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Valve Officially Announces Steam and Game Library Coming to Mac in April
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I don't know why you foilks are getting so excited about thisComputer gaming is dying. People are abandoning PCs in favor of consoles en masse! All Steam is trying to do by getting into the Mac market is buy time.
Can't... tell... if... joking... NYAH.
But no Steam is more popular than Xbox Live. There was a 200% increase in subscribers in 2009 from 2008. PC gaming has had naysayers since the 80's but it's getting bigger and better every year.
Just go into a shop and come out with a Razer! I used to use Microsoft, then Logitech mice. I switched to Razer and haven't looked back. Even for work they're just brilliantly comfortable and have some nifty tech inside. At the moment I'm using a Deathadder 3G.
I'd also like to add... Xbox 360 and PS3 owners who play Team Fortress 2 are gonna feel pretty Butthurt that Mac users will have first day access to the pending Engineer update and subsequently all previous class updates.
Heh, I keep forgetting about the engineer update! A friend of mine recently bought the PC version (during the Steam sale when it was £2, you Mac gamers have Steam sales to look forward to oh my) and was overwhelmed with how many weapons, achievements (350 at last count) there were. It's grown into such a massive game that I really feel sorry for any console only gamers
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Are you delusional?
At the same month I bought these two machines:
A PC: PhenomII X4 955 (4x3,2GHz), Radeon HD4850 1024 MB, 4GB DDR3 RAM, 500GB HDD, perfectly silent case, 750
A Mac: MBP with Core 2 Duo @ 2,66GHz, GeForce 9600M GT with 256 MB, 4GB DDR3, 320 GB HDD, 1850.
Now god knows I love my mac, but if I wanna game, I will use that PC, it just has A LOT more power for a WAY lower price (Just look at that GFX card and CPU!). You can't expect I'll use that Mac when my PC will run the game much smoother at full quality.
I'm not saying the MBP is too overpriced, but the hardware just isn't meant for gaming, it's meant for efficiency and portability. The same is true for iMacs, and the Mac Pro is positioned as a power workstation.
A Mac that doesn't suck for gaming just doesn't exist. And that's Apple's fault.
inferior PCs? This may be true for home- and even business-stuff, but for gaming, the mac is a total joke.
hahahahahahahaha ROFLAO
Oh dear, you guy's REALLY should read some games news sites instead of Mac only ones. You would understand how much of an idiot he is then:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156403
Gabe Stated:
"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"
And then someone else does a lurvely U turn on what idiot Gabe stated:
http://www.destructoid.com/valve-sure-it-ll-develop-for-ps3-in-the-future-164300.phtml
Or this on the Mac:
"I just don't think they've ever taken gaming seriously. And none of the things developers ask them to do are done," Newell said. "As a result, there's no gaming market there to speak of. We'd love it if they would get serious about it. But they never have, and can't even follow trough on any of their commitments for game developers."
source: http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/10/03/valve.apple.isnt.serious/
Or: https://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/01/valve-softwares-co-founder-explains-why-no-mac-os-x-support/
All you need to do is google and read stuff on Gabe to know the guy has serious foot in mouth disease, yes his games are amazing, but he deserves none of my respect when he slates the PS3 so vocally and so much only for another company member to make statements that seem to clear up his mess.
Perhaps you lot should google a bit more other then 'Wikepedia" before your state someone as being wrong
You may also realize the history behind Gabe and his infamous mouth.
Is it not just that Apple has changed and is now doing what it says in support of game devs (10.6.3)?
That's totally subjective, and largely nonsense in the opinion of most gamers. You don't need that high end a machine to have great gaming capabilities. Decent iMacs even from 2008 run all of the Source-based games incredibly well, and obliterate PS3 and 360 performance in multi-format titles. (RE5, SH:H, Prototype, Far Cry 2, everything) and the consoles aren't exactly awful.
The Mac is only a joke for gaming in terms of the catalogue of games, not the hardware.
Can't wait to see some of the Mac guys fighting for the platform in game, haha.
Reminds me of someone else's infamous mouth.. Steve Jobs'Perhaps you lot should google a bit more other then 'Wikepedia" before your state someone as being wrong
You may also realize the history behind Gabe and his infamous mouth.
I think its pretty common for these super-driven people to be pretty pointed and opinionated. It helps them get things done. It's perfectly fine for them to change their minds about something though..
Really annoys me in politics too when someone reacts to new information and gets called a "flip flopper" for it. Wow! Really? Responding to the current situation rather than sticking to whatever you said in the past, even if things are dramatically different now? A lot has obviously changed at Apple. I'd rather people were honest and opinionated than keep totally quiet on everything to avoid ever getting quoted.
We need more Gabes and Steves.
I disagree with a lot of what both of them say but i respect that they say it. (Even Gabe's PS3 rants.)
To the guy who said computer gaming is dying and everyones going to consoles. You couldnt be more wrong...
Its actually the other way round right now.
(I do video games Design at Uni and I have had to do reports research etc into the whole thing)
And iv seen some people in here say things like "Cant wait to play this on my ibook"
This isnt going to run on none intel macs.... its pretty obvious. Whats the point in coding for old hardware and the g4's were coupled with real bad GPU's ... pointless.
So sorry to burst your bubble but logic sence here says that G4's or any other none intel mac will not run steam.
Just what I think and im 99% sure im right.
Its actually the other way round right now.
(I do video games Design at Uni and I have had to do reports research etc into the whole thing)
And iv seen some people in here say things like "Cant wait to play this on my ibook"
This isnt going to run on none intel macs.... its pretty obvious. Whats the point in coding for old hardware and the g4's were coupled with real bad GPU's ... pointless.
So sorry to burst your bubble but logic sence here says that G4's or any other none intel mac will not run steam.
Just what I think and im 99% sure im right.
You could go even further and say only the Intel Macs without Intel GMA graphics will be able to play the source games.
Technically some of them run on the newer GMA kind of okay in Windows.. But I would think it makes more sense to not support GMA at all..
Whats the point in them putting in the options to scale things back to cut-down DX7-like modes if they're starting afresh on a platform. I think you're right, they'll pass on the GMAs, partly because of apple's weird GMA drivers.
Yeah, someone posted in one of the threads that Apple doesn't allow full use of system ram in the GMAs. So they are slower in OS X than they are in Windows. So it would just make more sense to not support them at all on the Mac.
The Cell is well documented enough in the SDK for the Mesa group to make OpenGL drivers for it.
The memory limit is an odd one, its XDR so its super fast and the GPU gets its dedicated space for textures etc. But developers who arent used to memory management might have issues.
Open source gfx is pretty interesting atm, and teams like nouveux are doing some amazing work with zero documentation. It's not sony's documentation that's leading to accelerated gfx on the ps3 anyway, right? If sony hadn't locked down most of the hardware (and completely removing linux support), we wouldn't be relying on a spu for rubbish gfx acceleration anyway. There's all sorts of other limitations to the platform, ignoring the recent lockdown, new devices etc, sony (like with the xdr ram you mentioned) seem to have designed a machine more for spec sheet comparisons (remember the way ram was listed? linux support? backwards compatibility? etc) than actually playing games.
And back to talking about the ps3 running its own software - yeah, memory constraints are a serious issue. There's half the ram compared to the 360 with the architecture they've chosen, let alone the fact that the ps3 menu system is 'standard sony' when it comes to programming (remember those dev articles about their os with nothing running using like 10x what the 360 was, fully logged on live etc).
Like the other poster, most of what I've read (I'm certainly not a console dev) shows unhappy developers with delays etc. Are the full time devs 'in love' with the platform for job security reasons? I don't really know, information on consoles seems so incredibly biased and inaccurate half the time.
HOT - just in news!
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/09/dice-investigating-bad-company-2-on-mac/
Go Dice Go!
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/09/dice-investigating-bad-company-2-on-mac/
Go Dice Go!
I agree with you. I have a MBP 15" with the 9600M-GT card and I can factually say that the graphics while playing call of duty 4 are so much better and crisper than that of my Xbox-360 playing the same game in 1080p! Someone who makes a statement that all macs suck at gaming clearly has never tried them! I am WAY more than happy with the performance of my MBP, it's 11 months old and it runs like the first day I got it I couldn't say the same thing for all my other "REGULAR" PC's!
Dear lord, you dont half read between the lines of what is actually being said! Are you a tabloid journalist?
When I read the linked threads, I see nothing in the 1up post where Gabe says that he would not ever develop on the PS3 (just that he thinks the PS3 is rubbish), and because of this TBH theres nothing in the destructiod post that indicates a U-turn on this! Both posts indicate the same thing, that Valve dont enjoy the development experience on the PS3 in order to support developing on it
Again, not what I understand from the linked posts. I summarise that Valve were keen to support gaming on macs but apple had to change a few things first in order to (in their opinion) support gaming on a Mac. Apple didnt make the changes at the time so Valve didnt support games on the mac.
I imagine whats happened now is that Apple have wised up to the gaming market after the Ipod touch/iphone has done so well as a gaming device, and have actually made the changes that Valve suggested (and probably provided a big wad of cash ) so now Value supports the mac
I would suggest perhaps you should reign in your confrontational posts, I assume that you are a PS3 owner who is enraged that valve so openly critisised your console, hence your dangerously fanboy-esque tone
hahahahahahahaha ROFLAO
Oh dear, you guy's REALLY should read some games news sites instead of Mac only ones. You would understand how much of an idiot he is then:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156403
Gabe Stated:
"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"
And then someone else does a lurvely U turn on what idiot Gabe stated:
http://www.destructoid.com/valve-sure-it-ll-develop-for-ps3-in-the-future-164300.phtml
When I read the linked threads, I see nothing in the 1up post where Gabe says that he would not ever develop on the PS3 (just that he thinks the PS3 is rubbish), and because of this TBH theres nothing in the destructiod post that indicates a U-turn on this! Both posts indicate the same thing, that Valve dont enjoy the development experience on the PS3 in order to support developing on it
Again, not what I understand from the linked posts. I summarise that Valve were keen to support gaming on macs but apple had to change a few things first in order to (in their opinion) support gaming on a Mac. Apple didnt make the changes at the time so Valve didnt support games on the mac.
I imagine whats happened now is that Apple have wised up to the gaming market after the Ipod touch/iphone has done so well as a gaming device, and have actually made the changes that Valve suggested (and probably provided a big wad of cash
) so now Value supports the macAll you need to do is google and read stuff on Gabe to know the guy has serious foot in mouth disease, yes his games are amazing, but he deserves none of my respect when he slates the PS3 so vocally and so much only for another company member to make statements that seem to clear up his mess.
Perhaps you lot should google a bit more other then 'Wikepedia" before your state someone as being wrong
You may also realize the history behind Gabe and his infamous mouth.
I would suggest perhaps you should reign in your confrontational posts, I assume that you are a PS3 owner who is enraged that valve so openly critisised your console, hence your dangerously fanboy-esque tone
Read that this morning, looks like the tide could finally be turning.
As ever though the ball is in Apple's court now to provide better GPUs.
OT: This is probably one of the best video underlays to that song...
Eric Schwartz is pretty awesome. I actually wonder if Apple were to die, if in 20 years there will be people like him still limping along on old Macs, hopelessly attached to their favorite platform long after it has become irrelevant.
In a way, I both admire and question the sanity of his devotion. Amigas were nice in their day but when you can now emulate one many times faster than the fastest real Amiga hardware ever ran, what's the point sticking with the platform?
Check out Eric's other animations too. The Amy Squirrel and Clarisse Cat animations are adorable.
-Z
The AmigaOne and other newer PPC Amigas aren't that bad.. Depends on your definition of "real" Amigas.. There is a constant trickle of new hardware. The OS is still in active development under Hyperion. (4.1 released recently) http://amigaworld.net and oher community sites are busy. I agree they're a bit of a "pointless" hobby machine now, but they still have a very active, often devoted userbase.. I was in the same boat a lot longer than most before bailing out for Photoshop etc.
I love Eric Schwartz' stuff.Things like this Valve announcement will make the smaller platforms seem even more obscure and unsupported, though. I think a lot of the Amiga guys are also Mac owners maintaining Amigas as little (expensive) projects.
I'll completely delete any Windows partition if the next Elder Scrolls game is released as a native port on OSX.
Finally. Better late than never, and since they're late they've made it all up via Steam play!
Steam play = people at Valve actually put themselves in the shoes of consumers! They probably and actually thought to themselves, "if I'm a consumer who bought from Valve, it would totally suck if I had to buy another copy just because I want to switch to Mac". Then their executives probably realize, "gee, if I make my customer happy I can still make money for the company and myself while growing our fanbase and longevity... wow we can actually do business without killing kittens and puppies!"
To other developers and publishers (and any other businesses): Yes you can actually make a decent profit if you aren't too greedy and invest a little into giving a little to what your customer wants, and make them happy within reason. Not only will you pad your bottom line with cash, you add ensure growth and secure future earnings.
Steam play = people at Valve actually put themselves in the shoes of consumers! They probably and actually thought to themselves, "if I'm a consumer who bought from Valve, it would totally suck if I had to buy another copy just because I want to switch to Mac". Then their executives probably realize, "gee, if I make my customer happy I can still make money for the company and myself while growing our fanbase and longevity... wow we can actually do business without killing kittens and puppies!"
To other developers and publishers (and any other businesses): Yes you can actually make a decent profit if you aren't too greedy and invest a little into giving a little to what your customer wants, and make them happy within reason. Not only will you pad your bottom line with cash, you add ensure growth and secure future earnings.
Only hardcore gamers and those who invest in competitive gaming needs those high-end GPUs.
For casual gaming, I find current line of GPU to be pretty adequate even cheap ones. Nvidia 9400/9600 is quite adequate for this.
The higher-end GPU is available at the apple store, or ebay. It is a tad bit behind the latest and greatest, but still offer those high-end benchmarks.
Why should I? I have been playing games since Half Life 1 was released, I have followed Valve, I followed the stuttering fault that occurred when Half Life 2 was released and the thousands of posts on Valves forum because of it and endless patches Valve made to try and fix it. I have read what Gabe has said to the games media many times and he has a reputation for speaking his mind in pretty harsh words. I have no 'fanboy-esque' tone, I just know the mans history and actually read websites not related to Mac all the time.
If I think he's an idiot then that's my choice, because he is. If you don't know him, know his history or the reputation he has then that's your problem to be honest and I can't see what value you have to reply to me. Like I said, try researching before posting....
I also have to say if you are unable to tell the difference or are trying to state there is no difference between the statements, perhaps to try and give your reply some validity? Then again try reading a bit harder?
"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," said Newell. "I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a 'do over.' Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it.'"
I mean, the PS3 does only have the Orange box on it, and Gabe said it's 'a total disaster' So yeah, I can tell he wants to really develop for it
Oh crap I'm a fanboy....again.....
How about reading these links from the infamous man:
http://www.edge-online.com/blogs/pc-gaming-microsoft-killing-it
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=173540
But hey, if you think I can't say anything without you thinking I'm a 'fanboy' rather then being someone who is capable of making my own mind up on someone based on what they have publicly said over the years then that's your choice. I would rather you had an understanding of the subject which I don't think you do.
Here is what I find more interesting, this is going to partially kill CXG, so I assume now they will drop CSS, HL2, etc.
move their wine porting efforts to games that are not ported.
Hopefully they can work in conjunction with the new native steam client. Making the steam library even more expansive.
move their wine porting efforts to games that are not ported.
Hopefully they can work in conjunction with the new native steam client. Making the steam library even more expansive.