Upcoming Apple Vision Pro Could Get More Comfortable 'Dual Knit Band'

[turbineseaplane]

@JOLoughlin

All fair points!
We just don't know ...

Again, just going off current reporting.
Obviously time will tell.

Like I said, I know how frustrating this can be (as a Mini phone user) to be in a niche, especially with how current Apple treats users & products that are in niche land.

Here's my final main comment on this.

It's pretty much agreed on, I think, that AVP needs to get a bit more comfortable and lighter and ideally less expensive.

That was the "Air" model, that they apparently have stopped work on.

That's not a good sign as the platform really needs more users and interest to get the flywheel going on Dev interest.

Would you agree with that last point at least?

 

[JOLoughlin]

@JOLoughlin

All fair points!
We just don't know ...

Again, just going off current reporting.
Obviously time will tell.

Like I said, I know how frustrating this can be (as a Mini phone user) to be in a niche, especially with how current Apple treats users & products that are in niche land.

Here's my final main comment on this.

It's pretty much agreed on, I think, that AVP needs to get a bit more comfortable and lighter and ideally less expensive.

That was the "Air" model, that they apparently have stopped work on.

That's not a good sign as the platform really needs more users and interest to get the flywheel going on Dev interest.

Would you agree with that last point at least?

We definitely agree there; I am worried about the report that work is stalled on the Air (though I think people underestimate how difficult of a task the Air is as a product but seperate discussion). And yes visionOS needs help. How will that platform grow in usefulness and size and appeal?… well it won’t be from third party devs. Apple needs to solve the classic chicken and egg problem by building value themselves to further justify the price out of the box.

 

[turbineseaplane]

We definitely agree there; I am worried about the report that work is stalled on the Air (though I think people underestimate how difficult of a task the Air is as a product but seperate discussion). And yes visionOS needs help. How will that platform grow in usefulness and size and appeal?… well it won’t be from third party devs. Apple needs to solve the classic chicken and egg problem by building value themselves to further justify the price out of the box.

I'm personally pretty bummed that they apparently have shelved work on the Air version, as that is the one I was most likely to be interested in. 😕

 

[Kidseeghost]

I don’t know why you think all of this. The Mac Pro exists the Pro Display XDR exists they are in the same class.


Sidenote I never understood what “lifestyle” product meant in regard to Apple. MacBook Pro, iPhone Pro, Apple Watch, Vision Pro & iPad Pro I view them all as tools.

Of course, they have some professional tools like the display and the Mac Pro, but that's not their main business. Since the iMac and iPod days, Apple has established itself as a lifestyle company and not as an professional tools company. Also why they target the creative market. Because beign creative is cool. That's why the iPhone is the most popular phone among young people, or why people buy the Pro iPhone instead of the regular one. Its a status symbol and they wanted the VP to become exacly that. A lifestyle product is an item that goes beyond its pure functionality by embodying a particular lifestyle, aesthetic, or personal identity and is intended to appeal to buyers emotionally. These products help consumers express their identity and associate with like minded communities through marketing and the choice of materials and design.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I don't understand why Apple started taking glasses seriously now, after the Meta announcement.

That’s the part that’s the biggest “hubbawha?” of this. The Meta announcement was a comedy of errors. No one watched “that” and was like “THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO!” Apple staffs up for hardware development and, once those difficult hardware related questions have been suitably answered, they move those folks to other projects. The ones where they need to start sorting out hardware problems for the NEXT thing coming to market in 5-10 years.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

The main thing I am really hoping for with this v2 or v1.5 release – please bring it to more markets, e.g. bring it to the full EU. Enable the services and stores of other countries.

The EU, via the DMA, has said that Apple can avoid the Apple Vision Pro from being a gatekeeper device by offering it in less than 3 member countries. France and Germany count as 2. So, as long as the DMA is still in effect, offering it to France and Germany only suits their needs. Most of the sales in the EU go to France and Germany anyway, and folks not from there that REALLY want it, just use one of those Apple ID’s.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

It’s too expensive and it doesn’t do anywhere close to enough to justify its price.
Bumping the chip is not gonna do a thing, nor is a head strap

It’s too expensive for you, yes, but there’s other folks (several in this thread) that it’s not too expensive for and the price was justified for it.

 

[cardfan]

I don’t understand doing just a chip upgrade. Do they think that is going to be enough to get existing users to upgrade? I doubt they will get many more new customers without a significant change. Seems like a wasted opportunity to get rid of that eyesore (EyeSight) and switch materials to make it lighter and cheaper.

I doubt this brings anything significant over the M2 one. The same design and what not prevents it from being what the first one is. Games aren't on the menu. This is fine because gaming kinda sucks on VR for me anyway. Apple's real issue is lack of software and improvements. A real lack of engagement on Apple's part that this form factor could easily support. The app store is still embarrassing as are meaningful vision OS and apple ecosystem adapted for vision pro updates. Apple doesn't know how to be different with this product vs their other products.

 

[turbineseaplane]

It’s too expensive for you, yes, but there’s other folks (several in this thread) that it’s not too expensive for and the price was justified for it.

There are people for whom a Ferrari and Bentley are not too expensive.

It means nothing.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Games aren't on the menu. This is fine because gaming kinda sucks on VR for me anyway.

Games really needed to be on the menu.

Even if it's not something that works for you, it's proven in the market to be THE primary mainstream use case for VR that has stuck.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Opinionss.... "It’s too expensive and it doesn’t do anywhere close to enough to justify its price"

FOR YOU... I've made quite a lot of cash using mine.

People always forget to put the “for me”.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

There are people for whom a Ferrari and Bentley are not too expensive.

It means nothing.

It means that
“It’s too expensive and it doesn’t do anywhere close to enough to justify its price.”
should be written
“It’s too expensive and it doesn’t do anywhere close to enough to justify its price for me. In addition, Ferrari’s and Bentley’s are also too expensive for me.”

 

[cardfan]

not for that price, this thing is a failure from the start. Planning to keep the price the same for a refresh? What a joke. Lower it to $1500, and the Apple Vision 2027 version for regular consumers for $1000 or less. Then maybe.

There's no lowering it to 1500 and still have a device in a condition that customers would want. lol Not with Apple. Even the glasses that Meta has? Expect Apple to double those prices.

Here's the thing, not having AI kills any interest right now in buying these products from Apple or having much excitement.

 

[citysnaps]

Is that all? I remember seeing so many articles back then that the AVP was definitely a consumer-targeted device. It was going to be supply-constrained, have a waiting list a mile long, and be sold out for eons.

And yet when it was released, they were readily-available and suddenly became a developer kit...

400,000 to 450,000 AVPs sold and $1.4+ Billion in additional sales is certainly enough for Apple to further develop AVP Gen 2 going forward. Which is what Apple is doing now.

What cracks me up is so many people here really believed AVP would have had sales volumes similar to iPhone (Apple selling roughy 600,000 units per day), and not understanding AVP is a niche product.

AVP was never intended for the average/typical Apple customer. And Apple never claimed it would be.

 

[Roller]

@JOLoughlin

All fair points!
We just don't know ...

Again, just going off current reporting.
Obviously time will tell.

Like I said, I know how frustrating this can be (as a Mini phone user) to be in a niche, especially with how current Apple treats users & products that are in niche land.

Here's my final main comment on this.

It's pretty much agreed on, I think, that AVP needs to get a bit more comfortable and lighter and ideally less expensive.

That was the "Air" model, that they apparently have stopped work on.

That's not a good sign as the platform really needs more users and interest to get the flywheel going on Dev interest.

Would you agree with that last point at least?

I agree, though we don’t know what these rumors - and that’s all they are at this point - mean for the long-term future of the AVP.

What always gets me in any post about the device is the people who jump in with snide exaggerated remarks about how few were sold or who refuse to acknowledge legitimate use cases.

When I got mine shortly after it was released, I was drawn in by the immersive experience and potential, some of which required significant visionOS updates to realize. But along the way, the AVP has become an integral part of my entertainment and work lives.

As I’ve stated in other threads, there are things I can’t duplicate with any other Apple hardware. Looking at panoramic shots is just one example, to the point that I capture them much more often now. Watching movies and TV while flying is another.

It’s not a status symbol - I don’t care what others think - and it’s not isolating. I don’t use my AVP when I can enjoy content with my family and friends.

Is the AVP expensive? Yes, but very much worth it to me, as was my first Mac in 1984. Could it be made more comfortable? Absolutely, though I routinely use it for hours at a time. But, no matter what happens, I have no regrets.

 

[turbineseaplane]

What always gets me in any post about the device is the people who jump in with snide exaggerated remarks about how few were sold or who refuse to acknowledge legitimate use cases.

Fair but the inverse also happens.

We have reporting on rumors that Apple have moved onto the eyeglasses, shelved the next generation AVP and stopped work on the Air AVP and yet people act like that means nothing.

I mean… there’s at least some fire under that smoke.
We already know it’s not selling great and fanfare has died way down and Dev interest remains super limited, even from Apple on their own Apps!

If one is being objective, it makes sense that Apple may have moved on internally to other concepts they think will work better. That’s a good litmus test for rumors. Does it make sense?

 

[SteveJobs2.0]

New chip, better strap, no pointless eye screen in the front, $500 cheaper. Investment in compelling apps.

That’s what I would do.

 

[turbineseaplane]

New chip, better strap, no pointless eye screen in the front, $500 cheaper. Investment in compelling apps.

That’s what I would do.

$1999 or it's still DOA is my feeling on it.

The problem is that it's not an iPhone or iPad or Mac
It's an extra "thing" for people (for all but the MOST hardcore).

It's just way too expensive for being that type of product.

 

[thebart]

I think I know how Apple can solve the weight distribution problem. This takes immersion to a whole new level! Also protects your head when you fall down due to too much immersion.

 

[Roller]

Fair but the inverse also happens.

We have reporting on rumors that Apple have moved onto the eyeglasses, shelved the next generation AVP and stopped work on the Air AVP and yet people act like that means nothing.

I mean… there’s at least some fire under that smoke.
We already know it’s not selling great and fanfare has died way down and Dev interest remains super limited, even from Apple on their own Apps!

If one is being objective, it makes sense that Apple may have moved on internally to other concepts they think will work better. That’s a good litmus test for rumors. Does it make sense?

You completely missed my point in the excerpt you quoted. It’s about the people who say something like “the 100 people who bought an AVP” or “hahaha” in any AVP thread who are unserious, as are those who can’t or won’t acknowledge legitimate use cases. I thought you weren’t in that camp, but perhaps I was mistaken.

 

[Corpuscle]

It’s too expensive and it doesn’t do anywhere close to enough to justify its price.

Maybe for you. But you don't speak for everyone. More people here are making declarative statements as if they were everyone's truth. I still enjoy using it.

 

[Corpuscle]

You completely missed my point in the excerpt you quoted. It’s about the people who say something like “the 100 people who bought an AVP” or “hahaha” in any AVP thread who are unserious, as are those who can’t or won’t acknowledge legitimate use cases. I thought you weren’t in that camp, but perhaps I was mistaken.

You indeed were mistaken. Over 23,000 posts of Apple hate. I notice he spends his entire day on this forum either directly posting or responding to Apple hate. This is simply a statement of fact, with those facts being obvious to everyone who is interested. When every post is negative, there is NO credibility. But that's the nature of hate and meanness, isn't it?

 

[eifelbube]

Maybe they could do a $20,000 Vision Pro Edition, in gold or ceramic.

… 24-karat pure gold travel pouch, in the spirit of:

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