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It's hard to make the choice of size vs. features, no? I love the SE size but have a feeling the "8" will be too feature-rich to resist. I guess we'll find out soon.
 
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Thought they would expand. And nice for an updated smaller handset for those that prefer them.

I imagine the plant will expand in capability going forward - diversifying Apple's manufacturing. Much like China, India has the population to staff plants like this at low cost. Something America for example can not.

I'd be stunned if this is just going to be a small scale SE only plant for the long term.
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Gotta say, the keeping the existing design is why we have room for such a relatively big battery and awesome battery life. Keep it, so battery life gets even better again...otherwise they'll make it thin and we'll go down to 4.7 inch battery life or worse....

Depending on what you're there's not much difference between the latest 4.7" and the SE.

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Apple usually aims for a minimum use time. If they go thinner I'd expect with other efficiency (such as SoC) you'd still get similar battery life.
 
I want an updated iPhone SE. It should not be treated like a second class citizen or simply a budget phone. Why can't Apple seem to understand there are plenty of us who buy the SE because we don't belong to the phablet craze? We want an updated phone with updated capabilities in the same form factor. I'm not super price sensitive but I don't want large phones. The SE has done well enough, from all appearances, to be treated properly and not as simply a budget phone.

They understand it, it's the reason for which they launched the SE in the first place.
 
I somewhat agree, but I think a redesign would give it independence in the minds of consumers and a new lease of life, both increasing sales.
I think they might feel they need to in order to remove the headphone jack, otherwise the offering would be a phone on the same level as the 7/7s, but with a headphone jack.

Removing the headphone jack would remove one of the biggest selling points, that and the physical home button.
 
The next SE must have 3D Touch. It's an important feature of iOS 11.

3D Touch is a hardware feature, not a software feature that would need to be included in an iOS update.

Edit: misunderstood the OP, however If 3D Touch would be possible on the SE, then it perhaps Apple would include this feature, but given the price point, it would also increase the overall cost the device geared towards its entry level and if the physical limitations are possible with a 4inch display.
 
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Congrats on completely missing or ignoring their point.

They were saying that the next SE should have 3D Touch because iOS 11 really needs the device to have it to work well.

Your sarcasm is unnecessary to contribute to the discussion. It wasn't ignored, I addressed the way I interpreted that posters comment. Furthermore, 3D Touch doesn't "need" iOS 11 to work well, that's completely irrevelant, being one is a hardware feature and iOS 11 is software related.
 
Your sarcasm is unnecessary to contribute to the discussion. It wasn't ignored, I addressed the way I interpreted that posters comment. Furthermore, 3D Touch doesn't "need" iOS 11 to work well, that's completely irrevelant, being one is a hardware feature and iOS 11 is software related.

And you missed my point also.

We are saying that iOS 11 has many features that are dependant on 3D Touch, therefore a new SE should have 3D Touch or it will not be able to use many new features of iOS.
 
3D Touch will not be making it to the SE until the very last possible year. It's one of their key differentiating features. It's possible with the change from the 8 (the 7S and 7S+ will now be secondary non-flag ship devices) that apple tries to make all features below the iPhone 8, mainstream, but apple tends to like dragging things out to milk features and product lines - therefore I would say at least another year or two until 3D touch reaches the bottom tier SE device.

I disagree with that. It's not a "gee whiz" feature anymore. It's needed to reach core functionality of iOS 11. It's not like a faster processor or more storage space. Anyway, two years after introducing it, and on a smaller screen, it really shouldn't be that difficult or expensive to add it to the SE.
 
And you missed my point also.

We are saying that iOS 11 has many features that are dependant on 3D Touch, therefore a new SE should have 3D Touch or it will not be able to use many new features of iOS.


But "We" don't know the physical limitations if 3D Touch is possible on a 4 inch display. Tim Cook commented on how difficult it was to incorporate 3D Touch when the iPhone 6S launched. Perhaps they would include it, but then again, including 3D Touch on iPhone SE may or may not be possible.

Furthermore, to keep the iPhone SE affordable, 3D Touch would increase likely the price point. The iPhone SE is meant to be an entry-level iPhone, and incorporating that hardware feature would further the overall cost.
 
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And you missed my point also.

We are saying that iOS 11 has many features that are dependant on 3D Touch, therefore a new SE should have 3D Touch or it will not be able to use many new features of iOS.

I think it's just a misunderstanding and now he's feeling a little miffed at your tone is all and so is defensive about his misread.:rolleyes:

To the point itself, I think it's a good one: I've flirted with getting an SE, but if a new model comes out and doesn't have 3D Touch, I may have to pass on it, especially if iOS 11 leverages 3D Touch even more.

Even in iOS 10, I've already become so used to 3D Touch that I find myself fumbling when I use my iPad: sometimes I'm pressing in on a notification and wondering why it isn't doing anything :D....

Funny thing is, I hated it and disabled it when it was first introduced. :rolleyes:
 
I think it's just a misunderstanding and now he's feeling a little miffed at your tone is all and so is defensive about his misread.:rolleyes:

To the point itself, I think it's a good one: I've flirted with getting an SE, but if a new model comes out and doesn't have 3D Touch, I may have to pass on it, especially if iOS 11 leverages 3D Touch even more.

Even in iOS 10, I've already become so used to 3D Touch that I find myself fumbling when I use my iPad: sometimes I'm pressing in on a notification and wondering why it isn't doing anything :D....

Funny thing is, I hated it and disabled it when it was first introduced. :rolleyes:

Perhaps I may have missed interpreted that post, but yes, 3D Touch is a feature that I use all the time and it's highly convenient that makes a shortcut for opening the whole application versus certain parts you want to access. I also would like to see the iPhone SE incorporate 3D Touch, but again, I question the price point influx, Apple intended it for an entry-level iPhone and India's market. I also question if it's physically possible with a display of that size.
 
Furthermore, to keep the iPhone SE affordable, 3D Touch would increase likely the price point. The iPhone SE is meant to be is entry-level iPhone, and incorporating that hardware feature would further the overall cost.

Sorry for being snarky, you are right it doesn't add to the discussion.

I would agree that it was originally envisioned as a entry-level, low-cost, option, but that many many people are buying them because they prefer the form factor and design of the SE. And if Apple hasn't realized that yet, or ignores it, they are leaving lots of money on the table by artificially gimping it.
 
And you missed my point also.

We are saying that iOS 11 has many features that are dependant on 3D Touch, therefore a new SE should have 3D Touch or it will not be able to use many new features of iOS.


You don't need 3D touch to get all the 3'D touch related functions. Long press seems worked well. At least for control center and other areas.

Also bunch of Android lunchers and Android phone has shown software emulation has worked just fine.

To me whether 3D touch hardware is present or not is irrelevant to me. The first thing I would do when I setup iPhone is disable 3D Touch. Very annoying.
 
I disagree with that. It's not a "gee whiz" feature anymore. It's needed to reach core functionality of iOS 11. It's not like a faster processor or more storage space. Anyway, two years after introducing it, and on a smaller screen, it really shouldn't be that difficult or expensive to add it to the SE.

It's not about the cost with Touch ID. It's about product differentiation. Also, in iOS they removed some 3D touch requirements for things like opening up notifications from lock screen, etc. Which means they're more likely to keep away from integrating that in the SE rather than adding it.
 
I would agree that it was originally envisioned as a entry-level, low-cost, option, but that many many people are buying them because they prefer the form factor and design of the SE. And if Apple hasn't realized that yet, or ignores it, they are leaving lots of money on the table by artificially gimping it.

I do see the iPhone SE being updated within 2018. If they do update the iPhone SE in 2018, as much as I would like to see 3D Touch, I don't think Apple will include it. Mainly because to keep the affordability factor in place. I see the iPhone SE possibly receiving an upgraded chassis, a higher resolution display, and perhaps the Haptic home button. Whatever improvements they make, it will likely be incremental.
 
I don't see them releasing another phone without 3D Touch. At this point it will be a feature well over two years old and shouldn't really play into "cost cutting" scenarios when the OS it launches with is made clearly better by said feature.
 
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i bought the new 128gb space gray iphone today. downgraded from my 128gb jet black ip7. love it. it's so much more pocketable, and i always loved the shape of the 4 and 5. i primarily bought the ip7 for the front facing camera for holiday selfies, but i recently bought a sony rx100 v which has a flip up screen and it's an amazing camera so i no longer need it. will definitely get the next se iteration when it comes out.
 
I somewhat agree, but I think a redesign would give it independence in the minds of consumers and a new lease of life, both increasing sales.
I think they might feel they need to in order to remove the headphone jack, otherwise the offering would be a phone on the same level as the 7/7s, but with a headphone jack.

I really prefer the SE design over the 6 and newer models. It's thin enough, the camera doesn't protrude and it doesn't slip out of your hand like a bar of soap.
And You don't have to buy a whole new case when switching models.

I really hope it remains the way it is.
 
To me whether 3D touch hardware is present or not is irrelevant to me. The first thing I would do when I setup iPhone is disable 3D Touch. Very annoying.

I actually have a 7 and have never, AFAIK, used 3d-touch. I have no idea WTF it is. Is that a new name for press n hold?
 
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