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2005CTS said:
In one sentence you say that blu-ray is Dead on Arrival. Then you go on to say that it will continue to gain market share?

Either it is DOA or will grow in market share...it cannot do both. The chart above shows that it is (as I stated) growing in market share and will continue to do so. Despite what Steve Jobs and his fanboys say.
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oh my. When you watch sports, do you think that whole teams are physically being "crushed," when the sportscaster says so? :rolleyes:

OK....When I say BluRay is DEAD, the semantic intent is to convey that it has no significant future as a viable replacement for DVD or any other disc-type content distribution and storage medium. Obviously, it won't cease to exist immediately. I'm sure someone will still be selling used Blu-Rays out of their garage in Arkansas in 2025.

I might also add that Mel Gibson's career is DEAD (even though he might make another movie at some point.) :cool:
 
CreativeOutlaw said:
Wah wahh... while I think the storage capacity of Blu-Ray discs could be cool when they come down in price, who the hell sits in their computer chair and watches multiple 2 hour movies alone on a computer monitor? The majority of people would want to watch Blu-ray movies on their 40+ inch living room TV's (where the hi-def is actually utilized) while on a comfy couch with friends or family... and that'd have to be one long-ass cable.
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You are missing a critical part of the blu-ray equation. If you purchase a movie on blu-ray - just how are you supposed to rip it onto your Mac if it doesn't have a blu-ray drive?
 
Glerk!

ericinboston said:
Do you mean to play on your computer? I agree...I have owned computers since 1983 and I have never, ever, watched a single movie on any of them...and I've had a 24" monitor for 6 years now. If you are asking to play them on a home theater system, BD will be around for at least another decade...streaming video over the net/cable system still stinks. Internet streaming will not be mainstream for at least another 15 years...too many hurdles to mention in this thread.
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I snipped out some of your bit there but ultimately, 15 years?
It's happening now.

How come my 85 year old father-in-law streams Netflix movies to his iMac then?

They only have 1.5 megabit DSL at their place too.

They are not super techy or super savvy - we just mentioned it could be done and they started doing it.

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The other thing: not everyone wants to keep a permanent offline stored copy of whatever it is they watched: the average joe wants to watch a movie and enjoy it and move on.

Some of us keep DVDs and BluRays of their favorite content as almost fetish objects - just to keep around and not watch very often. I'm guilty of that myself sometimes.

But the average Joe watches once, maybe twice and moves on.

But moving on to the iMac and Mac Pro refreshes, the MP definetely needed a refresh. It's why I settled for a 27" corei7 iMac. Down the road I'll use that 27" iMac as a display for the next Mac I buy.
 
toke lahti said:
I still have cd's from 80's (way older than 512 MB IBM HDD from the time Jesus walked the earth) , can't say the same about hdd's. No matter how you turn it optical media is better for backups and faster and cheaper.
Ask National Archive if you don't believe.
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Yep, i gues internet is backed up to optical media :D What a joke.
 
Pbrad08 said:
Which neither will be as well-received as DVD until the US gets its act together, upgrades the national communication infrastructure, and mandates broadband to all legal residents.

A.K.A: Until the US becomes like Finland.
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The national broad band plan is aiming for 4 Mb/s by 2020. :(

THat's some crappy looking HD video, assuming you get max out that connection whenever you want.

Lord Vader said:
Yep, i gues internet is backed up to optical media :D What a joke.
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It's a good thing the internet is backed up, lest someone drags it to the trash.
 
2005CTS said:
Now now, don't confuse the discussion with facts. Steve Jobs says that blu-ray technology is not the future and as his fan boys state - it is "dead on arrival". Carry on...nothing to see here.

I think I will go home tonight and throw away all my blu-ray discs since they are a dead technology.
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It's not a dead technology... yet. That's where the big shift is going to happen over the next 5+ years. People are tired of having to re-buy their entire media collections each time a new format comes out. They will begin questioning why they need to own their own collection of music and movies they barely watch more than once. They'll decide they'd rather have access to a huge database of content for a one time rental or an all-you-can-eat subscription fee. Think about it... you buy a DVD or Blu-Ray for ~$20 and watch it how many times? OR you rent it on demand once for ~$5 or as many times as you want as part of your monthly "media bill." It'll take a little bit longer for bandwidth/data transmission speeds to get where they need to be for this to be feasible for the masses but you watch what happens in the next 5 years.
 
Cool, a MAC rumor on MACrumors' front page two days in a row now! :eek: :)

Although I wonder if USB 3.0 and the faster firewire will be too fast for a lot of printers and external HDs that people are making today?
 
a) Apple is not going to put blue ray in the macpro's

why: because not good for apple bussines, ***** what the everybody else says/thinks/might need

b) Mac computers will not support watching Blue ray discs.

why: because not good for apple bussines, ****** what everybody else/says/thinks/needs

c) Apple doesn't care about what the customer wants, why?

Because Apple is run by a bunch of gone mad egocentric wankers that think they know best - they will tell you all kinds of stupid ***** just to try and brainwash you. telling you what you do en don't need.

d) if you want a real computer, don't by Mac crap,why?

i think by know they proofed to be way behind of the competition when it comes to specs/updates/price - performance comparison.

They are a mobile device company now. its a bit like Nokia they tried making tv's and stuff ones, they failed, stick to what you do best - meaning Apple should stick to making Icrap/toys. then again today they even fail doing that (iphone4 drama)

Appels + points = great design, great OS
Apples - points = outdated overpriced hardware, nothing close to a real pro machine (macpro,mbp), cant keep up with the competition, populair because its a hype, not because its such a good value for money product. Apples paranoid secrecy and no communication towards customers regarding updates...etc the list goes on and on and on and....
 
toke lahti said:
I still have cd's from 80's (way older than 512 MB IBM HDD from the time Jesus walked the earth) , can't say the same about hdd's. No matter how you turn it optical media is better for backups and faster and cheaper.
Ask National Archive if you don't believe.
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In a box in my office is a 250 MB HDD from my 1996 Performa. I replaced it with a 4.3 GB HDD. Also in the box is a 250 MB HDD from an external drive that used a SCSI connector. That was my backup before I bought a second 4.3 GB HDD to put in the external enclosure. And those drives cannot be connected to my 2008 Mac easily. I'm sure someone makes a connecting adapter, but it's probably expensive.

It was 1991 when I bought my first 2 CDs, For Our Children, and Late Night Grande Hotel. The CDs are put away, and I listen to these from my iTunes collection. I had seen portable CD players in a Radio Shack store, but that was probably the late 1980s. It was priced at something over $200. That also was about the same time I saw a demonstration of a CD which had an entire encyclopedia stored on it. (I also saw a demonstration of a ruby laser in 1965 at an ACS meeting, but that's another story.)
 
scoobydoo99 said:
Of course they do. But look at the BluRay adoption curve versus the DVD adoption curve starting in the late 90's. BluRay simply isn't attractive to the mainstream the way DVD was. Couple that with the increasing availability of digital downloads, storage capacity increases, and the benefits of leaving behind the days of storing piles and piles of physical media.....and you have a technology that is DEAD ON ARRIVAL. Will it continue to sell for a while and even gain market share? Of course. But it will NEVER reach the market penetration that DVD did. The future is digital downloads and streaming. :)
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Thanks for emphasizing what I've been saying for years now; yet the luddites never get to understand it.

It's OBVIOUS that Blu-Ray will be selling more in the future; but it's even more obvious that the adoption rate is simply not there for 99% of the people. The gains ARE marginal and way LOWER compared to the migration VHS-DVD.

Sure, if I am a new consumer buying a first-rate big screen TV and a disc player, I will probably get one with BR features (yes, I prefer BR to the stupidly illogical acronym BD)...does this mean BR is already mainstream? Absolutely not.

Just check mature market channels such as Best Buy in the US and you'll see that DVD FAR outsells BR by a large margin. Add to that the new streaming/download options you mentioned above, the much more stringent DRM in BR, plus increasingly ubiquitous broadband access (heck, I have 20Mbps for 40 bucks here in Switzerland), and you'll see that BR is a moribund technology just like videodisc, Minidisc and Betamax, no matter how much greedy manufacturers and studios try to push it.
 
I dont care much for what the new tech will be, just give us better options for display cards. Ive been having problems with my Mac Pro 4, 1 w/ Nvidia Quadro FX4800 of late. AE on this system dont play nice at all :(
I have to use an older Mac Pro 1, 1 w/ Quadro FX4500 just to finish jobs :p
 
the editor said:
a) Apple is not going to put blue ray in the macpro's

why: because not good for apple bussines, ***** what the everybody else says/thinks/might need

b) Mac computers will not support watching Blue ray discs.

why: because not good for apple bussines, ****** what everybody else/says/thinks/needs

c) Apple doesn't care about what the customer wants, why?

Because Apple is run by a bunch of gone mad egocentric wankers that think they know best - they will tell you all kinds of stupid ***** just to try and brainwash you. telling you what you do en don't need.

d) if you want a real computer, don't by Mac crap,why?

i think by know they proofed to be way behind of the competition when it comes to specs/updates/price - performance comparison.

They are a mobile device company now. its a bit like Nokia they tried making tv's and stuff ones, they failed, stick to what you do best - meaning Apple should stick to making Icrap/toys. then again today they even fail doing that (iphone4 drama)

Appels + points = great design, great OS
Apples - points = outdated overpriced hardware, nothing close to a real pro machine (macpro,mbp), cant keep up with the competition, populair because its a hype, not because its such a good value for money product. Apples paranoid secrecy and no communication towards customers regarding updates...etc the list goes on and on and on and....
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Stay in school, kid.
 
I can't believe how many people on this website happily settle for what Apple gives them. I love Apple, but them limiting technology and telling us what we do and don't need gets old quickly. By all means, Apple is a luxury electronics company, there should not be any compromises in product quality or technology. I just can't understand why people agree with Apple and get less for more money. When you're buying a $2500+ computer, it should have every technology available-no excuses. Macs not having a Blu-Ray option while $500 PC's do, is unacceptable, it's like your $40,000 BMW not having a GPS option while your nephew's $20,000 Honda Civic does.

But that's why I Hackintosh.:)
 
baryon said:
I want Apple to bring back FireWire 400: Digital medium format cameras, pro camcorders and tape decks all use 400. Having to use an expensive adapter for everything is a pain, and finding out that your entire university is filled with macs but you can't download the pictures from the medium format camera because you forgot your freaking adapter at home makes me really angry!
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FireWire 800 - FireWire 400 Cable, 6FT, Black - $4.60

IEEE 1394 6M/4F Adaptor - $2.04

IEEE 1394 6F/4M Adaptor - $2.04

A cable and a couple of these adapters should fit in your camera case or pocket no problem. They are cheap enough to buy a few to keep in multiple places. I'll bet you could even put the adapters on a keychain somehow with a little creativity. Good luck! :)
 
Dumber than Anakin

Lord Vader said:
I still have 6.4 GB WD HDD from 1999 (not to mention 512 MB IBM HDD from the time Jesus walked the earth) , can't say the same about CD or DVD discs. No matter how you turn it HDD is better for backups and faster and cheaper.
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1.) You only need 8 of those HDDs and you can put a 50GB BR on them. Wait... you can't.

2.) HDDs fail, that's a fact of life. Optical discs are safer for backup. Most corporations still use magnetic media or optical discs for backing up data.

3.) I just came back because I wanted to see how more reasonable people are tearing you to bits. It's fun to watch your 'arguments' fail.

4.) If you start a post with "Bla bla bla (sic)" and if you repeat your broken record bit, don't blame others for not taking you seriously.
 
BRLawyer said:
Thanks for emphasizing what I've been saying for years not; yet the luddites never get to understand it.

It's OBVIOUS that Blu-Ray will be selling more in the future; but it's even more obvious that the adoption rate is simply not there for 99% of the people. The gains ARE marginal and way LOWER compared to the migration VHS-DVD.

Sure, if I am a new consumer buying a first-rate big screen TV and a disc player, I will probably get one with BR features (yes, I prefer BR to the stupidly illogical acronym BD)...does this mean BR is already mainstream? Absolutely not.

Just check mature market channels such as Best Buy in the US and you'll see that DVD FAR outsells BR by a large margin. Add to that the new streaming/download options you mentioned above, the much more stringent DRM in BR, plus increasingly ubiquitous broadband access (heck, I have 20Mbps for 40 bucks here in Switzerland), and you'll see that BR is a moribund technology just like videodisc, Minidisc and Betamax, no matter how much greedy manufacturers and studios try to push it.
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That logic is flawed, for if I were to use the same logic, that would mean Windows is the superior OS. We all know deep down inside that that is completely untrue.

BTW, I don't think Europe is a clear indicator of how the global internet market is at. You guys have a government that actually cares if companies compete.
 
I can see streaming movies will eventually become mainstream, but it will be many years before BD is obsolete, just as CD is still around today, more than seven years since iTunes store debuted.

Until we can stream a full length movie in full HD with uncompressed 7.1 uninterrupted, I'll stick with my BD :D
 
2005CTS said:
Now now, don't confuse the discussion with facts. Steve Jobs says that blu-ray technology is not the future and as his fan boys state - it is "dead on arrival". Carry on...nothing to see here.

I think I will go home tonight and throw away all my blu-ray discs since they are a dead technology.
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Only way I am throwing my blu-ray disk is when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

Dead technology, maybe if you own a cheap tv. but on my 50 inch Samsung I don't think so, and lets not even get started on the sweet sound of 7.1.

Steve can say what every he wants, I am sure he uses blu-ray at home also. That its not as big deal on the computer side, ok I can see that, a bit expensive still for hardware and disk but there is nothing DOA about the technology, as well as how nice the PS3 runs movies.
 
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