Equally focusing on fixing what's broken should be the priority versus new features and introducing tricks & bells, hence why Snow Leopard is still held in such high regard...
OG Snow Leopard wallpaper...
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Upgrading to MacOS Ventura erased all Notes ($100k+ damages)
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OG Snow Leopard wallpaper...
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it's an endless process of bug fixes, new bugs (sometimes caused by other fixes), new features, better coding, better security, occasional mistakes & so on; same as it ever was.
snow leopard was a good moment... in 2009. i prefer to live in the present (& would not trade ventura for snow leopard, or big sur, etc etc... any day)
Apple is a consumer-focused company, thus care no more than dealing with customers when dealing with business customers. Part of the reason I hate apple not having something similar to group policy in Windows.
Might as well mandatory a Time Machine backup before upgrading. So users have at least one backup.
Flawless track record I see. :/
The major flaw of the iCloud backup is it has zero version control. Everything is the latest and no earlier. You’d think with paid iCloud storage space they’d offer at least 2 versions prior the latest backup so in case current one fails there’s something else to fall back into. But no. Latest and no earlier. Had they got any semblance of that, your situation would’ve never happened.
My PC backup is incremental, meaning I can trace back as far as the backup goes for some ancient Data. No such a thing on iCloud backup.
Among many things, it is dangerous to assume things as a product designer, or just in life in general. I don’t even know how many accidents happen because people assume one thing would happen, but end up being otherwise. For example, who tf think when I press CMD+shift+T to restore a recently closed tab, I meant to close the same tab I want to restore half a second later?
Naturally, but I want the bugs resolved, a 24 month cycle would allow the dev team to accomplish this. Ventura is looking fairly solid, equally Monterey presents no issue to me as of today.
As ever once Ventura is close to being done, I'll take a deeper dive. As said "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" If a system is related to revenue, one should be cautious and be well backed up prior to any OS upgrade...
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there's no finite moment when all bugs are squashed. so we see betas, official releases, then more betas, updates... until the next OS. making that a 2-year event over a 1-year event doesn't guarantee we'll reach a perfect moment... it just means 2 years of the same process.
either way, it's apple's OS, and it's their right to upgrade as they see fit. at least we, the macusers, have the option to upgrade (or not), when we want.
ventura will remain a work-in-progress until the next OS. 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' imakes no sense in relation to a computer OS...
Sadly that's why many professional's switched from OSX to MS Windows, that and the disastrous 2016 MBP redesign...
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Holding off a full iteration of the OS makes perfect sense. You avoid the bugs, numerous updates and any issues. You still get a new OS annually, it's far more developed and stable.
If you rely on your computers as a factor of revenue, being conservative pays dividends. As ever fools rush in...
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As ever will I see if the new OS meets our need. In my experience staying a step behind results in a far more stable system. Unless there's a killer application, best to stand back...
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Problem being is the public release is more Beta than Alpha. What I expect is stability & performance...
Apple needs to prioritise this if they want to considered seriously in the desktop domain.
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Hey everyone, I think what would really help this guy is about 150 to 400 more comments about how he should have backed his stuff up. Keep 'em coming. Super helpful to pile on!
I have mixed feelings when reading about data loss with no backup...
I myself have experienced it on a few occasions... The earliest I can recall was when I wiped the data disk instead of the system disk... My thinking was they are numbered 1 and 2 but the software I used numbered them as 0 and 1 so when I chose disk 1, all stored data was gone... I don't remember whether I checked the disk sizes or not but you know how it ended...
And the latest instance, I have several external disks connected when I had the disk wipe software running... I was thinking the 1st disk was system and the rest are data disk, not bothering to verify first before initiating a disk wipe... Unlike last time, what I lost are copies of software I install on Windows... And I'm in the 2nd week of searching for copies of those software and trying to rebuild my software catalog before the disk wipe... It's not easy but it's way better than losing data that I can never replicate by internet/web search...
I myself have experienced it on a few occasions... The earliest I can recall was when I wiped the data disk instead of the system disk... My thinking was they are numbered 1 and 2 but the software I used numbered them as 0 and 1 so when I chose disk 1, all stored data was gone... I don't remember whether I checked the disk sizes or not but you know how it ended...
And the latest instance, I have several external disks connected when I had the disk wipe software running... I was thinking the 1st disk was system and the rest are data disk, not bothering to verify first before initiating a disk wipe... Unlike last time, what I lost are copies of software I install on Windows... And I'm in the 2nd week of searching for copies of those software and trying to rebuild my software catalog before the disk wipe... It's not easy but it's way better than losing data that I can never replicate by internet/web search...
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True, but it is what it is...
I feel for him/her, but what to do? A spinner you may have some chance, SSD good luck with no guaranties at great cost.
What this thread illustrates is a lack of knowledge, $ on the table you back up as a matter of course. If your not backed up this is the risk you take regardless of platform...
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Notes is not for storing mission critical data.
If you don’t have a min of 2 backup locations not on the same machine…you are doing it wrong.
If you don’t have a min of 2 backup locations not on the same machine…you are doing it wrong.
I've not restored a device from iCloud backup for years but there were definitely incremental backups that you could restore if you didn't want the absolute latest.
Still no response to my question about exactly how Notes is restored from TM backup......there is no ~/LibararyNotes folder like for Mail, Calendars and Contacts.
Since my failure to restore Notes from a backup I also tend to regard them as little more than tidier version of post-its on my desk.
Since my failure to restore Notes from a backup I also tend to regard them as little more than tidier version of post-its on my desk.
I posted this on the 1st page: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-all-notes-100k-damages.2376209/post-31858705
The Notes database is stored in that folder.
Thanks. The contents of that looks very like what I tried to restore years ago and failed. Can I ask if you have actually tried it? I can't recall all the detail of what I did at that time but on at least one attempt the restore was foiled by by the standard problem of iCloud overwriting the restored database with the faulty one in iCloud. I think I tried again with iCloud off to prevent this, but would appreciate a link or basic steps if I ever got in this situation again. Thanks.
Yep. I'm starting to wonder whether the original post is actually true.
Yet video editing and music production industry (by extension maybe the entire Hollywood) still prefer Mac over Windows any day. To each of their own I guess.
I did restore a couple times for various reasons, and the only backup I can see to restore is the latest, for that device. If there are indeed incremental backups, then sure. Still, I’d not store anything mission critical on Apple notes, or anything that relies on syncing across different devices. Those definitely don’t have backups to restore from.
I agree 100% That's the way I've been doing upgrades since… forever.
Never had a problem with upgrades.
In my old age I am slightly less paranoid and now I skip hiding any external disks in another room. 🤣
It's always worked for me, so see no reason to roll the dice for the sake of saving a few minutes just to close apps, unplug and restart.
My stock 2011 15" MBP has never been clean installed since leaving the factory and seen numerous OS updates without issue. I keep the same strategy with my other Mac's including the M1 MBP as it's always worked
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