product (or not).

I'd also add that commentary about products does not require being a current or former user.

With AVP, many have tried it, owned it, sold it, or just watched from the side.
All viewpoints there are valid.

 

[citysnaps]

It's a mistake to just assume what experience people have with every product.

No, it's not. Roller has a good track record. I'm OK if you don't value the opinions of real owners who use an Apple product daily, especially AVP, relating their personal experiences.

For me, that's valuable information.

 

[maflynn]

Much better than mere conjecture from people that have never even tried one out and reflexively pan it.

This line of argument is really a logical fallacy. Attacking the circumstance of the speaker (ownership status) instead of addressing the actual merits of their argument. Instead of trying to say non-owner opinions don't matter, why not discuss why we stated our opinions.

 

[citysnaps]

This line of argument is really a logical fallacy. Attacking the circumstance of the speaker (ownership status) instead of addressing the actual merits of their argument. Instead of trying to say non-owners opinions don't matter, why not discuss why we stated our opinions.

I prefer getting Apple product assessments, whether good or bad, from actual owners who have a track record of using the product.

 

[maflynn]

I prefer getting Apple product assessments, whether good or bad, from actual owners who have a track record of using the product.

You are free to do so, and I understand your logic, but its a fine line to only gather buying advice from owners to then saying other people who don't own it should not offer their opinions or criticisms.

 

[citysnaps]

You are free to do so, and I understand your logic, but its a fine line to only gather buying advice from owners to then saying other people who don't own it should not offer their opinions or criticisms.

I have no problem with others who have never even tried an AVP, but still want to voice their opinion.

But being a potential future AVP owner/user someday, I'll go for the people who own one and have been using it everyday for a long period of time. And are willing to discuss the pros and cons.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Imagine if we couldn't have opinions about Apple unless we personally worked there.

Be pretty odd (and limiting).

 

[citysnaps]

Imagine if we couldn't have opinions about Apple unless we personally worked there.

Be pretty odd (and limiting).

That would be silly. Assessing an Apple product based solely on the opinions of a person working at Apple makes little sense.

As a potential AVP purchaser, I'll go with people that actually own an AVP and have been using it for a good period of time and are willing to discuss the pros/cons via their personal experience.

 

[tomtad]

Still can’t believe Apple launched this $3.5k heavy face computer

 

[thefrost]

Increase the price to $7500 and sell 500 pieces as limited edition. Otherwise it will be hard to sell 100 units.

Maybe they could do a $20,000 Vision Pro Edition, in gold or ceramic.

That is extremely affordable. /s

 

[Scipster]

Watched the latest Mission Impossible on it last night - I’m always mind blown by how spectacular this technology is.

I used the SoloTop mod to add a second solo knit band, which was more comfortable than a single solo knit band, but switched to Belkin’s additional headstrap when that was released. The solo knit band + Belkin hand band with the wide light seal is by far the most comfortable setup. Can easily watch a 2hr+ without any pressure on the head/face.

 

[maflynn]

But being a potential future AVP owner/user someday,

Honest question. Since you stated you're considering the purchase. What problem, or issue does the AVP solve for you to be considering?

My neighbor's son owns a VR headset (the facebook one maybe?) and he uses that every day, but I think he's mostly just playing games