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Verizon Announces Plans to Expand 5G Ultra Wideband to 1,700 Cities in January, Offers Improved 5G Plans

31 Flavas said:
Not being European myself I'd have to think you might have EU wide laws that discourage or prohibit the US practice. I'm likely wrong and could be it's just that your cellular providers are more benevolent then ours. Or proper competition provides for such.

The US is backwards on quite a number of different things. That said, it was actually US T-Mobile that destroyed ATT and VZW regarding cellular service and contracts. As much as US cellular customers want to complain about how 3rd rate T-Mobile was (or still is) it was them that forced both ATT and VZW into bringing back unlimited and the no monetary penalty structure we have now. Forced them to abandon their abusive tiered and capped data structure that punished you with overage fees if you did not spend enough / buy enough data each month.

Actual unlimited, not this faux unlimited, would clearly be better. But, I've got to ask you, as a European, to what extent is it actually necessary? I mean, are Europeans routinely using their cellular hotspot data as home "terrestrial" Wi-fi? Running hundreds of gigs of data from their laptop or desktop computers though their unlimited mobile data plans? i.e. is that actually unlimited tethered mobile data actually being put to use?
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It's UK/EU law advertising law, you can't make false claims. Unlimited has a specific meaning - without end. Hard to say something is without end but then limit the original service.

I know people who use their phones hotspot instead of paying for a landline ISP and it works well. I live and work in both the US and Europe so being able to use my phone as intended without worrying about caps is well worth it, and it's on the best carrier, no deprioritization. I think you are just so used to regulatory capture in the US that it seems normal. Look at Comcast reintroducing data caps on landline cable, absolutely insane lack of competition thanks to corruption and regulatory capture.

I have racked up probably 500GB before without issue. I've never heard of a case of it being capped, only if it is misused.
 
827538 said:
It's UK/EU law advertising law, you can't make false claims. Unlimited has a specific meaning - without end. Hard to say something is without end but then limit the original service.

I have racked up probably 500GB before without issue. I've never heard of a case of it being capped, only if it is misused.
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If it can be capped due to some criteria defined as misuse them, by your definition, it is not unlimited. In some cases, it’s also limited to the country service was started, so it’s not unlimited across the EU.
 
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jlc1978 said:
If it can be capped due to some criteria defined as misuse them, by your definition, it is not unlimited. In some cases, it’s also limited to the country service was started, so it’s not unlimited across the EU.
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Misuse as in running commercial servers off of it. That’s not got anything to do with caps and has nothing to do with its unlimited or not.

I never claimed it was unlimited in the EU, it is unlimited in the country I purchased the SIM in which is entirely reasonable.
 
827538 said:
Misuse as in running commercial servers off of it. That’s not got anything to do with caps and has nothing to do with its unlimited or not.
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So it’s ok to limit the data in some cases and still call it unlimited? You said:

Unlimited has a specific meaning - without end.

If it is truly unlimited then there would be no restrictions. Ultimately, the question is what is a reasonable restriction?
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I never claimed it was unlimited in the EU, it is unlimited in the country I purchased the SIM in which is entirely reasonable.
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I actually was curious as my Vodaphone has the same restriction. It also can be slowed after 200gb.

I am curious how the 5g rollout goes as I’ve seen no real improvement even on TMob’s 5g.
 
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i’ve never been on a verizon plan that had a deprioritized data limit cap, but.. i’ve been to firework events where i can’t even get webpages to load. so does it actually matter ? if there is congestion, you won’t be able to use the network , prioritized or not
 
jlc1978 said:
If it can be capped due to some criteria defined as misuse them, by your definition, it is not unlimited. In some cases, it’s also limited to the country service was started, so it’s not unlimited across the EU.
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I've never gotten this hardline stance. If the puritanical systematics matter that much then unlimited is dead for retail consumers. It's objectively worse for the consumer to have defined benefits. This is what the US cellular consumer went though for around a decade. You had to spend extra every month for extra data that you wouldn't use and would lose at the end of the month. And if you didn't spend enough on data then you got hit with overage fees. No one liked them.
 
31 Flavas said:
I've never gotten this hardline stance. If the puritanical systematics matter that much then unlimited is dead for retail consumers. It's objectively worse for the consumer to have defined benefits. This is what the US cellular consumer went though for around a decade. You had to spend extra every month for extra data that you wouldn't use and would lose at the end of the month. And if you didn't spend enough on data then you got hit with overage fees. No one liked them.
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I concur. It's not unreasonable to take action to maintain overall performance, and most users will never have that occur. The TOCs are clear on that point, if you bother to read them. To me, unlimited meaning no data overage charges is a reasonable interpretation of "unlimited," provided they state they may throttle in the ads. Here is some FTC guidance.
 
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North East Philadelphia on UW

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JJayguy23 said:
That's a given, I know 5G is faster, lol. But, 4G is plenty fast for most people, and is faster than many people's home broadband! What requires 5G?
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I think it depends on how it's being used. 5G on a phone or tablet, not so much as 4G is generally fast enough. For a hotspot, whether stand alone device or phone, or for home internet where there are multiple users 5G could be useful.

Of course, it's a lot like any tech - we need it because it is the latest and thus must be better; even if in reality it isn't. We can't be seen using last years tech; what would everyone think?
 
jlc1978 said:
I think it depends on how it's being used. 5G on a phone or tablet, not so much as 4G is generally fast enough. For a hotspot, whether stand alone device or phone, or for home internet where there are multiple users 5G could be useful.

Of course, it's a lot like any tech - we need it because it is the latest and thus must be better; even if in reality it isn't. We can't be seen using last years tech; what would everyone think?
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I'm all for faster and less lag, no doubt. It just seems like 5G doesn't really make a difference yet for most people. Until it's a MUST HAVE, adoption will be slowed.
 
Yet Verizon still can't provide good coverage at all in Northern Pennsylvania and Southern NYS along expressways while AT&T wireless has full coverage! Get outside a any city and Verizon gets spotty at best on expressways!
 
JJayguy23 said:
I'm all for faster and less lag, no doubt. It just seems like 5G doesn't really make a difference yet for most people. Until it's a MUST HAVE, adoption will be slowed.
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Adoption will happen at the rate that phones with 5G replace non-5G phones in the market. No one is going to not by a phone because it has 5G.
 
I'm still waiting for that killer 5G app. Where we just gotta have 5G!!! LOL. It might take a while...
 
JJayguy23 said:
I'm still waiting for that killer 5G app. Where we just gotta have 5G!!! LOL. It might take a while...
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As has already been pointed out in this thread, 5G UW (or 5G+ for AT&T) can be handy for downloading large files (e.g. movies) in a reasonable amount of time. Also mobile gaming experiences can be improved with the lower latency.

For some reason you appear to be intent on announcing your skepticism about the benefits of 5G. It’s not the greatest thing since sliced bread or penicillin, but there are use cases for it. Just not for everyone.
 
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