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rdowns said:
My experience with my 20" iMac is very different. Very quiet and doesn't get very hot. I reach around to the slot on the back a lot to see how hot it is and am surprised that it is not.

As for a better video card, I don't see it happening. The only time my fan ever comes on is with heavy graphics web sites or playing a game. Seems to me the heat problem is video card generated.

Well mine is also pretty quiet, and is hot. Although I just found out that if you boot from a CD and fans go absolutely nuts!

What do you have your G5 Settings at and what kind of things do you do with your iMac?
 
Yeah, fast user switching works on my eMac 1Ghz, which has an older graphics card, at 1280x960. I don't expect it to do too well with all of Tiger's eye candy though.
 
Paul O'Keefe said:
No one has answered or elaborated on this. What is an SMU firmware upgrade?


Anyway, here is my predictions about changes with the iMac revision:
• faster processor (up to 2 GHz) and faster front side bus
• faster optical drive (the same as new powerbooks)
• one firewire 800 port
• gigbit eithernet
• Tiger OS X 10.4
• iLife 2005

And of the new video features of Tiger won't go beyond a need for 64 MB VRAM. Most of the new powerbooks only ship with 64 MB. Heck, I bet the Mac Mini's 32 MB VRAM could use these new effects.

Expect the iMacs to follow whatever technology is used in PowerBooks when it comes to optical drives and graphics capability.

OK:
1. iLife 2005 isn't correct-it's iLife '05
2.FW800-No, as Apple still believes (I have read this somewhere) that FW 800 is not a feature coming to consumer Macs (iMac, iBook, Mac mini,etc).
 
Don't any of you guys think that there are regular people who want a mac just to surf the internet and to send e-mail, maybe listen to a little music while their at it. Maybe they just want to do their homework or right a letter or for that matter even create a presentation. Infact the eMac, which is what I'm talking about, is great for small administrative offices as well. All emplyees in offices need to do, is make documents. And the emac is more than capable of that, all it can't do is play a few games. For only £150 you can put 1gb of ram in it. And their are still people who want CRT's, they have better picture quality. Some people might say that space is of the essence in a office, well the size of 1 emac is way less than the standard dell I am currently using. You'll have; no tower, less cables, no speakers, etc. I'd rather have an emac than the huge dell I am using. And how can people even mention that the mini is here to replace the emac, the mini is only for people on an extremely tight budget, or for people who don't reguire a monitor but need a very small computer. For, example people are now putting computers in there cars to take care of the multimedia, they usually use very small ones, but even they are bigger than the mini, so they could now implement the mini into situations like that. And that thing about 3rd graders and eMacs is right on, Excellent thinking by that person.
 
And 1 more thing. If i was steve, the first thing I would do on any revision, would be to fix any known issues. The PM has noise issues, with audio leaking out when its not supposed to and a PSU issue. The imac is very messed up in terms of reliability. There's loads of buzzing about that on their own forums (punn intended), hence theres loads fan noises and "shuttle taking of sound fx", they are not as quiet as they're ssaid to be. Although I haven't experienced these, but there's lots of complaints. (I should mention that I don't own one, but I didn't hear it in any stores i went to). Also the latest metal LCD displays have colourfull stripes around the edges, I have heard the following; shade of pink, yellow band, orange band, dead pixels. And apple monitors aren't cheap and they are supposed to be best known for their graphics performance and picture quality and stuff like that. And at the prices of the minotors they should a have a reputation like that. So here are just some of the issues apple or Steve Rather needs to accept and fix them, no shortcuts or anything, if he has to he should replace all faulty ones, that have been sold to date.
 
The Black Rock said:
2.0 Ghz
1.0 Ghz bus
512 MB RAM (1 chip)
128 MB VRAM
Bluetooth 2.0 BTO
8x SD
Maybe 1 Firewire 800 port
Video in/Video out
iLife '05

anything else?

Looks good, but I can almost guarantee a 2Ghz iMac will have a 667Mhz FSB on it and not the 1Ghz like the PowerMac has.
 
Refurbished iMac pricing

Has anyone else noticed that in the last two weeks the price has droped on refurbished iMac's twice. A few weeks ago it was sitting at $1699 for the 20' iMac, which is where it had always been. Then about a week ago they dropped it to $1649, and now this week to $1599. Sounds like they are trying to clear out the old to get ready for the new. :D
 
danielwsmithee said:
Has anyone else noticed that in the last two weeks the price has droped on refurbished iMac's twice. A few weeks ago it was sitting at $1699 for the 20' iMac, which is where it had always been. Then about a week ago they dropped it to $1649, and now this week to $1599. Sounds like they are trying to clear out the old to get ready for the new. :D
Where are these prices from??
 
Hi, I am a owner of a PC who is getting tired of all the problems with Windows, even XP. I have decided that the next computer I get will be a Mac but not until my current computer becomes something of an antique; paid dearly for it. Any guesses as to when Apple maybe coming out with their G6s? The only complaint I have with the Macs at this time, is that for the premium price Apple charges, one would not expect to see bottom of the line graphic cards as standard, and non-replaceable on most models. Hope this situation will change when the G6s will come out.
I am one of those who much prefer a CTR screen over any flat monitor when it comes to reading text (different story when it comes to graphics). My eyes go buggy trying to read anything on a LCD screen. I hope Apple will keep and improve on the eMacs. I like the fact that it is an affordable all-in-one unit with a CTR screen; minimum of clutter with wires.
 
kenneth said:
I am a owner of a PC who is getting tired of all the problems with Windows, even XP. I have decided that the next computer I get will be a Mac but not until my current computer becomes something of an antique, paid dearly for it. Any guess when Apple will be coming out with their G6s? The only complaint I have with the Macs at this time, is that for the premium price Apple charges for their machines, one would not expect to see bottom of the line graphic cards as standard, and non-replaceable on most models. Hope this situation will change when the G6s will come out.

I think before we see a G6 we'll be seeing things such as higher speed G5s, dual-core G5s, those Cell processors IBM is working on, etc. etc. But, I guess whether Apple decides to brand one of those technologies as a G6 is up to them. I wouldn't hold out just for a G6 "just because it's a G6" - that's rather arbitrary. There will always be something new and great, and better coming down the road, so it's easy to get caught up in the waiting game and never end up being satisfied or making a purchase!

As for premium, I hear what you're saying, but keep in mind there are a lot of other factors at play as well - Macs have greater longevity and useful lives than PCs, thus figuring into the price, they are more stable, allowing you to be more productive (in general), they have a higher resale value, they come with OS X which is superior to Windows IMO, and they also come with iLife included, which would cost you a fair bit of money for the same level of apps on a PC. There are many other reasons too, but a person needs to keep all these things in mind when looking at the price of a Mac.
 
~Shard~ said:
I think before we see a G6 we'll be seeing things such as higher speed G5s, dual-core G5s, those Cell processors IBM is working on, etc. etc. But, I guess whether Apple decides to brand one of those technologies as a G6 is up to them. I wouldn't hold out just for a G6 "just because it's a G6" - that's rather arbitrary. There will always be something new and great, and better coming down the road, so it's easy to get caught up in the waiting game and never end up being satisfied or making a purchase!

As for premium, I hear what you're saying, but keep in mind there are a lot of other factors at play as well - Macs have greater longevity and useful lives than PCs, thus figuring into the price, they are more stable, allowing you to be more productive (in general), they have a higher resale value, they come with OS X which is superior to Windows IMO, and they also come with iLife included, which would cost you a fair bit of money for the same level of apps on a PC. There are many other reasons too, but a person needs to keep all these things in mind when looking at the price of a Mac.

Good advice....
 
No eMacs in my Apple store!!

Yep, they are all GONE... though they said that it was discontinued there, another said it was "being repaired..." they kept the "stand thingy" there though...
 
Platform said:
Yes this is a very good option, would like it very much.
But would the raise the FSB to 1/2 of the speed :confused:

Abercrombieboy said:
Looks good, but I can almost guarantee a 2Ghz iMac will have a 667Mhz FSB on it and not the 1Ghz like the PowerMac has.

I'm afraid that you might be right. Though we all would prefer a 1:2 FSB ratio on our future iMacs, I'm sure Apple would come up with some reason to deny us of it; probably citing some heat or electrical consumption issue.

The iMac G5 has been one of the best selling products Apple has ever had, and I'm fairly certain that they lose nothing on any part in the machine. Taking profits for all components from the beginning (assuming small or no losses), and considering the natural depreciation in their value with time (as is usually the case when it comes to computers), we can deduce that the greatest profit margins for the iMac G5 would be just before a product revision.

My hope is that the large profits they've been taking in over the last few quarters (thanks to us, the consumers) would result in an investment in the best that can be reasonably had by us. I'm not sure if the sales of the iMac G5 have slowed yet; if they have, has Apple concluded that the slowing is due to the natural drop-off after Christmas or people finding better products for the money? If they see that sales (considering normal fiscal operations) have not slowed they'll be less inclined to do any improvements at all, and continue to make higher and higher profits.

But my hope for an imporved product remains. And I keep my previous estimates as reasonable expectations of what's to come. I doubt that the form factor will change (as others have dubbed it "the Jay Leno Chin"), but the other parts can definitely go. 8x SD shouldn't be a problem as a suitable one exists on the current eMac. A 2.0 Ghz chip is available from the Power Mac line and rumor sites (dubious sources I know...) have stated that a 2.0 Ghz chip has been stable in an iMac G5 for some time now (I'll take that statement to go for heat issues, but it's not solid for the FSB). 512 MB RAM chips could be the most easily done as we now see in the Power Books. Bluetooth 2.0 we can also guess at from the last Power Book release. iLife '05 is a given.

The 128 MB of VRAM and the video in/ video out is the only real mystery, as the GPU bump is damn near necessary (beginning of September '03 release?) but the VI/VO is iffy. Many people have commented on their desire to use the monitor in the iMac for other machines. 128 would be enough to power an external for more than just mirroring, but I don't think they'd gaff their beautiful rear design.

Firewire 800 is a complete toss up. Apple would like to further the intergration of their new standard but I think that so far it's been a failure. The Wiebetech white paper on Firewire 800 and the future of Firewire convinced me of the precariousness. FW might not survive, though it is the absolute best thing out.

Sorry for so many words... :(
 
dotdotdot said:
No eMacs in my Apple store!!

Yep, they are all GONE... though they said that it was discontinued there, another said it was "being repaired..." they kept the "stand thingy" there though...


Tuesday is looking goof for new revs :)
 
~Shard~ said:
Taking a page out of the Windows Help File are ya? "If something goes wrong, reinstall Windows..."
I got a chuckle out of that one.

aafuss1 said:
OK:
1. iLife 2005 isn't correct-it's iLife '05
2.FW800-No, as Apple still believes (I have read this somewhere) that FW 800 is not a feature coming to consumer Macs (iMac, iBook, Mac mini,etc).
I hate to be an pessimist, but I wouldn't be surprised to see FW800 go the way of the dodo bird. I sure hope not, though.

thoroughbred said:
And 1 more thing. If i was steve, the first thing I would do on any revision, would be to fix any known issues.

As opposed to what? Introducing a fresh new batch of problems? ;) (Just kidding. I know what you mean.)

Squire
 
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