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My point is, it did work.

And thanks for joining....June 2010.

Seriously, this is an absolutely idiotic thing to say. So what if he joined in June 2010? Maybe he's been reading this forum for years, but never really felt the need to join the conversation until he got a bum iPhone. Do you have a problem with that? Does that make his POV any less worth expressing?

If the guy missed the point of your earlier post, then correct him and end it there. Pointing out when he joined is just about as imbecilic as you can possibly get. Low marks for your abysmally insular attitude, Tonewheel.
 
Some of us have a lot of money tied up in iPhone apps and so trying the competition at this point isn't really a viable option.

Obviously if Apple really messes things up with the iPhone many of us will have no choice but to try Android, BlackBerry, or Windows Phone no matter how much we have invested in iPhone apps.

thats an issue I hadnt considered before, but just another thing to consider when making your next purchase.

One thing positive about the Android option is that you could buy a multiple choice of phones, yet as they share the same OS, you can use your apps on them too.
 
I feel like a sucker everytime I stare at this 23" cinema display. :( Stupid power brick. Just bought a new one less than a year ago and it is already acting up. It is now "un-supported" in their book. Thank god I bought it used.

The more I think about it, I am beginning to have a bad taste in my mouth when I think of apple. Ah, what the heck. All I have to do is go use a windows machine or simply think of using one and I will be cured for the time being.

Give it another 3-4 months. You'll get there.

:apple:
 
Thank you for joining June 2010.

Well, I know it wasn't directed at me but I had the same proximity sensor issue and returned the phone. So i suspect the poster you quoted is closer to the truth. And as you can see, I joined last year some time.
 
I've read an online review recently which stated that some of the proximity issues MAY be due to choosing a "restore" of an older iphone when their iphone 4 was first connected to itunes instead of treating it as a new phone - and setting it up as an additional device in itunes. It would be interesting to know if those having issues with the Proximity sensor - restored a backup of an older model iphone to their new iphone 4.

I am not having issues with Proximity. I had been forewarned by a co-worker to not choose to restore - as she had done with the 3G to 3GS which had negative side effects. As a side note: I'm finding reception is fine in most situations where I use the iPhone 4, and I'm not dropping calls even when signal strength is low.
 
Are you trying to be funny? This is serious. A lot of people have paid £600 for this phone that supposedly "changes everything."

He's trying to be sarcastic. Jobs' insensitive quotes will haunt him. He'll probably have one scratched or spray-canned on his grave.

There is no proximity sensor issue. Stay tuned.

As above.

You act like you took that quote at face value. You're not serious are you? I guess you think drinking the right beer will get you hot girls on the beach, too?

Whoever pays for the iPhone in sterling knows that there is no such thing as 'hot girls on the beach'.

That's how this product was marketed and I'm not alone in thinking that Apple's response to these issues has been a bit too casual considering the price of the phone. By the way I don't have to pick up girls in that way and I don't drink beer.

Good answer. And kudos for you for realising that the 'take-home' price of a phone with a two-year commitment is not the real cost.
 
Thank you for joining June 2010.

When does join date have any relevance? We're here to discuss issues. If somebody wants to bash Apple just for the sake of trolling, they would be on slashdot. I have these issues on multiple iPhones and I've been a member since 2001, tyvm. Join date means more "the date I first had something to say" and not their first time coming here
 
Problem for me since launch day ...

I tried all the suggestions mentioned in the MacWorld article. Apple support had me try a restore without syncing my old info to rule out a software issue, but it still kept happening. So now they are giving me a new phone tomorrow. Maybe they believe it is a hardware issue with some phones. I hope the problem goes away with the new phone ...
 
When does join date have any relevance? We're here to discuss issues. If somebody wants to bash Apple just for the sake of trolling, they would be on slashdot. I have these issues on multiple iPhones and I've been a member since 2001, tyvm. Join date means more "the date I first had something to say" and not their first time coming here

Thank you! Yes, the people who are pointing out join dates are utter morons. Complete and utter morons.
 
probably 1% or less? out of millions of phone that adds up

these kinda replacement may be going on for other iPhones also, but this issue looks like wide spread in iPhone 4

Apple always nice, they check it and said we will replace it, for that i appreciate them :D

Thats why I pay the extra money for Apple Products! :D NOw any other smartphone manufacturer will just say tough luck and NOT EVEN issue a software update. Take PALM for example I had several versions of the 6xx series of their phones and guess what........it would lock up and freeze periodically even when sitting idle every once in awhile and a phone call worth $$$ would come in and I would miss it because no matter which model or OS version I used they WOULD NOT fix the dang freezing issue. Everyone that I talk to that owned one hates them for that reason. And oh btw the I had the signal bar gripping issue with it tooooooo. It's no wonder PALM is pretty much bankrupt or on the edge of financial trouble, they pissed off the business community, and so Blackberries stole the show. When I pay $$$ and if you want me to pay more $$$ for a product or service I better get 3 things, good customer service, quality product, and good no hassle warranty.
 
Apple is about to impload if it doesn't get its act together. Bill Gates must be loving this. For the first time ever my faith in Apple products is tested.

BILL Gates is busy relaxing on a nice beach as he runs the Bill Gates Foundation. Sorry , Mr. Gates has had nothing to do with Microsoft for the last couple years. :D Just a FYI that he retired a couple years ago.
 
I have had major issues with this. I have to use a Bluetooth if I don't want this happening.

Well I'd say if your driving you SHOULD BE using a bluetooth headset, if not, oh well at least your hands are free to do something else. :D


P.S. Sorry couldn't resist responding to this.......
 
Having the issue as well.

Reminds me of Toyota/Lexus last year. They used to build some of the most reliable cars, then they got arrogant and would not listen to customers. Everything was a non issue - or is was "by design" until it wasn't and had to recall tens of thousands of vehicles.

Dude, ALL vehicles manufacturers have had similar issues as to Toyota, they are just more silent about fixing it. FYI Dodge has issued a RECALL on all 2007 Dodge Calibres for example to check and fix a brake bracket in the vehicle. Also FYI in Newer Dodge Vehicles when you hit the break it cuts off the engine from the drivetrain, so its also not as serious issue for some manufacturers.
 
What I'm getting tired of is people trying to downplay these issues. Your 2% figure has no standing whatsoever. It could be 2%, it could be 52% or 82%. What we know is that contrary to Apple Inc's inconsistent actions about these defects, large number of customers reported and documented problems. After failing to be honest and considerate, whatever Apple Inc will accept will not matter for a lot of customers and potential buyers. Many lost trust in Apple.

You stand for a point that even Apple doesn't seem to believe. For Apple, it's about not losing face and saving money from expensive litigation and recalls. What's your excuse?

I know what you mean, 2% of 2,000,000 + phones is 40,000, they make it sound like 5 out of a 100,000 are having this issue.
 
I received my iPhone 4 last Thursday. In addition to the antenna issue, I have the proximity issue. After visiting the Apple Store in University Village, Seattle, the Genius representative confirmed it's a known issue that "corporate" was working on with a software fix. She offered to return it on the spot if I wanted, as she said all retail stores have been authorize to accept iPhone returns (ordered online, through AT&T, or other) at this point.

It's frustrating Apple thinks a promised software update is enough to assuage customers. They go-to-market with a luxury device, with insanely lofty marketing claims, and the reality is the device hasn't been tested. They are growing too fast.

I'm returning mine and going back to my slow and steady 3G.

What other Smartphone manufacturer would even acknowledge the issue or even supply a patch for the problem, let alone offer a refund? I know PALM won't for sure at least they didn't for their Palm Treo series......., can you name any that would provide this level of customer service?
 
*stands up and gives a round of applause*

Seriously this is the best comment i have read about in discussions about the iPhone issues. Couldn't have put it better myself.

When you recommend that iPhone users try something else its often met with a defensive comment.... but really why not give it a proper try and see what the alternatives are (and im not just taking about a quick 2min test run in a shop, find out a little bit about what other phones can actually do for you).

This isn't a 'vs' war, its the fact that you guys spend your hard earned cash on a product that seems to have a string of problems, when there are alternatives out there (often cheaper) that will do the job just as well.

I did and PALM burned me with their Palm Treo series.......
 
Original Apple Fan!!

Thank you for joining June 2010.

Yes, studies have shown that those who have wasted countless years of their lives talking about gadgets on a forum have a better developed sense of opinion then those who simply expect gadgets to work and don't obsess over them. I think it was published in Nature.



Sent from my MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM and unibody and a 1TB hard drive and I also have an iPhone and an ipod and the earphones that came with the iPod.
 
Well my new iPhone that the apple store replaced my original iPHone 4 with has the same problem with the proximity sensor. Actually this phone is A LOT worse. This time I'm hanging up on people left & right and dialing other peoples numbers in my contact list. Where as my original phone would dial Face Time and my face would randomly hit the number pad.

This is irritating!
 
I guess with a feature called "facetime", I shouldn't be surprised, I just didn't know they meant you can operate your phone via the face. Oh well, it's just annoying, cause I couldn't figure out how to get it back to regular phone mode.
 
Proximity Sensor Problem appears on G#s following iOS4 update

I had not been having proximity problems with my 3GS until updating to the new iOS 4, suggesting that it is likely more related to a software problem rather than endemic to the iphone 4.




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While Apple's iPhone 4 signal loss issues have been receiving significant attention since the device's launch late last month, a number of other problems have been seeing sporadic reports, and one of the most prevalent of late has been problems with the device's proximity sensors designed to sense when the phone is held up to the user's face and deactivate the device's screen, thus preventing unintended activation of buttons on the display.

Noted early on, the topic has received considerable attention on Apple's support discussions and in our own forums (1, 2, 3), with users reporting either that the proximity sensors fail to turn off the display during calls, resulting in unintended hangups and other actions, or that the sensors failed to turn the display back on after a call, resulting in a black screen.

Macworld has summarized the effort of those seeking to address the issue, with some users reporting success with resetting some of their iPhone's settings.While many users have reported being unable to replicate the issue, suggesting that it may not be a universal fault, a significant number of users are experiencing proximity sensor-related problems. Apple has yet to comment on the issue, and it is unclear whether it is a hardware or software problem, although the majority of observers are leaning toward the software explanation. If so, users can hold out hope that a simple software update, such as that planned for the signal strength issue in the next few weeks, may be able to fix the issue.

Article Link: Users Continue to Experience Problems With iPhone 4 Proximity Sensors
 
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