"USB-C only" = "Think different"

[SteveJUAE]

You do have options. You can buy a legacy port adapter for your legacy device.

One port is all you need. If you're an 18 year old or something, buying your first laptop, all of your future device purchases will be USB-C. It's only a problem for people who have an established array of items that use a bunch of legacy ports. It's inconvenient for those people, yes, but it's still the right thing to do.

Furthermore, we need a wireless world. Reducing the variety of connectors, and working to make everything we see wireless is the right direction.

Or you can use a legacy port adapter for your new USB-C device, it's same same

For what ever reason MS seems not to agree with 18 year old's (certainly not in the near future) as they have opted for USB-A port on their educational range of new Surface Laptops, although I tend to agree is some instances a USB-C could of been more preferable but that's only because they also gave a separate power socket and mini HDMI out, so it's not a single port laptop like the MB for example

Yes I agree wireless needs to evolve more

FYI I have over 5 USB-C devices (2 laptops, speaker, 2 phones) excluding accessories etc, with 3 prior to MBP release all of them have some form of inconsistence between them be it charging, interface compatibility etc simply as the port can be configured more as the OEM wishes and the variance in cable specs and through charging of dongles

Given most recent laptops are USB 3.0 gen USB-A IMO is currently far less confusing for the masses
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Oh they did, did they? Source of the data, please. Because the latest quarter results shows revenue growth of 14% and that is with just 4% growth of units sold - and most of that is from laptops, so that means expensive laptops - MacBook Pros - are selling really well. I don't know how much of the buyers are "pros", but nothing indicates that Apple alienated 15% of them.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/05/apple-reports-second-quarter-results/

The hate towards new MBPs from some people on these forums is incredible. They are selling well, with good reason too.

You see no benefit?

So, greater reliability, durability and speed, combined with smaller size and the fact that it's universal and reversable - that's not a benefit to you? I am curious, what woud be a real benefit for you? Free coffee? Higher fps in Witcher 3?

And I already explained why "having options" just prolongs the mess of the transitional period we're in.

Please read my post more carefully you are misinterpreting, I said "Apple seem to have already alienated some of the top 15% (Pro's)"

Apple have already been quoted in recent interviews of declaring that their data shows only 15% of the user base uses their "Pro" applications on a regular basis, I simple stated that some of these 15% have been alienated and not how you have chosen to interpret it

As for sources of data you are simply guessing in to the 2ndQ release as Apple never give the actual breakdown of units unless your crystal ball is better than everyone else's, we have no idea what Mac's are doing well

Further more your next point is quoted out of context I said :

"USB-C is here to stay I just see no benefit to the masses forcing it down their throats having options is always nice"

How you get your rhetoric on I see no benefit from that is anyone's guess

I have already noted USB-C is the future. I have over 5 devices and several accessories that are all USB-C and are problematic at times and I consider myself like many here an above average user.

The transitioning to USB-C only will take time and for the present I see no harm in systems that have some legacy ports and in some instance (eg SD cards) can be more convenient and cheaper for some
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Be fair and realistic about it: Apple has always been expensive and has never been an option for the lower end wannabe owners. They may have alienated some pros but they have also attracted others because of the 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports. Hence why the new MBP is selling better than the previous model.

I think some people are unaware what Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C are doing. We are slowly but gradually moving towards a rather different kind of computing. That's what Satya Nadella meant with his "the phone is dead, you'll see something entirely different" remark. It is going to be far more modular than it is now.

I don't disagree

I just think it's a shame for some wannabes but no doubt Apple have done their numbers and these lower budget buyers are also probably the slowest return customers so they chopped them off.

I wonder what the next one will be only 16GB and 1T SSD options LOL

As for the real "Pro's" they can just suck it up and splash their cash elsewhere if they choose

 

[MrX8503]

The Sony A9 uses SDXC as the primary card, and it is faster than any DSLR made. If you expand your view to beyond just still photography, many 4k professional video cameras use only SDXC, e.g, the Panasonic AG-DVX200 and Sony FS5. My documentary video crew often shoots 1 terabyte per day -- all on SDXC.

CF is not faster than the latest SDXC UHS-II cards -- they are faster than CF will ever be. It's true the incompatible CFast cards are faster than SDXC, but then XQD is or will be faster than CFast: http://resourcemagonline.com/2016/1...ttle-is-already-over-stop-buying-cfast/68002/

If Apple had included a UHS-II SDXC slot in the MBP, that would have covered a lot of usage, especially for video. However it's true as you go up the camera ladder the storage types tend to splinter. So depending on what level and type of "pro" use, an external card reader might be necessary. If that is the usage model, then why build an SDXC slot into the MBP? Nonetheless I'd have preferred to see the SDXC slot, but I'm biased because we shoot so much content in that format.

The beauty of USB-C is that it can support whatever format you want. The Sandisk Extreme SD UHS-II reader supports the fastest SD cards out there.

Would have been nice if Apple integrated a UHS-II reader, but then again, I don't think any laptops are currently.

 

[martinocando]

As soon as the new MBPs appeared, people started complaining about the USB-C only ports, and soldered ram and SSDs. I agreed for a time. Couple weeks ago, I received my new 15 inch 2016 MBP, and I can see why they made the decision to go with USB-C only ports. If you look at the sides, and measure the old MBP with the new one, you'll realize that legacy USB and Thunderbolt 2 ports don't fit. The SD card slot is indeed sorely missed, leaving the headphone plug is strange, even more now that the iPhone 7 lost it, but they could have left the SD card slot. Is really not that thick.

Anyway, at my 51 years of age, my back is not as strong as it used to be, so I really value how lighter and thinner the new MBP is, compared to the 2015 model. Is not massive, but I can feel it in my shoulders, and it fits my backpack with way more room that my former laptop.

I don't think there would have been room for RAM and SSD sockets either, so they have to solder them down.

 

[dyn]

I too love photography and I'm gunning for the Sony A9 and so I bemoan the lack of an SD card slot in the new MacBooks.

There are many different kinds of SD card readers. Most of the SD card readers used in notebooks are slow USB ones that are not capable of supporting the fast speeds of the UHS 1 and UHS 2 cards. UHS 1 is something that we are seeing more often with cameras with some even using USH 2 (the Fujifilm X-T2 even has 2 UHS 2 slots). With a 24 megapixel full frame sensor you'd want those fast SD cards and accompanying SD card reader. That pretty much rules out any in-built SD card reader so you're stuck with an external one anyway. Not to mention that those card readers may not even be able to read the card.

The camera also comes with 2 of those SD slots so you'd have to hope that there is enough space to not only eject them but also to grab them. My Fuji X-Pro2 has 2 slots as well where only the card in the first slot is easy to grab, the other is almost impossible due to the close proximity of the door. This is not an issue when I set the second card to be a full backup of the first but it is going to be an issue when I opt for a different setting (such as splitting RAW and JPEG: RAW goes to card 1, JPEG to card 2...). Luckily I can still use a USB cable (wifi is an option but even more cumbersome), much easier than grabbing the needle nose pliers.

I also hate the idea of dongles and it seems like a step backwards although I get why Apple went with USB-C ports only.

And mostly you won't need them. You can buy cables instead which also gives you the opportunity to buy them at the correct length; device manufacturers can sometimes be cheapskates and supply you with a rather short USB cable (the USB-C multiport adapter ones are an example of that too).

Also, I completely respect the opinion of Louis Rossman who fixes MacBooks and has his own YouTube channel. If anyone knows MacBooks from the inside-out it is Louis Rossman.

His knowledge is limited to how to fix certain hardware issues. He lacks a lot of knowledge concerning use cases of computers. If you need to replace your wifi card in an old Mac Pro then he's the one to go to but if you need assistance with your photo edit workflow he's the last person to turn to. The other thing to note here is that Apple is threatening his business. You can do two things: put your creative mind to work and come up with a different business model or you do what he does: scream from the top of your lungs. That's what sets professionals and amateurs apart. Professionals go with the former. It also shows why Louis lacks the use case part of computing. He only sees what Apple is doing as a threat to his business, he doesn't see the possibilities this new approach might open.

I can only the guess that the reason Apple would epoxy the hard drive to the chassis is to prevent repairs from 3rd party repair shops. I can't endorse Apples decision and I support Louis Rossman's right-to-repair bill. Just like a car, if I pay money for a computer, I own it and should be able to fix it as I please.

Then I don't think what you are getting yourself into (and neither does Louis). While it is really nice that you can repair and solve things yourself it also means there will be compromises to accommodate this. Notebooks will be a lot heavier and thicker than they are now (at least twice as they are now) and devices like a smartphone or tablet wouldn't even be possible. They simply become to heavy and thick to handle. Weight and size is crucial for devices that are meant to be portable and it will impact health as well (you have to carry it all). It requires a lot of issue solving first and you'll run the risk that there simply may not be a solution. These issues aren't only technical, they are legal as well (who's responsible when you blow up your smartphone because something went wrong with the lipo battery?).

The other thing you should ask yourself is why considering the fact that more than 80 to 90% of the population knows very little about IT. They don't have the skills, knowledge or tools to repair themselves and are requiring companies to do it for them. In businesses it is very common to let someone else do this because they know what they are doing and have the time for it. People want to focus on their own business which isn't fixing computers.

In case of computers there is another thing to understand. With technology like Thunderbolt we are moving towards a model that is akin to Lego. You simply use various modules and upgrade those which is quite similar to what we used to do in the past. That means you need to define what should be repairable. Are we talking about modules such as replacing disks and memory or are we talking about modules such as a NUC or eGPU?
This also brings me to another issue: we have to go back in time and ditch the entire SMD process as it requires very expensive equipment and an awful lot of skill similar to that of a brain surgeon. Even professionals have great difficulty with that. If you want to make PCBs repairable then you'd have to go back in time and return to those old skool components that you can still solder by hand with a soldering iron. I don't think I'd have to mention the implications of this. This is clearly something you really do not want to do.
It is the tiny scale of electronics that make your comparison with a car completely ridiculous. We are talking about components that are measured in nanometers vs components that are measured in centimeters and meters. The former requires a microscope, the latter doesn't even require good eyesight. You could talk components but then we are back to the discussion as to what makes a component.

Apple and others aren't doing this to annoy the users, they are doing this to please them and to make new kinds of devices and use cases. That's what technology does. So we do have to asks ourselves how much we really want those things to be repairable. Why not make it mandatory to sell devices that last for 10 years? But most of all: how does average Joe benefit from it all? From what I can tell the only benefits are for the repair businesses, average Joe is not getting anywhere with this right to repair thing. Are we going to protect the consumer or are we going to protect business (and thus victimise the consumer)?

 

[Hieveryone]

I know this may come as a shock, but you are not required by laws of man or nature to use the included USB-A cable! You can totally get an USB-C one (which will almost certainly be included in the new iPhone anyway) and use that.

"But it's not included in the iPhone box!!" - um, yeah? So? It's not like you're breaking an ancient covenant when you get a new cable OUTSIDE the box. Sure, it costs money, but it's, what, 1/100 of MBPs price? You'll be fine. Really.

Just like you had to get new cables when Apple switched from the 30-pin ports to Lightning! If you're into Apple, you know this is what Apple does - whenever there is something better to replace the old thing with - they do it. I'm just surprised people are somehow shocked by this. This is typical Apple.

You can order the new cable together with your new MBP, or buy later. And then all your troubles are gone! Seriously, this is not an issue, unless you're determined to make one out of it.

All jokes aside - is this really such a problem? Did you even try using the new MBP and see how USB-C works in everyday situations, or are you just dismissing the whole port situation because internet?
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While I support user-repairability (is that a word?), Rossman is very biased in this case, as his entire business depends on opening Macs. He also likes to make these rants how Macs suck and says that even though he repairs them, he never used one and doesn't like them. So, I'd take his comments with a grain of salt.

I would prefer if you could just open and repair your own devices, but it's obvious the industry is going in a different direction. I don't think you can easily self-repair MS Surfaces either.

What I'm saying is that if Apple included the right ports you could charge your iPhone

 

[csurfr]

What I'm saying is that if Apple included the right ports you could charge your iPhone

Or people could stop being cheap and buy a 15.00 USB-C to Lightning cable, right?

Because that's what this all comes down to. Money. People are willing to shell out 2000.00 for a laptop but then balk at a 15.00 cable.

It's simple really. If "people", (not you in particular) want the new MacBook Pro there is the cost of upgrading to USB-C. Sure, it's a pain, but it's a one time pain. If "people" can't handle that then don't buy. Clearly it's not a problem for most, because they are selling very, very well.

 

[ZapNZs]

Clearly it's not a problem for most, because they are selling very, very well.

Kind of like how the statement about 'pros leaving Apple' can't be quantified, I'm not sure if we can quantify 'selling really well' either beyond a bulk figure, as I don't think there is data to show how much the sales figures are comprised by the 2012 13 Uni versus the 2015 models versus the 2016 models? (I could be wrong and may have missed such data?)

 

[csurfr]

Kind of like how the statement about 'pros leaving Apple' can't be quantified, I'm not sure if we can quantify 'selling really well' either beyond a bulk figure, as I don't think there is data to show how much the sales figures are comprised by the 2012 13 Uni versus the 2015 models versus the 2016 models? (I could be wrong and may have missed such data?)

Tim Cook has stated that there is strong demand and that the sales of the MacBook Pro were up 14% Year/Year if I remember correctly from the earnings call. I'm not comparing them to the sales of previous models and Apple doesn't do that either. But if what they are saying is correct (and I'm pretty sure it is), then people aren't as turned off about USB-C as those in this forum would have people believe.

I will note that he did say "New MacBook Pro" in the earnings call, as opposed to "MacBook Pro" which could be seen to include the old 2015 model remaining stock.

. <-- grain of salt, take it as you wish.

 

[aevan]

What I'm saying is that if Apple included the right ports you could charge your iPhone

You can charge your iPhone (fact), they included the right ports.

 

[Mildredop]

You can charge your iPhone (fact), they included the right ports. You are either uninformed or trolling.

Did they? The new MacBooks and MacBook Pros don't have USB A. The cable that comes with the iPhone is USB A to Lightning.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[aevan]

Did they? The new MacBooks and MacBook Pros don't have USB A. The cable that comes with the iPhone is USB A to Lightning.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

So?

Are you telling me that you cannot charge an iPhone with the new MBP? Because I'm charging one right now with a new MBP. Do you want a photo?

Yeah, the iPhone came wtih USB-A to Lightning cable. And yet, somehow, magically, I am charging it this very moment with my MBP 2016. I must be an electronic genius or a wizard or something.
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I will note that he did say "New MacBook Pro" in the earnings call, as opposed to "MacBook Pro" which could be seen to include the old 2015 model remaining stock.

. <-- grain of salt, take it as you wish.

With a 4% growth in sales but 14% growth in revenue, we can safely assume it's not about the 2015 models, but the MBPs that have increased in price - meaning 2016 MacBook Pros. They are selling well.

 

[Merode]

Most companies/professionals are on Windows 10, because they rely on security patches, Microsoft support, etc. Their IT guys do the updating and after 2 years, yeah, they had time to do it. But companies/professionals are a small percentage of computer users. Vast majority of users are home users who had two years to update to a newer, more secure, more stable system. But they had to do it themselves, and wait for an hour for the thing to complete, and then get the new drivers, and it's a hassle - you know?

So, no, the reason why people are on Windows 7 is because they hate new stuff on computers, not because they are professionals.

People still using Windows 7 are using it because they don't care about updating or just won't bother with the 'hassle'. And it that's 50% of users. People just don't care, and they don't like new tech, and they don't really like computers but have to use them.

I read somewhere that a significan percentage of Mac users still didn't get used to the right click on the mouse. The reason: "it's confusing - they are used to the old way of using one-button mice". 3D Touch? Force Touch? Good luck with that.

But at the same time, people expect computers to do more, faster and better. So, people will whine that they have to get new cables to charge the iPhone on that Mac, but AT THE SAME TIME, they will be angry that the charger they have in the hotel room is not usable on their phone. And that they cannot carry just one charger with them, but need 3. And they will complain how they have a bunch of cables sticking out their computers.

"Apple - where's the innovation!? It's 2017 and I still have a bunch of different cables sticking out of my Mac. If Steve was here, he'd do something! Can't I have just one cable? Invent something!"

"Apple - it's 2017 and I have to carry THREE chargers on my trip!? Invent something!"

But when Apple comes with the solution, everyone is "but, but, it's too soon! And I have all these old cables.... and can't we have both? (even though we all know that will just prolong the transitional period that is, actually, worst of all)"

Just get the new cables, man.

You make some horrible points. Hear me out.

Windows 10 is great, about 70% of the time. Unfortunately new builds, aka Service Packs or just those larger updates tend to break stuff. I'm a software engineer and I rely on running IDE as several users without need to relog. Windows supports that and it saves a lot of time. Unfortunately one of Windows updates broke it for about 6 months. I was fortunate I could roll back to older build after wasting whole day trying to fix the issue.

The newest update had compatibility issues with nVidia drivers which caussed screen to go black on each login, relog, log out, change of resolution and so on. The solution - turn off and on the screen. I had to roll back yet again.

You see, this is because of Windows 10's nature. It's a rolling release and each new build is doomed to have issues. Any guy who browses Facebook or even 'creates websites' with WordPress will not mind. I do mind because each time I have to find solution, rollback or go around these issues is wasted time.

Windows 7 was stable because it was only getting SECURITY updates. No major changes in the OS. PROFESSIONALS, aka people who make money (in this case, with computers), value STABILITY because it equals TIME and therefore MONEY.

Same applies for macOS but it isn't so severe. Each new major release of OS X breaks something. Sierra broke my speaker setup which is plugged with audio jack. I had to unplug it and replug it on each WAKE. In 10.12.4 they fixed it somewhat and now I only have to replug it on each RESTART.

Since 10.9 Spotify was able to make your Mac unable to wake properly if it had autostart enabled. It's their problem I guess, but why does macOS allow app to be so disruptive? It's one thing I have to give to Windows - no such thing would ever happen there.

Cutting to the chase. People get stuff and do stuff that is beneficial to them. Some people like to experiment and they will be punished for it from time to time. What Apple did with USB was not unlike them. They could have given one USB-A port but they never go for half-measures.

Removing card reader was stupid. I know some entitled 'true professional' photographers will disagree. I can only tell you that the term 'professional' applies to anyone making money in a business and we already had some people here fighing for SD cards. They are broadly used in consumer and prosumer market and some pros use them. I use them in my D60. That's reason enough for me to keep the reader. The slit is thin enough for Jony Ive to work with. If you like getting less value for the same or higher price, keep doing what you're doing - Apple has people reading forums and media.

 

[Mildredop]

So?

Are you telling me that you cannot charge an iPhone with the new MBP? Because I'm charging one right now with a new MBP. Do you want a photo?

Yeah, the iPhone came wtih USB-A to Lightning cable. And yet, somehow, magically, I am charging it this very moment with my MBP 2016. I must be an electronic genius or a wizard or something.

What a very aggressive reply to a perfectly reasonable question.

I don't need a photo, but I would still appreciate an explanation. The MacBook Pro has USB-C. The iPhone comes with a USB-A cable. So, without buying an adaptor or alternative cable, the iPhone cannot be charged with the MacBook Pro out of the box. Is that correct?

You can charge your iPhone (fact), they included the right ports. You are either uninformed or trolling.

If I'm correct, then you are wrong.

 

[SDColorado]

What a very aggressive reply to a perfectly reasonable question.

I don't need a photo, but I would still appreciate an explanation. The MacBook Pro has USB-C. The iPhone comes with a USB-A cable. So, without buying an adaptor or alternative cable, the iPhone cannot be charged with the MacBook Pro out of the box. Is that correct?


If I'm correct, then you are wrong.

The iPhone 8 will likely come with a USB-C to lightning cable and a USB-C wall charger and people will be complaining about that because they can't plug X/with USB-A into that wall charger, without an adapter.

 

[aevan]

What a very aggressive reply to a perfectly reasonable question.

I don't need a photo, but I would still appreciate an explanation. The MacBook Pro has USB-C. The iPhone comes with a USB-A cable. So, without buying an adaptor or alternative cable, the iPhone cannot be charged with the MacBook Pro out of the box. Is that correct?

Yes, it's correct. You cannot charge the iPhone "out of the box" - you need a new cable or adapter which solves the problem entirely. The previous poster said something along the lines "You cannot charge the iPhone with the new MBP" - which I explained was false.

My whole argument - and I mentioned it several times in this thread - is that buying a new cable or adapter is not a big deal, if it means sooner USB-C adoption. I still stand by that - it's not a big deal. Just buy a new cable.

Sorry if the answer seemed aggressive - it's just becoming hard to argue over something as trivial as this. Nothing against you - but it's really annoying, not because I care about Apple so much, but because it makes me wonder what kinds of advancements are we forgoing because people don't like change.

I can almost understand people who need better GPUs or more RAM - but dismissing such great tech as USB-C just because you are not willing to buy a $15 cable or $5 adapter - that makes first world problems seem like the black plague.

If I'm correct, then you are wrong.

Depends on how do you define the "right ports". For me, there is nothing wrong with USB-C, quite the oposite. Meaning: they are the right ports, as in Apple made the right decision.

 

[Ma2k5]

Or people could stop being cheap and buy a 15.00 USB-C to Lightning cable, right?

Because that's what this all comes down to. Money. People are willing to shell out 2000.00 for a laptop but then balk at a 15.00 cable.

It's simple really. If "people", (not you in particular) want the new MacBook Pro there is the cost of upgrading to USB-C. Sure, it's a pain, but it's a one time pain. If "people" can't handle that then don't buy. Clearly it's not a problem for most, because they are selling very, very well.

The fact someone paid £2000 for a laptop already shows they aren't cheap, they are complaining because why when someone spends so much money on a laptop, do they still have to spend another £15-£20 to do basic "expected" functions? Are you that stupid to understand this basic concept? Stop calling people cheap for a valid criticism.

Why did Apple include a 3.5mm adapter for the iPhone but no adapter for the new MacBooks? Simple, because they didn't want to piss off all those millions of iPhone users, but MacBook guys, clearly aren't important to give the same consideration for.

 

[aevan]

The fact someone paid £2000 for a laptop already shows they aren't cheap, they are complaining because why when someone spends so much money on a laptop, do they have to spend another £15-£20 to do basic "expected" functions? Are you that stupid to understand that basic concept.
Why did Apple include a 3.5mm adapter for the iPhone but no adapter for the new MacBooks? Simple, because they didn't want to piss off all those millions of iPhone users, but MacBook guys, clearly aren't important to give the same consideration for.

Depends on what you consider expected. I partialy agree - they could've included the adapter, however, it's not quite as simple like with the headphones. What adapter? USB-C to USB-A? But what about HDMI, why not that too? And what about Mini DisplayPort? What about Thunderbolt 2?

I'm not justifying it, but I can totally imagine people who are not that into tech getting the new MBP and seeing that adapter and thinking - ok, so now I have 4 USB ports and that's it. It kinda sends the wrong message. Again, I wouldn't mind them including the adapter, but I kinda think they just wanted to leave it to the buyer. You need USB-A? TB 2? Mini DP? HDMI? LAN? Here, we offer all kinds of adapters, choose one.

I guess Apple didn't think it would be such a deal. If they knew there would be such a backlash, they would've probably included some adapters in the box.

 

[Ma2k5]

Depends on what you consider expected. I partialy agree - they could've included the adapter, however, it's not quite as simple like with the headphones. What adapter? USB-C to USB-A? But what about HDMI, why not that too? And what about Mini DisplayPort? What about Thunderbolt 2?

I'm not justifying it, but I can totally imagine people who are not that into tech getting the new MBP and seeing that adapter and thinking - ok, so now I have 4 USB ports and that's it. It kinda sends the wrong message. Again, I wouldn't mind them including the adapter, but I kinda think they just wanted to leave it to the buyer. You need USB-A? TB 2? Mini DP? HDMI? LAN? Here, we offer all kinds of adapters, choose one.

I guess Apple didn't think it would be such a deal. If they knew there would be such a backlash, they would've probably included some adapters in the box.

Completely disagree with that, I have a very different opinion on what Apple expected.

As for what they could have included? For the price the machines go, they would have done themselves a huge favour if they included a multi-functional dock. It still wouldn't be the perfect solution (carrying around docks/dongles isn't fun), but at least you wouldn't have to shell out for more to connect existing peripherals. I know Asus do it for one of their premium model's (include a nice multi-functional dock), so would have welcomed it.

 

[aevan]

Completely disagree with that, I have a very different opinion on what Apple expected.

As for what they could have included? For the price the machines go, they would have done themselves a huge favour if they included a multi-functional dock. It still wouldn't be the perfect solution (carrying around docks/dongles isn't fun), but at least you wouldn't have to shell out for more to connect existing peripherals. I know Asus do it for one of their premium model's (include a nice multi-functional dock), so would have welcomed it.

Well, ok. Nothing against that, more is always better. Still, the Asus comparison is bad - Asus doesn't sell nearly as much laptops, let alone premium ones, as Apple. And is their hub thunderbolt capble (which Apple would want)? Including an Apple-quality TB-capable hub in every MBP, at that scale - that would seriously cut into their profits (for ports that a lot of users wouldn't even use).

I don't see how they could've included such a hub and still get enough revenue to please investors - but hey, I wouldn't mind, for sure.

Still, not a big deal.

 

[JMacHack]

For the price the machines go, they would have done themselves a huge favour if they included a multi-functional dock.

Considering they still plan to include a lightning-to-3.5 jack adapter with the iPhone I still don't see why they didn't do this. It would've quelled a lot of the criticism of the new MBP.

I don't think there would have been room for RAM and SSD sockets either, so they have to solder them down.

LPDDR RAM doesn't have connectors like DDR RAM does. On any laptop with LPDDR ram, it's soldered to the motherboard.

And considering that the processor that the current MBP uses can't address more than 16gb of LPDDR3 RAM in the first place, to me it's a moot point to complain. Besides, they've been soldering the ram since, what, 2011? Why choose now to complain about it?

 

[CaptRB]

This nonsense about having to buy adapters or a new cable is truly sad.

My new MacBooks have USB-C ports that are the most flexible, fastest and easiest to use EVER. They do EVERYTHING for a TINY expense.

Apple did not, nor did I expect them to add every adapter. It's perfectly and uniquely silly to be still having this discussion. While I do own a iPhone, it had ZERO effect on me to add a 4.99 adapter to a cable.


R.

 

[Mildredop]

Yes, it's correct. You cannot charge the iPhone "out of the box" - you need a new cable or adapter

I stopped reading at this point. Enough said. After your aggressive reply, it seems I was correct all along.

You can charge your iPhone (fact), they included the right ports.

Using your definition, almost any power outlet in the world is the "right port" for charging the iPhone - assuming you don't mind using various adaptors and cables.

 

[csurfr]

The fact someone paid £2000 for a laptop already shows they aren't cheap, they are complaining because why when someone spends so much money on a laptop, do they still have to spend another £15-£20 to do basic "expected" functions? Are you that stupid to understand this basic concept? Stop calling people cheap for a valid criticism.

Why did Apple include a 3.5mm adapter for the iPhone but no adapter for the new MacBooks? Simple, because they didn't want to piss off all those millions of iPhone users, but MacBook guys, clearly aren't important to give the same consideration for.

Clearly you're smarter than I am because I bought the USB-A adapter for 9.00 and the USB-C to lightning cable for another 16.00 when they were on sale. And haven't once complained about it. I knew what I was gettting into. So should everyone else.

As far as "expected function"; What a joke. If you didn't know that you were going to need an adapter you have no business buying a MacBook Pro. USB-C / TB3 are the future.

If you don't like it, Microsoft will be happy to sell you a surface laptop with 4gb of ram and 128gb of storage with 1 USB-A port for 999. Or, you can still pick up a 2015 MacBook Pro from Apple for the time being. You have options. Bitching about one over and over and over isn't going to change it. Apple isn't going to bring back USB-A on the new MacBook Pro to appease a very small subset of users on this forum.

 

[Ma2k5]

Clearly you're smarter than I am because I bought the USB-A adapter for 9.00 and the USB-C to lightning cable for another 16.00 when they were on sale. And haven't once complained about it. I knew what I was gettting into. So should everyone else.

As far as "expected function"; What a joke. If you didn't know that you were going to need an adapter you have no business buying a MacBook Pro. USB-C / TB3 are the future.

If you don't like it, Microsoft will be happy to sell you a surface laptop with 4gb of ram and 128gb of storage with 1 USB-A port for 999. Or, you can still pick up a 2015 MacBook Pro from Apple for the time being. You have options. Bitching about one over and over and over isn't going to change it. Apple isn't going to bring back USB-A on the new MacBook Pro to appease a very small subset of users on this forum.

Mindless drivel (especially the bolded parts), all missing the point, not even worth pointing out all the flaws in your argument. USB-C is the future yet they still included a 3.5mm headphone adapter for their iPhones, go figure. But you keep splashing the cash on your dongles/extra cables.

 

[aevan]

Using your definition, almost any power outlet in the world is the "right port" for charging the iPhone - assuming you don't mind using various adaptors and cables.

You can only charge the iPhone by attaching it to an USB port. USB-A or USB-C are supported. So I don't know what other options are there. These two ports are "right ports" to charge the iPhone. No adapter in the world will help you with anything that is not USB.

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201569

For USB-A ports you need an USB-A Lightning cable or an USB-C Lightning cable with an adapter.
For USB-C ports you need an USB-C Lightning cable or an USB-A Lightning cable with an adapter.

There's no other option.

With that in mind, please explain to me how an USB-C port is not the right port to charge an iPhone?