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Plymouthbreezer said:
Folks, school NEED eMacs. Let me tell you, an LCD will not last in a classroom full of 3rd graders!! If some adults don't know that LCD's can't be poked, I'm sure as hell most kids don't. ;)

If Mac drops the eMac, they can kiss the education market goodbye.

You say that like it'll hold up any better in a room full of 12th graders. I'm an IT Manager for a public K-12 district and if they pull the eMac I'm going to have to buy Minis and CRTs and security locks to stop them from ending up in back packs. Not something I'm kooking forward too.
 
Goatbert said:
You say that like it'll hold up any better in a room full of 12th graders. I'm an IT Manager for a public K-12 district and if they pull the eMac I'm going to have to buy Minis and CRTs and security locks to stop them from ending up in back packs. Not something I'm kooking forward too.

But is there no way that they can mac the eMac stury and durable with an LCD just give it a big case like the current model ;)
 
Platform said:
But is there no way that they can mac the eMac stury and durable with an LCD just give it a big case like the current model ;)

I hope you're joking. Please please please I hope you're joking...

I only say that because it sounds suspiciously like my business plan to build large couch-sized enclosures for the Mac mini which will prevent them from being stolen, and will also address the design shortcoming which prevents them being used as a comfortable seating device.
 
danielwsmithee said:
Has anyone else noticed that in the last two weeks the price has droped on refurbished iMac's twice. A few weeks ago it was sitting at $1699 for the 20' iMac, which is where it had always been. Then about a week ago they dropped it to $1649, and now this week to $1599. Sounds like they are trying to clear out the old to get ready for the new. :D

i sure did. $1599 for a 20" iMac G5. updates on the way or not, thats one hell of a deal!!! almost pulled the trigger on that but this (1) damned Tiger release, (2) speculation on updated iMac G5 graphics cards, and (3) post-Tiger Ableton Live update have me waiting to see which machine i'll buy.

it will be either a 20" iMac G5, or a dual G5 powermac and a smaller sized 3rd party LCD... the specific details are going to depend on whats available after i receive all 3 pieces of information listed above.

where's the anxious emoticon?
 
Goatbert said:
You say that like it'll hold up any better in a room full of 12th graders. I'm an IT Manager for a public K-12 district and if they pull the eMac I'm going to have to buy Minis and CRTs and security locks to stop them from ending up in back packs. Not something I'm kooking forward too.

Want a cheaper way? How about a few hundred $ for a security camera system? Keep "eyes" (camera) on the minis 24/7 and you'll have any theif on cam.
 
Already predicted the iMac G5 going 2.0GHz for the top end when the rev A was released. Even predicted the month of release.

As for the eMac it might be the last revision either before being taken off the line or going G5. Since it seems the only thing holding the portable line back is the GX chips. :)
 
Squire said:
I got a chuckle out of that one.

Your welcome...

Squire said:
I hate to be an pessimist, but I wouldn't be surprised to see FW800 go the way of the dodo bird. I sure hope not, though.

What do you see replacing it as a means of high speed data transfer?

Squire said:
As opposed to what? Introducing a fresh new batch of problems?

Hey, why not, Microsoft does it... :cool:
 
maya said:
Already predicted the iMac G5 going 2.0GHz for the top end when the rev A was released. Even predicted the month of release.

As for the eMac it might be the last revision either before being taken off the line or going G5. Since it seems the only thing holding the portable line back is the GX chips. :)

Apple will still need hardware that's attractive for the educational market. Certainly if they could do the G5 with the iMac they can with the eMac.
 
eMacs may see a low-end 1.6Ghz G5 across the line. This would seem to be the natural upgrade paths for the somewhat obsolete eMac line. It would be a shame if they continued using G4s, since much of the orders for the chips make way into the Mac minis and iBook line.
 
~Shard~ said:
What do you see replacing it [FW 800] as a means of high speed data transfer?

I dunno. USB 3.0? Ever since the last iPod revision, it seems like USB is Apple's new bitch. In an effort to avoid this, I wish they'd add FW800 ports to every machine they sell. (What percent of Macs sold are equipped with it? Fifteen-percent, maybe?) Despite its superiority, it hasn't seemed to have taken off.

Squire
 
That $1599 reconditioned 20-inch iMac looks mi-i-i-i-ghty tempting. Won't be there long...

If April just brings an OS upgrade and maybe more standard RAM, I wouldn't hold off, cause I can do those myself later.

What makes me hesitate is the possible GPU bump-up. Hmmm, how much does that really matter for what I do?

But on the other hand, this rumor could be wrong and I'll be waiting 'til summer...

Yet if I buy in March I get bonus miles from American Express...

But April brings new GPU?

But it'll be $1899 instead of $1599...

Hmmm.
 
Squire said:
I dunno. USB 3.0? Ever since the last iPod revision, it seems like USB is Apple's new bitch. In an effort to avoid this, I wish they'd add FW800 ports to every machine they sell. (What percent of Macs sold are equipped with it? Fifteen-percent, maybe?) Despite its superiority, it hasn't seemed to have taken off.

Squire[/QUOTE

They need to keep FW800 on the pro lines for at least a couple more generations of com[s. he pro line is all that really needs it. and if you want to know why, think about a firewire mouse. while usb has its fundamental issues, implementing 2.0 was a sound idea..but not pushing firewire...that would be criminal. firewire is pverkill for many tasks right now..but video and audio prosumers and pros use it. i know that if 800 is kept on lines for long enough there will be monster audio interfaces made for it... look up the MOTU HD896 and then think about the fact that it is on FW400.

without hardware that USES F800...it WILL die. but if apple backs out on it before the hardware arrives...
 
Goatbert said:
You say that like it'll hold up any better in a room full of 12th graders. I'm an IT Manager for a public K-12 district and if they pull the eMac I'm going to have to buy Minis and CRTs and security locks to stop them from ending up in back packs. Not something I'm kooking forward too.
Oh I know, high schoolers will just steal 'em! I'm in 9th grade... And most kids my age don't care about other's stuff. How sad.
 
mklos said:
Well mine is also pretty quiet, and is hot. Although I just found out that if you boot from a CD and fans go absolutely nuts!

What do you have your G5 Settings at and what kind of things do you do with your iMac?

Firs time I booted the diagnostic CD, the fans scared the $%^& out of me.

Nothing too heavy, web, iTunes, iPhoto and iDVD mostly. Occasional game where it gets very hot and the fans kick in.
 
To FW800 or not to FW800...

Surreal said:
They need to keep FW800 on the pro lines for at least a couple more generations of com[s. he pro line is all that really needs it. and if you want to know why, think about a firewire mouse. while usb has its fundamental issues, implementing 2.0 was a sound idea..but not pushing firewire...that would be criminal. firewire is pverkill for many tasks right now..but video and audio prosumers and pros use it. i know that if 800 is kept on lines for long enough there will be monster audio interfaces made for it... look up the MOTU HD896 and then think about the fact that it is on FW400.

without hardware that USES F800...it WILL die. but if apple backs out on it before the hardware arrives...

You're sort of supporting my point. If Apple doesn't get going and include it on more machines, hardware manufacturers will exclude it. If they exclude it, Apple might be less inclined to include it in their future products. It's a vicious cycle.

I understand your point in saying only pro models need it but I don't entirely agree. What about external hard drives? For the additional cost/unit, it should be included. (After all, it is backwards compatible, isn't it?) Not doing so is simply a marketing decision aimed at distinguishing one line from another.

Squire
 
rdowns said:
Firs time I booted the diagnostic CD, the fans scared the $%^& out of me.

Nothing too heavy, web, iTunes, iPhoto and iDVD mostly. Occasional game where it gets very hot and the fans kick in.
Today I installed Panther on my iMac G3... Oh god the fans went crazy!! I can only imagen what Tiger would do to it!

With that said, I don't know how well Tiger will really run of a G3 - Exposé works, but all buggy, and fast user swtiching isn't the 3D cube, but it just goes from user to user. If Panther put that much strain on the system, Tiger will only be worse.
 
im a bit surprised that nobody has thought of this yet, maybe its a dumb idea, but seems very Logical to me.

emacs have been removed from apple stores, none in the one here in Denver.

Rumored eMac updates............

Ill bet there is a new form factor coming. I bet a major revision, or at least enough of one that the old ones dont look enough like the new ones that they have to remove them from the learing center.

trout
 
Squire said:
You're sort of supporting my point. If Apple doesn't get going and include it on more machines, hardware manufacturers will exclude it. If they exclude it, Apple might be less inclined to include it in their future products. It's a vicious cycle.

I understand your point in saying only pro models need it but I don't entirely agree. What about external hard drives? For the additional cost/unit, it should be included. (After all, it is backwards compatible, isn't it?) Not doing so is simply a marketing decision aimed at distinguishing one line from another.

Squire

Actually, I don't think it is even backward compatible. Apple's been killing Firewire 800 almost since it's introduction. You really should read that Wiebetech whitepaper. Lemme see if I can find the link...

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Here it goes: http://www.wiebetech.com/pressreleases/firewireevolution.pdf it's a pdf though.
 
FireWire will be around for a long long time.

Apple are working on FW 1600 and have trademarked the name and we might see something intresting in the next PM G5 update.

They could make FW 1600 work on the same connecter as FW800.
 
Intresting article.

End result is very simple.

APPLE GET YOUR ARSE IN GEAR AND SHOVE FW800 IN EVERYTHING!

This would increase the market no end.
 
Even though this is dragging the thread off-topic, I'm mostly hoping for Firewire 3200. Maybe they can skip 1600 entirely and go straight there. Everything could use it. It would be the perfect cord for HD everything! 3.2 Gbps! Incredible.

You wouldn't even need to compress your HD to send 1080p stuff anywhere. I can get a nice RAID setup with 3200 connections, and just go at it for my BRD movies.

:eek:
 
The Black Rock said:
Actually, I don't think it is even backward compatible.

The information on this site (http://discountcablesusa.com/firewire-faq.html) seems to imply that it is.

Bilingual Firewire cables refer to those that have a 9-pin connector on one end, for a 800Mpbs device or port, and an "A" connector, either 6-pin or 4-pin, on the other. FireWire 800 is backwards compatible so if you have a FireWire 800 device but your computer is still FireWire 400, you can still plug and play, although you'll need one of these special cables and you'll miss out on some of the speed of FireWire 800.

There are two types of bilingual cables available for mixing 800 and 400 devices:

9-pin to 6-pin - For connecting a standard FireWire device or computer to an 800Mbps connector.
9-pin to 4-pin - For connecting an 800Mbps device or computer port to a 4-pin connector.


Apple's been killing Firewire 800 almost since it's introduction. You really should read that Wiebetech whitepaper. Lemme see if I can find the link...

Thanks a lot for the link. That was a very interesting read that, unfortunately, confirmed a lot of my fears concerning FW800.

~Shard~ said:
What do you see replacing it as a means of high speed data transfer?

~Shard~, the author of that article (take a look when you get a chance...at least at the conclusion) mentions a few possible technologies. The one he sees as most likely successor is SATA. I'll highlight a couple of the points.

* "For FireWire 800 to have been broadly successful, it should have been promoted as a consumer technology, not as a professional technology. This would have spread costs over many more platforms, and would have allowed FireWire 800 a great chance to become ubiquitous."

* "SATA is a hot technology and is on the upswing."

* "FireWire 400 will continue to retain market share. USB2 will be popular among cost conscious consumers. NAS will offer benefits forsome, but SATA will be the biggest winner, because of its low costs and high performance."

* "FireWire 800 is a great technology which was not supported by great planning or great marketing. It succeeded in its mission to provide a technically superior alternative to FireWire 400, but failed to gain prominence in the market."

Squire
 
Cube transition difficulties

~loserman~ said:
Must be screen resolutions then cause they don't work on my mini.
I'll try a lower resolution.

Yep that was it. It works at 1024x768 mea culpa

My girlfriend uses a lower resolution on my iMac G5 than I do. The cube transition doesn't work between our two user accounts as a result. However, our roommate's account which operates at the same res as mine will complete the transition correctly when going to an account with the same res.
 
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