antzona
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That is pretty funny when put in the context of the previous 1199 posts in this thread.
No, no one can confirm that. Hopefully soon.
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Upgrading old Mac Pro to 8800 GT graphics?
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That is pretty funny when put in the context of the previous 1199 posts in this thread.
No, no one can confirm that. Hopefully soon.
What makes you say that? Apple has never officially said they would do this and will likely never do it.
I just tried to play half life episode 2 on my 2007 Mac Pro using bootcamp with its near vestigial 7300 graphics card. I truly cannot relay the pain of having to set it on lowest cartoon like settings on 800-600 resolution just to get playable frame rate...barely playable. High setting for this 2 year old game look like a slide show.
Good news is - I can run Peggle extreme on highest graphics.
dreamof3d
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Thats too funny, cartoon like game play. Just ditch the 7300, and grab the NVidia quaddro option for older Mac Pro's. Just kidding, may as well buy a 2008 Mac for that price. I need to download that game and try it on my x1900. The only issues I have is running Linux with this card. Games like Colin McRae Rally,Call of Duty, Quake, etc.....work fine at 1920 X 1200 on my machine with the x1900...........I,m just going to buy the new Mac and use this one as a server/network renderer. I'll have 12 cores. No, Apple didn't win.........I've been saving for the 8 core machine for a while 🙂
Would it be possible to run a 7300GT in osx and boot into windows xp with a pc 8800GT without swapping the card everytime? My Eizo monitor has dual DVI input's so I could just switch back and forth.
Though I do remember someone saying there was issues doing that with the 8800gtx or something.
Though I do remember someone saying there was issues doing that with the 8800gtx or something.
R.Youden
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antzona
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What makes me say what? Hopefully soon? I'm hoping that sometime soon we will get a 8800gt for the older Mac Pros.
ungraphic
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This is what bothers me as that is the one game i am looking forward to very very much. HL2 ep1 ran 'fine' with my 2x7300 setup via SLI, using an ASUS bridge connector and overclocking both cards. In the loast coast demo i get about 50FPS using that stress test or whatever at max settings, except for HDR lighting was turned off and 4X FSAA at a resolution of 1280x1024
problem is, im buying a bigger monitor so any game beyond that resolution will lag.
whats worse, is that steve jobs actually thinks hes doing people a favor by getting deals with EA to port PC games to the mac. Well, those ports are complete ****, theyre buggy, they lag, theyre not done well, and have little to almost zero support for mac graphic cards and give us, even mac pro owners, lousy framerates. But thats only half the problem, literally, because as we laugh at the crappy selection of games for Mac OS and the support for them, steve jobs does absolutely NOTHING on the video card end to even improve the situation due to performance. Has anyone tried playing NFS Carbon for OS X? God, its terrible, doesnt (or at least didnt when i tried it) support 16:10 screens and no full screen anti-aliasing.
Why is this so hard to understand?
You early 08 Mac Pro users are in no position to tell the rest of us we have to live with this toaster. Mac could have easily..perhaps more easily made this card backwards compatible but they did not simply to bolster Mac Pro - Imac sales. Old Mac Pros are so crippled by their cards that they are not even a threat to the imac market...and thats just the way they want us to feel. High end goes to 2008 Mac Pro and low end users go to the imacs. This behavior is suspicious as best. It floors me that the company thinks it can do this to me as a consumer. Upgrade - where?
Well, Ive been taking a tally here. Still use a g4 notebook so you have been way ovedue for a MacBook Pro sale. I talked 3 friends out of buying macs with the help of this board. Come June,if there is no fix, then damnit it all. I upgrade ny server computer with more ram, a motherboards and a processor. Thats money that could have gone to a MAc Pro. I count 5 sales you missed out on. Thats probably playing out in different degrees for the 70,000 people that have visited here.
Apple stock will continue to drop so long is it discards the common customer.
You early 08 Mac Pro users are in no position to tell the rest of us we have to live with this toaster. Mac could have easily..perhaps more easily made this card backwards compatible but they did not simply to bolster Mac Pro - Imac sales. Old Mac Pros are so crippled by their cards that they are not even a threat to the imac market...and thats just the way they want us to feel. High end goes to 2008 Mac Pro and low end users go to the imacs. This behavior is suspicious as best. It floors me that the company thinks it can do this to me as a consumer. Upgrade - where?
Well, Ive been taking a tally here. Still use a g4 notebook so you have been way ovedue for a MacBook Pro sale. I talked 3 friends out of buying macs with the help of this board. Come June,if there is no fix, then damnit it all. I upgrade ny server computer with more ram, a motherboards and a processor. Thats money that could have gone to a MAc Pro. I count 5 sales you missed out on. Thats probably playing out in different degrees for the 70,000 people that have visited here.
Apple stock will continue to drop so long is it discards the common customer.
I have to agree with the above poster, the 2008 buyers should pay serious attention to this situation, because the video card you are drooling over and citing as cutting edge has already reached the end of it's life, not bad for a top end machine, shipping with a soon to be dead duck card.
In a year, or year and a half, you 2008 buyers could very well be sitting where us 2006/2007 buyers are sitting now.
In a year, or year and a half, you 2008 buyers could very well be sitting where us 2006/2007 buyers are sitting now.
it`s not a matter of could but a matter of when.They will be sitting here as sure as ***** in a dead cat.I guess for now I`m just keeping a seat warm for someone.
We all got suckered by "it's coming, so calm down". If apple really wanted to make card they would have done so by now. They just told us all what we wanted to hear, so we would "lay off" them. They removed the posts on the Apple forums and put this issue behind them. We will be led along until the new Mac Pro comes out, and by than most people will want the new one.
For now that is still pretty much "the card", so obviously that is what the Mac Pro has, but I am well aware that the new Geforce 9 series card is coming soon. I have two theories that I would like to share with you.
1. As I am sure you are all aware of, the x1900xt is a faster card right now for pro apps than the 8800gt. This problem has been around as long as the lack of support for the 2007 mac pro. So, maybe apple will release a firmware update that fixes both of these flaws at once.
2. Since the new Geforce 9 card is coming out maybe this will become a BTO/kit card for both the 2007 and the 2008 mac pros.
That would make a lot of unhappy 2007 Mac Pro owners happy (myself included) and would be a nice goodwill gesture, so I am guessing it won't happen. I really hope I am wrong. If the x1900 is going to be a dead end video card option for the 2007 Mac Pro, this will be my last Mac, which is a shame. I switched over from PC workstations and spent a lot on this machine (dual quad 3.0), but have never been happy with the video card options. I had hoped that a new video card would be available when the new Mac Pros arrived - what a letdown to find out that the 8800 was incompatible. I probably will end up putting a 3870x2 in it (or a GeForce 9) , hold my nose, dump OSX, and use it only for Windows if this isn't resolved soon.
I'm a week away from chucking this MP on eBay and getting a nice Q6600 based PC. And I also mention this situation to people thinking about Macs.
I haven't been following the thread closely but if you really need an 8800GT that bad, why didn't you just custom build a gaming PC??? And if you use your MP for work, and need the GPU power for 3D apps or cad, there are Quadro's available work nicely.
Why not then just build a single Q6600 system for doing his work and playing his game and not worry about future video card upgrades? Also not many people wish to spend $2000 on a Quadro which is quite miserable for gaming when compared to 8800 based cards.
While I own an early 08' mac pro, I do want apple to address this issue for the nvidia 8800gt card to work with the previous gen mac pros. Because if they dont, that would clearly give me an idea of what my upgradability is for next year on the current mp...
None taken. Your assumption that the Quadro is better for games is only because of one set of benchmarks out there. There are plenty of tests on PC that show the quadro trailing their sister gaming cards.
The reason the Quadro is faster in OSX for games at the moment is due to the fact that apple has had time to tinker with those drivers longer. Give it 6 months or so and a few updates and you'll see the 8800 ahead.
Side note, some windows testing here shows actually that the 8800GT is quite comperable to the FX5600 for games. Wins some and loses some and seems to be about tie on others.
http://www.barefeats.com/harper11.html
Anyway it would be silly to get a Quadro for an older Mac Pro. A the price that Apple is asking, it may as well be better to sell that box and buy a new computer with the 8800GT.
The reason the Quadro is faster in OSX for games at the moment is due to the fact that apple has had time to tinker with those drivers longer. Give it 6 months or so and a few updates and you'll see the 8800 ahead.
Side note, some windows testing here shows actually that the 8800GT is quite comperable to the FX5600 for games. Wins some and loses some and seems to be about tie on others.
http://www.barefeats.com/harper11.html
Anyway it would be silly to get a Quadro for an older Mac Pro. A the price that Apple is asking, it may as well be better to sell that box and buy a new computer with the 8800GT.
Yea I cant wait until 10.5.3.. I dont know if I should mention this or if any of you are developers but my cousin is one and he just told me to look foward to an update for the 8800gt. 🙂
It's sad that the pre 2008 Mac Pro owners have been waiting so long for the 8800GT that it is a generation back now... now I'm hoping for the 9800 series.
Why did Apple wait so long to release the new Mac Pro? We had the same Mac Pro on sale for a year and a half. Does that mean the 3rd gen mac pro won't be available until summer 2009! It gets quite embarrassing when your trying to switch someone to mac, and the best card available is a 7300GT or a 1900XT.
It's astounding that Apple has created a lack of trust relationship amongst is customers. An above standard video card upgrade option for it previous MP would improve its relationship with it's customers. Apple's "mind-set" for undermining it's customers is just wrong. What's ironic some of the owners of the new 2008 on this thread, adding thier negative comments and slamming the old MP owners need to be aware "If it happened to us it will happen to you".
I don't think of my old MP as a toaster, it's more of an Easy Bake Oven [ding!]. Brownies anyone?
I don't think of my old MP as a toaster, it's more of an Easy Bake Oven [ding!]. Brownies anyone?