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Well actually they kinda did with the 2016 model by going all in with TB3. The only difference is that the choice is now entirely up to the user instead of the manufacturer. Some people are not comfortable making their own choices, they want to have everything laid out for them.

You win this time, but next time I'll be ready for you. ;)

But yes, the beauty of TB3 / USB-C is that they can be adapted to pretty much any port you could possibly need.
 
Are you. Telling me. That the new MBP's. Don't have the wings on the power adapter that let you wind the cord up on the adapter?
That's right --

So you can unplug the cord from the adapter and wrap it in a less-severe loop (saving it from fraying at the adapter junction like some people do to their MagSafe adapters) , and you don't have wings to break off of the adapter anymore (doesn't happen often, but someone else posted about it earlier this week).

AND so you can get any USB-C cable if the original wears out -- a much cheaper replacement than what we did with MagSafe.

Overall, MagSafe had just one notable advantage over the new setup: easy disconnection. And it looks like this could be covered by third parties, too.
 
I miss Magsafe sometimes, but change to USB-C also has some pros:

1) USB-C Power cord detachable from power adapter so that I can easily replace the cord without replacing the whole thing
2) USB-C Power Delivery allowing, for example, external monitor to charge the MBP
3) You can connect the power cord either side which sometimes is convenient.

Only thing I don't like is there is no 3rd party USB-C adapters and USB-C cable that can supply enough power for MBP 15". They are mostly available in 65W.

As far as the expansion port wise, USB-C is nice and way to future I believe, but exclusion of SD card reader is one thing I miss. In addition, forcing me to purchase USB-C to lightning is shame on Apple's part.
 
Do you know what's one of the biggest reasons why Windows sucks? Legacy support. Hidpi has issues in Windows? Legacy apps (no UWP app has problems). Antivirus causes slowdown after the Creators Update? Legacy support. Developer decides not to use modern tools to create a new UI? Legacy compatibility.

Do you know why 3ds Max is a huge, bloated piece of $%@^ instead a fast, optimized app? Legacy compatibility.

Do you know why Photoshop still has a choppy, laggy zoom, or unexplained slowdowns compared to a modern iOS app like Procreate? Yup - legacy support.

So, now Microsoft has to resort to drastic measures like forcing updates to Win 10 users. It sucks, but I understand why they are doing that.

It's also why a lot of people were disappointed they made a 32bit version of Win 10. Bad move Microsoft. But they are changing, and becoming more brave when it comes to cutting off old, legacy stuff.

Ok, so sometimes - you must have legacy support. Maybe your work depends on it. But you know where legacy support is not "a must"? Ports. Why? Because you can change cables, get adapters, etc. No, it's not a big deal, so man up or woman up - and accept that this is so that we can have better things.

You want things "to just work"? Say no to legacy support. You want companies to focus on innovation? Say no to legacy support. No great breakthrough was achieved in the comfort zone. Short-term convenience or long-term advancement?

It's incredible to me how people are outraged if the CPU or GPU in their computer is not the latest gen, but god forbid if ports get removed. Go to Surface Studio forums and see how many people ware crying over the fact that the Nvidia inside is not series 10. Forget about the awesome zero-gravity hinge or the Surface dial - it's not the latest GPU. And let's not get started on the whole "Why isn't it Kaby-Lake" thing on the MBP. But remove function keys, remove old ports - it's the end of the world.


I want to say a few things:

1. There is a huge difference between a MBP with USB-C only ports, and that same MBP with even just one USB-A port. One is a step towards the future, the other one is a Windows PC clone.

2. I seriously doubt it will happen, but if Apple decides to make any future Mac that has a legacy port, it will be the first time ever that I would use the phrase "This is not the Apple Jobs made anymore".

3. Stop saying the new MBPs (at least the TB models) have less ports than the old one. Old MBPs have more VARIETY, but less USB ports, less TB ports, less video out ports, less charging ports, etc.


Not ready to accept change? You're in luck. There are a LOT of options for you. Even Mac ones. Apple still sells old MBPs. There are dozens of good Windows laptops. But stop saying that Apple should've included old ports on MBPs. Thank you.

Apple should've included the old ports in the new 2016 MBP. I have a thumb drive that I can't connect anymore. Can't charge my iPhone either. Right now there's just not enough ports to make the computer worth it IMO (HDMI, MagSafe, etc)
 
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Apple should've included the old ports in the new 2016 MBP. I have a thumb drive that I can't connect anymore. Can't charge my iPhone either. Right now there's just not enough ports to make the computer worth it IMO (HDMI, MagSafe, etc)

"You're launching an iPhone without a physical keyboard? It doesn't send MMS? It has no 3G? Apple should've included these things in the iPhone! I have a picture I can't send. Right now there's just not enough features to make the iPhone worth it."

I just explained why they shouldn't have included the old ports. You want to trade long-term advancements for your short-term convenience? There are dozens of laptop manufacturers that will compromise and offer just that. There is only one Apple - and with all the benefits and faults of their approach, in the end - their way seems to work out and there is a reason why their products stand the test of time. Because they cut off the old and do not drag around with legacy.

Do you really want to slow down the advancement of next gen ports so you can attach some 2.0 USB Thumb drives? Get a PC. Or get a MBP, enjoy the fact that you're on the bleeding edge of tech and just get a few adapters until you get the next iPhone (that will certainly come with USB-C to lightning cable - or maybe even have the USB-C port) and until you get some great USB-C monitor, etc.

If you don't want to wait, don't want to spend money on latest gear - nothing wrong with that. But MacBook Pro.... and even Apple entirely - is not for you. I hear the new Surface Laptop from Microsoft is awesome - for people who want, you know, USB-A.
 
Get a PC. Or get a MBP, enjoy the fact that you're on the bleeding edge of tech

This is what some people are failing to do, for obvious reasons. We are not 12 year old kids, please give us more credit than for us to just be like "Oh look, shiny, new", some people actually like things that work without hassle in the name of "bleeding edge".

You can take a step forward without going completely back. The "no keyboard" comparison you are trying to make again, like before, is a huge stretch. There is nothing wrong with having both a USB-C and a USB 3.0 on a device, but having both a touch screen and a keyboard has a clear identity crisis (those companies who did just that, had complaints on a similar effect). Also the lack of 3G was a problem, which is why it was introduced later on.
 
This is what some people are failing to do, for obvious reasons. We are not 12 year old kids, please give us more credit than for us to just be like "Oh look, shiny, new", some people actually like things that work without hassle in the name of "bleeding edge".


Hassle conquered deserts, built damns, sent rockets to the moon. What's wrong with a little bit of hassle? No one is asking you to give your first born, just to replace a $10 cable. You know what the current tech world of AIs and touchscreens needs? A little bit more hassle in people's lives.

But people don't like hassle. They also don't like computers or gadgets or software. And they hate change. They say they like change, but only if it's some small addition to their lives, while things stay the same. Oh sure, add this usb-c port to my computer if you must, but don't touch anything I already use.

For this reason, the most popular OS in the world is the 7 year old Windows 7. And 10% of all computer users is still on XP. And we'll have a future where you have USB-C plugs in hotels and planes, where you can charge your phone with your computer charger, where you can use one cable to attach your console/device/whatever to your TV and charge it at the same time - well, in 20 years instead of 5.
 
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For this reason, the most popular OS in the world is the 7 year old Windows 7. And 10% of all computer users is still on XP. And we'll have a future where you have USB-C plugs in hotels and planes, where you can charge your phone with your computer charger, where you can use one cable to attach your console/device/whatever to your TV and charge it at the same time - well, in 20 years instead of 5.

The reason people are on older operating systems isn't because they don't like change - same thing happens to companies/professionals who use Linux/MacOS, it's more complex (and expensive) than just "let's update it" in the real world with a lot of cost/benefit analysis required- these people aren't just using Facetime and browsing Safari, companies can become bankrupt from a failed IT project.

It has no correlation to USB-C again.
 
The reason people are on older operating systems isn't because they don't like change - same thing happens to companies/professionals who use Linux/MacOS, it's more complex (and expensive) than just "let's update it" in the real world with a lot of cost/benefit analysis required- these people aren't just using Facetime and browsing Safari, companies can become bankrupt from a failed IT project.

It has no correlation to USB-C again.

Most companies/professionals are on Windows 10, because they rely on security patches, Microsoft support, etc. Their IT guys do the updating and after 2 years, yeah, they had time to do it. But companies/professionals are a small percentage of computer users. Vast majority of users are home users who had two years to update to a newer, more secure, more stable system. But they had to do it themselves, and wait for an hour for the thing to complete, and then get the new drivers, and it's a hassle - you know?

So, no, the reason why people are on Windows 7 is because they hate new stuff on computers, not because they are professionals.

People still using Windows 7 are using it because they don't care about updating or just won't bother with the 'hassle'. And it that's 50% of users. People just don't care, and they don't like new tech, and they don't really like computers but have to use them.

I read somewhere that a significan percentage of Mac users still didn't get used to the right click on the mouse. The reason: "it's confusing - they are used to the old way of using one-button mice". 3D Touch? Force Touch? Good luck with that.

But at the same time, people expect computers to do more, faster and better. So, people will whine that they have to get new cables to charge the iPhone on that Mac, but AT THE SAME TIME, they will be angry that the charger they have in the hotel room is not usable on their phone. And that they cannot carry just one charger with them, but need 3. And they will complain how they have a bunch of cables sticking out their computers.

"Apple - where's the innovation!? It's 2017 and I still have a bunch of different cables sticking out of my Mac. If Steve was here, he'd do something! Can't I have just one cable? Invent something!"

"Apple - it's 2017 and I have to carry THREE chargers on my trip!? Invent something!"

But when Apple comes with the solution, everyone is "but, but, it's too soon! And I have all these old cables.... and can't we have both? (even though we all know that will just prolong the transitional period that is, actually, worst of all)"

Just get the new cables, man.
 
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Most companies/professionals are on Windows 10, because they rely on security patches, Microsoft support, etc. Their IT guys do the updating and after 2 years, yeah, they had time to do it. But companies/professionals are a small percentage of computer users. Vast majority of users are home users who had two years to update to a newer, more secure, more stable system. But they had to do it themselves, and wait for an hour for the thing to complete, and then get the new drivers, and it's a hassle - you know?

So, no, the reason why people are on Windows 7 is because they hate new stuff on computers, not because they are professionals.

People still using Windows 7 are using it because they don't care about updating or just won't bother with the 'hassle'. And it that's 50% of users. People just don't care, and they don't like new tech, and they don't really like computers but have to use them.

Let's talk about home users - a lot of people didn't upgrade to Windows 10 because they didn't like what it has to offer. What is wrong with that? Not to do with hassle. Some people experienced issues with some of their software, some people use things which don't even have drivers yet (various Bluetooth adapters for example, or certain mouses/keyboards). Then we have to ask, what is the benefit they receive? Potential "security" updates, which aren't relevant for all.

Some aren't happy with the forced update/data collection. Even if people weren't bothered, so what? People should be enticed to upgrade with something good.

I read somewhere that a significan percentage of Mac users still didn't get used to the right click on the mouse. The reason: "it's confusing - they are used to the old way of using one-button mice". 3D Touch? Force Touch? Good luck with that.

I haven't read that, in fact one of the complaints from users, after having experienced two clicks, was that there should be two clicks. The "one click" is a minority issue, probably similar to how there are some people who want 4:3 screens.

But at the same time, people expect computers to do more, faster and better. So, people will whine that they have to get new cables to charge the iPhone on that Mac, but AT THE SAME TIME, they will be angry that the charger they have in the hotel room is not usable on their phone. And that they cannot carry just one charger with them, but need 3. And they will complain how they have a bunch of cables sticking out their computers.

Bad comparisons here - Apple and hotel's are not business partners. However, Apple not having the same cable standard between all their devices is bizarre.

"Apple - where's the innovation!? It's 2017 and I still have a bunch of different cables sticking out of my Mac. If Steve was here, he'd do something! Can't I have just one cable? Invent something!"

"Apple - it's 2017 and I have to carry THREE chargers on my trip!? Invent something!"

But when Apple comes with the solution, everyone is "but, but, it's too soon! And I have all these old cables.... and can't we have both? (even though we all know that will just prolong the transitional period that is, actually, worst of all)"

Just get the new cables, man.

The idea that if Apple had included one old slot that suddenly the industry will innovate more slowly is very too flattering to Apple.
 
HA!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"Most companies/professionals are on Windows 10" What a hoot!

Source?


I made an estimate - but it's not the point. Even if wrong - people are hesitant to try new things. Most people just don't care.

But then, there are a number of smartasses who just like to dismiss any update or new tech as some gimmick. From retina screens to new ports - it's all just a gimmick. Real pros don't want that, they want thicker devices with more RAM and gaming GPUs.

Same with Windows 10. Real pros don't need UWP or better UI - gimmicks!

Let's ditch this whole pro nonsense - the fact is, people hate change for one way or the other and, based on usage data, if it was up to majority of people, we would be using an OS that is 7 years old. Same with USB-C.

I guess that is ok, but that isn't - and never was - Apple's way.
 
I made an estimate - but it's not the point. Even if wrong - people are hesitant to try new things. Most people just don't care.

But then, there are a number of smartasses who just like to dismiss any update or new tech as some gimmick. From retina screens to new ports - it's all just a gimmick. Real pros don't want that, they want thicker devices with more RAM and gaming GPUs.

Same with Windows 10. Real pros don't need UWP or better UI - gimmicks!

Let's ditch this whole pro nonsense - the fact is, people hate change for one way or the other and, based on usage data, if it was up to majority of people, we would be using an OS that is 7 years old. Same with USB-C.

I guess that is ok, but that isn't - and never was - Apple's way.
I agree entirely with you, I was just taking exception with the windows 10 comment because it's not even remotely true.
 
Most companies/professionals are on Windows 10
Not hardly, I work for a major company and they're still on windows 7

Here's the current marketshare based (not just enterprise bit overall) as told by netmarketshare
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I agree entirely with you, I was just taking exception with the windows 10 comment because it's not even remotely true.

:) No problem, I made a bad comparison - but it was beside the point.

As for Win 10 in companies - my mistake then. But that just shows how people are reluctant to new things. Imagine if an upgrade to Win 10 was obligatory. Like, Windows 7 stopped functioning - and everyone, from moms and dads to big companies had to upgrade to 10. Sure - there would be problems. And there would be annoyances that equal carrying adapters. But the result: every Windows PC would be Windows 10 and it would be much easier to deploy security patches and new technologies and developers could focus more on new features or app quality instead of supporting legacy compatiblility (for example, the Windows hidpi issues would probably be a thing of the past). The end result would be better for everyone. Makes the hassle with a few "adapters and cables" worth it.
 
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:) No problem, I made a bad comparison - but it was beside the point.

As for Win 10 in companies - my mistake then. But that just shows how people are reluctant to new things. Imagine if an upgrade to Win 10 was obligatory. Like, Windows 7 stopped functioning - and everyone, from moms and dads to big companies had to upgrade to 10. Sure - there would be problems. And there would be annoyances that equal carrying adapters. But the result: every Windows PC would be Windows 10 and it would be much easier to deploy security patches and new technologies and developers could focus more on new features or app quality instead of supporting legacy compatiblility (for example, the Windows hidpi issues would probably be a thing of the past). The end result would be better for everyone. Makes the hassle with a few "adapters and cables" worth it.
I've personally stated several times to my company that I'm quitting when we deploy windows 10. I'm onsite support, and I'm not going to teach 5,000+ people how to navigate their computer. They want to deploy it, they can hold classes on how to use it.

Windows 10 should have an enterprise version that allows skinning to look like 7 in terms of where all the standard functions are.
 
That's right --

So you can unplug the cord from the adapter and wrap it in a less-severe loop (saving it from fraying at the adapter junction like some people do to their MagSafe adapters) , and you don't have wings to break off of the adapter anymore (doesn't happen often, but someone else posted about it earlier this week).

AND so you can get any USB-C cable if the original wears out -- a much cheaper replacement than what we did with MagSafe.

Overall, MagSafe had just one notable advantage over the new setup: easy disconnection. And it looks like this could be covered by third parties, too.
This is the saddest thing I've read all day. :( I use the wings on the adapter every time that I travel! I really can't think of a reason why they'd remove that feature.

Ah, well. Like you said -- at least USB C isn't proprietary, so you aren't forced to buy an expensive power adapter from Apple if yours wears out.
 
I have the 27" iMac and before purchasing my 13" MacBook Pro (USB-C) I was trying to think of the last time that I actually plugged anything into it other than an SD Card... I couldn't think of anything...

It might just be the way that I work but I store everything in Dropbox and can give anyone in the world access to a file or folder with certain conditions in a second. I use Apple Photos for all my images which again allows me to share anything I want.

Everything in my office is wireless...

Personally I don't mind having an adaptor just for the SD Card situation, its a small payoff for the form factor of these new machines. I am also very impressed in the speed in which USB-C charges my laptop!

Apple just need to change the iPhone to USB-C, thats the only adaptor I think they should have included, mainly for charging from the laptop.
 
I've personally stated several times to my company that I'm quitting when we deploy windows 10. I'm onsite support, and I'm not going to teach 5,000+ people how to navigate their computer. They want to deploy it, they can hold classes on how to use it.

wow, give them a pencil and paper or rope to hang themselves.. it is better for mankind not to let them breed more.
 
wow, give them a pencil and paper or rope to hang themselves.. it is better for mankind not to let them breed more.
Frankly, I don't expect a 50 something to be able to adapt to the changes in UI (however minimally the actual navigational changes are) without training on it. I give them a break when they started working in the days before mass adoption of computers.

If they're 30 or under, I consider them to just be lazy and unwilling to pick up a new UI.
 
"You're launching an iPhone without a physical keyboard? It doesn't send MMS? It has no 3G? Apple should've included these things in the iPhone! I have a picture I can't send. Right now there's just not enough features to make the iPhone worth it."

I just explained why they shouldn't have included the old ports. You want to trade long-term advancements for your short-term convenience? There are dozens of laptop manufacturers that will compromise and offer just that. There is only one Apple - and with all the benefits and faults of their approach, in the end - their way seems to work out and there is a reason why their products stand the test of time. Because they cut off the old and do not drag around with legacy.

Do you really want to slow down the advancement of next gen ports so you can attach some 2.0 USB Thumb drives? Get a PC. Or get a MBP, enjoy the fact that you're on the bleeding edge of tech and just get a few adapters until you get the next iPhone (that will certainly come with USB-C to lightning cable - or maybe even have the USB-C port) and until you get some great USB-C monitor, etc.

If you don't want to wait, don't want to spend money on latest gear - nothing wrong with that. But MacBook Pro.... and even Apple entirely - is not for you. I hear the new Surface Laptop from Microsoft is awesome - for people who want, you know, USB-A.

How "advanced" is it if I can't even connect my iPhone to my MacBook to charge?
 
Wow. Solutions for problems presented by engineers that did not think things through for typical current users. aka - buy a dongle or two or three and hope all your stuff still works. That is your take? Complicate vs. Simplify. ;)
No, that is your take ;) Someone else's take could be to be a previous model, not to upgrade, buy something else, etc. Not to mention that for some these things are not even a problem at all. There are people out there who use a notebook, well, as a notebook.

Most companies/professionals are on Windows 10, because they rely on security patches, Microsoft support, etc.
That is most definitely not true at all. Most companies/professionals are not on Windows 10 because of various reasons: no budget, it works (so no reason to upgrade), no idea they can do it (mind you, most people have very little clue about computers, it's why we have auto-updates we can't turn off now), takes a lot of time to change the custom install they are using but most of all: the software they are using requires renewing (which may not be possible, too expensive, etc.). With Windows 10 one can add a new item: the snooping of the OS which makes it not compliant with some certifications such as HIPAA. That's an awful lot of companies.

Remember, IT is about supporting the business, not about implementing everything shiny and new. We have to meet all sorts of technical requirements as well as legal ones and still stay within a certain budget.

So, no, the reason why people are on Windows 7 is because they hate new stuff on computers, not because they are professionals.
It is exactly the opposite. They are using Windows 7 because they are professionals as they know their software is key to their profession and because they know that they have to follow rules, regulations, law, etc. The reason why most consumers are still on Windows 7 is very simple: they don't know any better. In case of professionals these things are like a hammer: a tool. It supports whatever they are doing and that's all they have to do.

But at the same time, people expect computers to do more, faster and better. So, people will whine that they have to get new cables to charge the iPhone on that Mac, but AT THE SAME TIME, they will be angry that the charger they have in the hotel room is not usable on their phone.
There will always be a small percentage of users that will do this but most really do not care. They get the new cable if that's what they need to make it work.

I can tell you have very little affiliation with IT management and IT support. Things are very different from how you think they are. There are very sound technical and non-technical reasons to stick with older versions.

This is the saddest thing I've read all day. :( I use the wings on the adapter every time that I travel! I really can't think of a reason why they'd remove that feature.
Because it is bad for your cables. It should have never been on it in the first place.

How "advanced" is it if I can't even connect my iPhone to my MacBook to charge?
There is no such thing as not being able to connect your iPhone to your MacBook. You can do it via a USB-C cable or use an adapter.
 
Here's my set up. Hopefully it'll be helpful to someone that's trying to adapt to the USB-C life.

1. LG 5K (ethernet adapter, Sandisk SD UHS-II adapter, USB-C hard drive on the back)
2. TB3 Cable (charge/data cable for my laptop and data cable for my hard drive)
3. TB2 Cable (for my TB2 SSD)
4. TB3 to TB2 adapter
5. Lightning to USB-C cable (so I can use the laptop brick to charge my phone)
6. Laptop power brick (charges my phone and laptop)

I have the Apple Multiport AV adapter too, but I haven't used it because I airplay everything. As for USB-A, I don't use it anymore. My house is all Mac and so is my work so I transfer everything via Thunderbolt.

The USB-C life will be difficult if your work environment is a mix of Macs and Windows.
 
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How "advanced" is it if I can't even connect my iPhone to my MacBook to charge?

This is the oposite of truth. I connect and charge both my iPhone and my iPad Pro to my MBP every single day. When you decide to buy a $2000 computer, add $20 to get an usb-c lightning cable. Or, just buy the $10 adapter and attach it to your existing cable. Both work great.
 
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