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Creating a backdoor is going thermo nuclear. Blocking an app isn't in the same universe. Apple could fight it, but it's no where near worth it compared to the former.
Blocking apps because of ridiculous "suspected" security threats is a MASSIVE precedent. Next thing you know a dozen other apps and services will be blocked... Apple and Google will not comply lying down.
 
Blocking apps because of ridiculous "suspected" security threats is a MASSIVE precedent. Next thing you know a dozen other apps and services will be blocked... Apple and Google will not comply lying down.
The difference being that Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc. are US-based companies without physical servers in China that require by law that data be turned over to the CCP. I’m not sure why so many people are not getting this concept.
 
Since when is the US Government required to show all national security information with the public? The intelligence wing of the United States does things all day, every day that you and I never know or hear about. There is a reason for that.
Yes... and the reason is people would be outside the White House with pitch forks if they knew how the government was stealing their data and storing it in perpetuity for later use.
 
Just do it !! India banned over 100 Chinese Apps in hours, not days. USA talks too much and forgets the line from movie Good,Bad and Ugly.. "when your going to shoot, shoot don't talk".
Americans(and world) must start learning that when China don't play by international laws and let have same playing fields for everyone doing business in China like China enjoys in non-Chinese countries(rest of world) than everyone in world should stand together against China and fight to the end. It is all about fairness and keeping people's Data safe.
 
Now that pandora box is wide open, it is definitely going to be super fun to see how the world turns into, 10 years down the line. I bet next generation would not thank whatever we are doing now.
 
You're fine to presume what you like, but as someone who long ago deleted his Facebook profile because of concerns about what they are doing with the data they harvest I'm just going to leave it at you're wrong.

If it were up to me all social media would be banned. The effects the platforms have on the mental and emotional well being of its users is enough for me to say it's a net negative overall. But nobody puts me in charge of that, so I just control what I can and avoid using it myself.

I don't disagree that social media is bad, and I too, have deleted my Facebook. However, our opinions of Facebook and Tik Tok aside, the facts show us that after technology engineers examined both Facebook and Tik Tok's apps and platforms, they concluded both apps harvest the same amount of information. Tik Tok is no worse than Facebook in this regard, with the only difference is their data is more easily viewable by their respective "home government". You can't hate one platform without hating the other, because they are one in the same. Therefore, the US government should treat them as equals and handle them accordingly. Why do you think the US has taken no action against Facebook?
 
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Yes... and the reason is people would be outside the White House with pitch forks if they knew how the government was stealing their data and storing it in perpetuity for later use.
This was being done by prior administrations as well. I’m not saying that’s ok because it’s not. I condemn the Trump administration for failing to end the practices called out by Edward Snowden that were taking place under Obama. I do. But there is a clear national security issue with TikTok. The only people calling it ”made-up” are those with their heads in the sands that don’t understand location-tracking APIs and physical server location issues.
 
Every day the USA looks more and more like a typical ex-soviet country run by the mafia. It would actually make sense for USA to buy the Balkans like they did Alaska. It would be a perfect fit politically and culturally.
Every day the Chinese Communist Party looks more and more like the Soviet Union under Stalin. It would makes sense for the CCP to take away the liberties of Hong Kong and take over Taiwan like they did to the Uygurs in Xinjiang province and Tibet. It would be a perfect fit politically and culturally. Who cares about the murder of millions and the destruction of political and cultural liberty?
 
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Every day the Chinese Communist Party looks more and more like the Soviet Union under Stalin. It would makes sense for the CCP to take away the liberties of Hong Kong and take over Taiwan like they did to the Uygurs in Xinjiang province and Tibet. It would be a perfect fit politically and culturally. Who cares about the murder of millions and the destruction of political and cultural liberty?
This is spot on. I suspect we will both be suspended from Macrumors for saying so (I have been in the past anytime I have mentioned Uygurs and Hong Kong.)
 
Yes... and the reason is people would be outside the White House with pitch forks if they knew how the government was stealing their data and storing it in perpetuity for later use.
Its been in the open since 2013 the vast majority of people do not care. The average person still uses Chrome, Google search and Social media knowing it goes right to the US and various other governments. Where people start to care is when that data is being used to empower a warmongering expansionist country that has opposite values of the one they live in. (Note: I am talking about multiple countries in the last sentence not just the US) I doubt the average person even knows the PLA has killed 20+ Indian soldiers in the past weeks or buzzed Taiwan multiple times risking an all out war.
 
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Now that pandora box is wide open, it is definitely going to be super fun to see how the world turns into, 10 years down the line. I bet next generation would not thank whatever we are doing now.
Technology has advanced far more quickly than our ability to understand it as a legal system and as a culture. Congress is woefully under-educated on technology and quite frankly would be scared to death if they understood fully how tech is used to exploit national security on a day-to-day basis. We need intelligent people from the private sector to start prioritizing the health, welfare, and security of the western world above greed and profit.
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You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the Chinese authoritarian regime
You can’t be serious with this. If you think the US is on par with the CCP in terms of human rights, freedoms, and open expression of ideas then you’re delusional.
 
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Well if we Had a million US accounts on other app stores, these wouldn’t be allowed to offer the download either.
The work around for many is a fake ID elsewhere.
I’m not talking about other app stores, but just allowing installs from web sites. TikTok could just let you download from their website. App stores are great for government censorship.
 
Apple complied by handing over all iCloud data. The FBI wanted Apple to create a backdoor, a backdoor that currently doesn't exist.
Is Trump a capitalist? Why is the USA meddling with the free markets? Let consumers decide who they give their data to and if it is the Communists then that is their right.

Correct, Apple complied to the extent they could. iCloud data does not have end to end encryption (yet).
 
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Where are all the small-government, free speech, capitalist, free market republicans?? You all know if Obama did this Fox News would have their heads exploding and impeachment hearings would begin on Monday. This is how fascism begins

they did, when he wore that tan suit!!! what a monster.
 
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Where are all the small-government, free speech, capitalist, free market republicans?? You all know if Obama did this Fox News would have their heads exploding and impeachment hearings would begin on Monday. This is how fascism begins

The small-government crowd want to see the US Government stick to its constitutional mandates. One of those mandates is protecting the United States from outside threats. China is such a national security threat. Therefore, even small government conservatism agrees with this move.

National security always has and always will override capitalism and the free-market. By your defintion, slavery should be legal again since its technically a capitalistic activity (ironically, it is occurring in the CCP right now). There is plenty to be upset about regarding the Obama administration. Ask Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning. And to be fair, Trump has not curbed those activities since taking over. But your assertion that this move underpins conservative or capitalistic principles is false and not rooted in basic civics.
 
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I don't disagree that social media is bad, and I too, have deleted my Facebook. However, our opinions of Facebook and Tik Tok aside, the facts show us that aftertechnology engineers examined both Facebook and Tik Tok's apps and platforms, they concluded both apps harvest the same amount of information. Tik Tok is no worse than Facebook in this regard, with the only difference is their data is more easily viewable by their respective "home government". You can't hate one platform without hating the other, because they are one in the same. Therefore, the US government should treat them as equals and handle them accordingly. Why do you think the US has taken no action against Facebook?

Exactly. The US should be passing privacy laws, that are enforced uniformly to all companies doing business in the US. POTUS picking and choosing who to target because they ruined his rally is not a good precedence and legally questionable. Trump gets his sound bite (I'm doing something against China), but in the scheme of things TikTok is a bit player in privacy related data collection. It just so happens that TikTok was used to go after Trump.

Make no mistake, if Trump could find could issue an EO and plausible excuse to take down Twitter, he would that also.
 
Where are all the small-government, free speech, capitalist, free market republicans?? You all know if Obama did this Fox News would have their heads exploding and impeachment hearings would begin on Monday. This is how fascism begins
Since when is China under the Chinese Communist Party a small government, free speech, capitalist, free market country? It's the opposite actually. This is how Marxism begins.
 
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So the CCP does this with every foreign company that comes into China (via Chinese law- forced technology transfer, partial ownership, etc), but other countries can't demand the same from Chinese companies?

I find that interesting.
Isn’t the US supposed to be better than the CCP?
 
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Where are all the small-government, free speech, capitalist, free market republicans?? You all know if Obama did this Fox News would have their heads exploding and impeachment hearings would begin on Monday. This is how fascism begins
We see the potential for a global conflict within the next decade that is nearly inevitable with current events China is building up for it expanding nuclear stockpiles and prodding India's and Taiwan's defenses. This is a grey area we have never prepared for war in the digital age before we are going to make mistakes but the cost of making no moves is guaranteed to be greater.
 
The small-government crowd want to see the US Government stick to its constitutional mandates. One of those mandates is protecting the United States from outside threats. China is such a national security threat. Therefore, even small government conservatism agrees with this move.

Let's be real. If national security is the reason, Facebook has already been proven to be a much greater threat to national security through the spreading is misinformation. We all know the reason is TikTok was used to annoy Trump, and it's convenient that it happens to be based in China. As I said elsewhere. Twitter would also be banned if the administration can find some reason other than it annoys Trump.
 
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