G51989
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Yes, lots of companies love hard copies of stuff. Otherwise, Iron Mountain wouldn't exist now would it?
Judging from your Sig, I own a lot more macs than you 😛
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Yes, lots of companies love hard copies of stuff. Otherwise, Iron Mountain wouldn't exist now would it?
Judging from your Sig, I own a lot more macs than you 😛
JForestZ34
macrumors 6502a
I'm gonna say this, and I'm sure I'm not the first or will be the last.
Just because apple is steering away from the ODD doesn't mean it will make it mainstream for other companies. Anything IMPORTANT will always have a HARDCOPY backup. PERIOD.......
In your case about a remote server, what if the server crashes and the data cannot be recovered? I supposed the make stuff up to replace the data? I'm sure there are backups but a hardcopy backup cannot be hacked into or manipulated like storing on a server or HD.
This why 90% of the world uses PC's because I don't see this going away anytime soon. Maybe for apple but not eh rest of the world.
Don't get me wrong I love my imac just the way it is. But I don't see DVD material going away.
James
Sure, people who are freaked out and old that don't trust "clouds".
congrats on owning more Macs! You just recently said you are moving away from them, and frankly, that's likely what Apple hopes. Shed the old people who don't put any additional money into their ecosystem.
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"90%" of PC users is pretty hysterical when don't have ODD slots in some of their laptops. So you can go with that number if you want - but more and more laptops/netbooks/ultrabooks are not including ODD. Not only that, many people are just going to tablets which obviously don't either.
JForestZ34
macrumors 6502a
I have better things to do than argue and have a p%^#ing match over a ODD. Some people like and want it others don't. Whatever floats your boat. I will say it again. Anything with importance will have a hard backup.
Like a previous poster said whats the point of an all-in-one desktop if you need to add externals to use it.
Lets see how well you like the "CLOUD" once it gets hacked and your personal info gets stolen.
James
Sure, no problem. You don't have much a response so complain you have better things to do. Hopefully you're burning tons of DVDs!
JForestZ34
macrumors 6502a
Arguing over an ODD when some people like it and others don't is childish like when your in school. For the 2nd or 3rd time, some people like it others don't. If you don't like it that's fine thats your choice. Your money not mine. But you won't see the ODD go away on any of apple's desktops.
And if you really want to know I do burn some movies and shows for my kids so when we go in the car they have something to watch. Beside's on an aftermarket radio I haven't seen any from the factory that you can use a USB stick to play movies. They are all disc. So if I can keep my 3 yr old entertained while driving to ohio watching her favorite shows on DVD then I'm all for keeping it. External is always gonna be there but then there is no point in having a AIO system.
James
Just saying you should never bring what if's up like that. Because what if your disk becomes damaged? You can just as easily store on flash drive and keep the flash drive safe.
Any storage medium you use can be damaged somehow and information can be lost. Disks also. I bet more disks get damaged or corrupted than a flash drive...
DVDs...in a car? You don't have an iPad loaded with movies? No messy discs to mess with, no scratches, no skips etc.
JForestZ34
macrumors 6502a
I do have a iPad but what do you care how I use it? I need it for my business. If my daughter broke it or it got damaged I could lose money. NO THANK YOU.
You just to try to find faults in everything everyone says and loves to argue. You can't except the fact that the ODD isn't going away. No matter how much you want to.
Oh and another question if I may. Why would I pay iTunes for a movie I already have on DVD when I just convert it and upload to iTunes. Why should I have to re buy all these movies I have just because they make it available for download.
I have an idea. Why don't YOU buy them for me and then I'll do away with my ODD.
People have many movies that they do not want to have to re buy just to watch it
Yeah and cars still do come with a entertainment system. And they STILL play DVD movies. Why haven't they caught on if this is the new. Because it won't be.
Oh and unless I missed something, whatever movie or show you downloaded off iTunes cannot be put on any type of media to watch on PS3 or xbox. Being I don't have or want to buy an apple tv I see this as a issue also. Why be stuck to download from itunes to only be able to watch on your mac ipad or iPhone
James
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Wow. The vast majority of TV and movies you watch, magazines and books you read, and graphics you look at were made on Macs. Maybe if you can't realize that, you should just start reading instruction manuals for fun...oh wait, those were probably done in InDesign on Macs.
Kindly return to your spreadsheets and expense reports then.
John.B
macrumors 601
Agree 100%.
On my most recent vacation trip with the kids, I loaded the iPad up with a bunch of movies, TV shows and games, along with some games on the iPod Touch and a couple of navigation apps for my iPhone and the whole rental car experience couldn't have gone smoother. I didn't have to pay the airline to watch movies, I didn't have to rent a car with a built-in DVD player or pay $15/day for a rental navigation unit, and the devices are portable so they can go with the kids to the hotel room or on the plane ride home.
I can't imagine going back to the old way.
I think I paid $99 for AppleCare+ for my iPad, and I can get up to two replacements for $49 each. Money well spent for a device that is carried around everywhere I go.
Oh, and back on topic, if they remove the DVD burner from the iMacs like they did with the minis, I'll just use an external drive for the few times I need to rip CDs, etc.
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True. I returned appletv because of the limited options. Also, I don't think iTV or whatever will succeed without Apple being able to offer what redbox offers. $3.99 per SD movie rent is so 20th century.
A used iPad 1 is like $200. If you can't afford that, well, you probably shouldn't be posting in an iMac thread where the cheapest option is going to be over a grand.
Most DVDs and Blu-rays now come with Digital copies. No need to pay anyone anything. Or buy an external *hunt hint* and rip them yourself.
You keep coming up with fantastic excuses, but Apple keeps providing so many good ideas.
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Airplay really brings AppleTV to life. I've used it many times now to stream movies from my iPad or play games on the TV.
However I do feel AppleTV is still lacking and is no way a better option over a Roku or something similar. Once Apple allows Apps for it...well, it's game over for everyone else.
Please keep in mind Vudu, CinemaNow etc. all charge pretty much the same for a streaming rental. Trying to compare Apple to Redbox is just silly.
- Redbox is not always going to have to movie in stock.
- They are not always even going to carry it.
- They may not carry it on release day.
- It has many unskippable previews.
- It may have scratches.
- You have to drive to rent (i.e. gas).
- You have to drive to return it (i.e. gas).
- You may have to wait in a line both times.
So sorry, Apple and friends who do the same thing offer convenience and a guarantee that if it's on their servers, you can watch it. Right at that moment. No driving. No waiting in line. No hoping it's still available. No hoping it actually works. No driving to return it so you get charged an additional $1.
You're little analogy doesn't hold much water. Two totally difference services. One of them is growing (digital), while the other one is dropping line a rock (OD).
Thunderbird
macrumors 6502a
Interesting how you chose an image of a two and a half year old model that Sony doesn't make anymore for your illustration of a "fat" and "ugly" computer.
JForestZ34
macrumors 6502a
It doesn't matter how much a used iPad 1 costs. It's not your money or your decision on how I would like to use MY iPad.
And on the topic in quote above. I'll say this for the final time if for some reason you couldn't read it the last 3-4 times I've said it. Some like the ODD some don't.
What works for you doesn't always work for other. Everybody has different tastes and wants. Just because apple MIGHT desire to do this it is not set in stone. Not everyone will follow apple.
I'm willing to bet the new iMac refresh will be a spec bump. Same encloser SAME ODD. Just different gpu/CPU and hard drive capacity.
Remember what Steve was talk about with regards to the cloud and syncing to iTunes. He said for MOBILE devices. A desktop is hardly a mobile device.
I'm tired of beating this dead horse with you. You like things your way and I like things my way. Enjoy your ODD free world
Oh and I was on dells website and they still have laptops with ODD.
James
That's what most people are expecting at this point, and the majority of the rest are expecting no (near term) update at all.
So what's all the emotional turmoil for? Buy what you want, nobody cares...
doobybiggs
macrumors 6502a
are they putting USB 3.0 on these? I hope so Thunderbolt is just too dang expensive to be widely used at this time ...
JForestZ34
macrumors 6502a
Me emotional? I hope you don't mean me. I've been trying to tell the other poster that just because apple MIGHT decide to do away with it doesn't mean the rest of the world will, like he thinks they should. To many companies, businesses and consumers need ODD. They aren't going anywhere soon..
But some people think apple is god and what they do every other company should follow suit. Oh wait if they did they would get sued.
James
Apple has a return policy
Apple has a return policy for people who bought a computer only to find out a few days later, a new one was announced & will be shipping soon...
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My 2007 iMac is in need of an upgrade to a new model, although it is working just fine, life has changed & I need more speed & power plus a Retina Display would be awesome!
Apple has a return policy for people who bought a computer only to find out a few days later, a new one was announced & will be shipping soon...
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My 2007 iMac is in need of an upgrade to a new model, although it is working just fine, life has changed & I need more speed & power plus a Retina Display would be awesome!
So stop with your portable DVD player and discs that skip. My hypothetical kids will be cool with iPads loaded with movies, games, books and your kids can watch the same few movies over and over again.
Please remember Steve is dead. What he said no longer applies. How many of the "if Steve were alive..." posts do we get? Get over it. OD is dead. Time to move on.
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Very emotional. Apple already dumped the MacBook this year and remove the ODD from the MacBook Retina. The future is not discs. Apple doesn't even supply their own software on discs anymore.
John.B
macrumors 601
Yeah, Intel finally added native USB 3.0 support in their chipset for the Ivy Bridge Intel processors.
Surprising, really, that these haven't been refreshed already if that's the only update.
G51989
macrumors 68030
Not old, sorry 😛
Cleary you don't understand how large business works, esp engineering firms. They don't trust their data to the " cloud ", they have their own data centers, and how do they keep large amounts of very sensitive, and very expensive data? Hard copies. Hard copies beat the cloud.
Oh yeah, I'm sooooooooooooooooooooo old. Because I use my computer for work, and not play.
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Yep, I'll keep burning my DVDs, Blu Rays.
And the company I work for, won't put sensitive worth millions of dollars in the ' cloud ' 🙂. They'll use hard copies. Because its better for backup.
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Of course any form of media can be damaged, DVDs and Blu Rays are still cheaper than a flash drive.
ANd no, its VERY rare that a Optical Disc fails as long as its kept in a controlled environment and not bent or scratched.
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Indeed, they WERE made on Mac, but now even the video editing and graphics pros are rapidly dropping Macs for Windows Machines, Apple has turned into a consumer company. No more good computers.
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Lots of DVDs and Blu Rays do, but if I have to attach an external drive? Whats the point of an all in one? its not an all in one anymore.
Apple provides ****** iTunes content. Blu Ray blows iTunes content away. I spend tons of money on my home theater setup, I won't ruin it with garbage.
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Maybe its dead for someone like you, who clearly doesn't perform actual work with your machines. But for people who need hard copies, in an easy to use reliable format. ODD is FAR from dead.
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Yep, the HP Z1 is an amazing AIO, its better than an Imac in every catogory.
And yep, it is to bad. I've always owned Macs, but no DVD/Blu Ray drive is a deal breaker for me, I bought my iMac because I wanted a nice all in one computer for my living room, but when I have to plug in external HDDs and ODD's all the time, its stops being an all in one. Not interested.
In a couple of years?
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Blu-ray-CEATEC-2010-BDXL-ODD-light-transmittance,news-8279.html
That will be the next generation of optical media.
1TB a disc? Thank you sir. I'll take it.
Funny how these guys are calling you old and saying you should be "shed" by Apple, like they know anything about
's business model...For the record, I agree with you completely on not trusting sensitive info to the cloud>>>too many eff-ups with that already, imo.
Also, I am disappointed that Apple has begun leaving the Mac behind in favor of the toys. I understand the toys now make up most of their revenues, etc., but it just isn't right. And no, I don't want a damned iOS touchscreen MBP or iMac, Apple.
Me either and that is too bad, not sure how many times people are going to say get an external when we have stated that defeats the purpose, grab a Mac Mini and stick an external on top, no. An all in one nice looking desktop and add an external. Just not interested in that either.
From what I recall he said he will be moving away because they may be killing off features he requires. So if they do not do that then Apple will not lose future sales, sounds like that would be better, losing people is normally not a good thing.
I imagine there are people out there that can have an iPad as their only system and do fine, I basically have a family member that could do that, they are almost completely net based, a few MBs of files at best. Their needs are just different, when people say they still use something it really cannot be dead for them.
On a side note, are we all suppose to go the way of digital and pay twice as much for compress files with no control over them? Why would a lot of us want to do that?
JForestZ34
macrumors 6502a
Funny how these guys are calling you old and saying you should be "shed" by Apple, like they know anything about
For the record, I agree with you completely on not trusting sensitive info to the cloud>>>too many eff-ups with that already, imo.
Also, I am disappointed that Apple has begun leaving the Mac behind in favor of the toys. I understand the toys now make up most of their revenues, etc., but it just isn't right. And no, I don't want a damned iOS touchscreen MBP or iMac, Apple.
They say that because they think apple is god and everyone will follow. Like I said in another post. Wait till their cloud gets hacked and see if they trust it again
JameS