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Let's be real. If national security is the reason, Facebook has already been proven to be a much greater threat to national security through the spreading is misinformation. We all know the reason is TikTok was used to annoy Trump, and it's convenient that it happens to be based in China. As I said elsewhere. Twitter would also be banned if the administration can find some reason other than it annoys Trump.

Except it hasn’t. They don’t have servers in China where Chinese law requires that data be handed over to the Chinese Government. I’m going to copy this statement to my clipboard so I can quickly paste it. That’s how many times I’ve had to type it out this morning. Apples and oranges.
 
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World peace relies on the US having a global presence unless the EU wants to step up their game which I am all for its a necessary evil for the time being. I would love for the US military to go fully domestic but I cant see it happening soon. Taiwan would cease to exist tomorrow. Israels new partnerships may be a gateway for the US to leave the Middle East at some point but that is still shaky. Last time I was in Germany their infantry was using broom sticks to simulate weapons while we were doing live fire exercises. I do not think the EU is ready to take on an expansionist Russia anytime soon.

1000 or so bases are not guaranteeing world piece but an attempt at world policing. They and the underlying bullying philosophy are a big part of the issue. I don’t see China or Russia have that much of a military outpost scattered around someone else’s borders.
 
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So this does not apply to Europe at all, right?

Europe is 50 countries with 50 governments, so it's not easy to give a definitive Yes/No answer.. :)

All I've seen in Sweden is that some gov. agencies have asked staff to remove TikTok from their "work phones".
 
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It pleases me to see Jianguo Zdrumpf continuously providing a rope with which to hang himself. He just told a few million Tiktok users not to vote for him.

Build that wall, Mr. Zdrumpf! Make America a walled garden again!

He moves closer to imitate the Chinese Orwellian state for sure.
 
Except it hasn’t. They don’t have servers in China where Chinese law requires that data be handed over to the Chinese Government. I’m going to copy this statement to my clipboard so I can quickly paste it. That’s how many times I’ve had to type it out this morning. Apples and oranges.
Most of people in western world who come on forums to comment/s have no idea of real understnding but do jibber jabber. Banning is last resort. To keep Data stored, safe in USA by having US companies control is the main contention but uninformed people don't get it. They are the danger to USA or to their respective countries.
 
Apples and oranges. Those companies are US based and do not have servers/data physically in China. TikTok and WeChat do. The US has the grounds to ban these apps and it’s their call.

I other words: if you don’t move your servers into our country with the expectation that we can freely spy on all your data, we should **** you down.
 
If the Swedish state television is to be considered a government agency, then that's true. The government per se has not issued such a recommendation.

Europe is 50 countries with 50 governments, so it's not easy to give a definitive Yes/No answer.. :)

All I've seen in Sweden is that some gov. agencies have asked staff to remove TikTok from their "work phones".
 
china already controls apps from the USA in their country so I call it karma for China

Charming. An eye for an eye used to be the law of the lowest. Interesting proposal to apply this on world politics.
Totally save and thought through, for sure.
 
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In the US, they don't need to turn over the data, since NSA and FBI already have complete access.

The difference being that Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc. are US-based companies without physical servers in China that require by law that data be turned over to the CCP. I’m not sure why so many people are not getting this concept.
 
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The difference being that Facebook, Google, Snapchat, etc. are US-based companies without physical servers in China that require by law that data be turned over to the CCP. I’m not sure why so many people are not getting this concept.

Any foreign user doing business with an American company is also under the same rules, the US patriot act and Cloud Act similar to the accusations around the Chinese govt.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act
 
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1000 or so bases are not guaranteeing world piece but an attempt at world policing. They and the underlying bullying philosophy are a big part of the issue. I don’t see China or Russia have that much of a military outpost scattered around someone else’s borders.
Nice talking points but not accurate or fair assessment at all. These countries want an American presence within their borders. They are sovereign countries that have invited the U.S. presence for protection. In fact, the Philippines froze its pull-out of the Philippines-United States Visiting Forces Agreement because they wanted a continued U.S. military presence. I am not saying that these military basis are not in the strategic interest of the United States. But they are clearly in the interest of those countries as well.
 
I just hope they look into and ban Epic Games, also partially owned by Tencent. Maybe Epic's constant attacks on US companies (Steam, Apple, Google) will be enough to get them wiped from the face of this planet.
 
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Just do it !! India banned over 100 Chinese Apps in hours, not days. USA talks too much and forgets the line from movie Good,Bad and Ugly.. "when your going to shoot, shoot don't talk".
Americans(and world) must start learning that when China don't play by international laws and let have same playing fields for everyone doing business in China like China enjoys in non-Chinese countries(rest of world) than everyone in world should stand together against China and fight to the end. It is all about fairness and keeping people's Data safe.

I’m sure India has its own reasons for banning apps from China that are probably related to the ongoing BS that these nations have with one another. Data security is probably a lesser concern.
But who are we to guess about two countries that cannot even agree on a full set of borders.
 
1000 or so bases are not guaranteeing world piece but an attempt at world policing. They and the underlying bullying philosophy are a big part of the issue. I don’t see China or Russia have that much of a military outpost scattered around someone else’s borders.
History shows were the US moves into peace is established we already made the mistake of not taking an active role after 1918 and World War 2 occurred since then any two countries with a McDonald's have not gone to war that is quite an achievement (Yes regional conflicts have happened Vietnam etc but that is far from a global conflict). I think the EU and Australia/New Zealand should take on a greater role to take some of the burden off of the US and prevent bullying even though we secure oil producing countries and still payed full price for oil. I am sure China and Russia would have payed full price after securing an area and also allowed governments that didn't agree with their ideals ask Hungary, Poland and Tibet about that one. China is building overseas bases in South America and Africa and publicly desire to take territory in India as well.
 
What I find interesting is that you equate the US government's banning of these apps for the stated desire of protecting American citizens from snooping by the CCP to the Chinese government's banning of other apps and services for the stated desire of not being able to have a back door to further snoop on their own citizens.

You can argue whether or not the US government is being disingenuous in this, but the two situations aren't, from a stated purpose, apples to apples.
So, our government wants to spy on us and have complete access to our devices. China forced companies to house servers with Chinese data in China. Something these companies are willing to do here. The China move made sense to me because when our law enforcement needed data they would go through our court system to gain access to the data. China’s law enforcement also had to go through our court system for Chinese cases because the data was in the US. That created huge lag times and cost a lot of money. Of course the lawyers here loved it.
 
1000 or so bases are not guaranteeing world piece but an attempt at world policing. They and the underlying bullying philosophy are a big part of the issue. I don’t see China or Russia have that much of a military outpost scattered around someone else’s borders.

Because every time Russia or China venture outside their borders, it is to conquer others lands for themselves. History is filled with examples. When the USA does it, we only ask for land to bury our dead on when we leave.

Heck, when we 'left' Iraq we didnt even ask that we got the oil rights as repayment for the people we lost and vast fortunes of money we spent. Even though people against that administration or war in general claim we went there for oil. The chinese got most if not all of the oil contracts in Iraq
 
Breaking News:

TikTok has donated 2 million dollars to the Commitee(to)ReElect(the)President.

Ban lifted!!!

Horray for short-form videos and to what I am sure is NOT a quid pro quo!!!
 
No. The U.S. government is tasked with protecting American citizens and making sure American companies are able to compete on a fair and equal basis in the global economy.

I’m sure they’ll lay out why and how exactly security is at risk. Just having servers elsewhere can’t be an explanation but just a fear. In return every other company who’s having only US servers pose a security risk to the nations where its users come from?

Precise, exact examples and mot another WMD hot air case please.
 
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