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Verizon Claims Network Ready for iPhone Should Apple Choose to Strike Deal
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Verizon is equally crap for some people too and with their high ETF, you better not think of cancelling your service.
You better not think of cancelling your service? Wow. That's pretty tough talk. AT&T is crappy for this person so why would they want to stay with them? Because you say they better stay with them? Verizon works better for many people and it makes sense they would use a network with 5x more 3G coverage.
EDIT: Okay after reading this post a few times I assume that you are trying to tell the person that if they go with Verizon they better not leave that contract. I still have no idea why you are so concerned with trying to make Verizon look bad. Why do you try and claim that everyone should be happy with AT&T? Do you work for them? I don't understand that. Let people choose what works for them.
I switched from Verizon after 8 years to AT&T for the iPhone. It wasnt a horrible idea for me as I had so many mistakes on my bill over the years (not to mention the terrible customer service I received each time this happened)... but man my service with AT&T sucks. In the 5 months I have had my phone I have probably dropped calls well over a hundred times while in my own home with full bars. Its not like I live out in the middle of nowhere, either.
ATT folks are morons.
Jobs saved their sorry rear-ends with the iphone deal - Verizon was destroying them in the marketplace. So what did ATT do with their windfall? Who knows? What we do know is that they DiD NOT invest in their network. Nor did they invest in customer service.
If Verizon gets the iphone - you will see (a well deserved) mass defection from ATT.
Jobs saved their sorry rear-ends with the iphone deal - Verizon was destroying them in the marketplace. So what did ATT do with their windfall? Who knows? What we do know is that they DiD NOT invest in their network. Nor did they invest in customer service.
If Verizon gets the iphone - you will see (a well deserved) mass defection from ATT.
Unless you consider an $18 Billion investment in their network and an addition of +3,000 new jobs insignificant, your statements are highly inaccurate.
AT&T Will Invest Up To $18 Billion This Year To Improve Its Networks
Not necessarily - with the unusually high incidence of ancillary charges and subsidiary fees which Verizon is renowned for, in addition to their atrocious customer service, the majority of existing AT&T may actually choose to stay, rollover minutes notwithstanding.
Sounds to me like he's an unhappy iPhone user, despite the expansion AT&T did to their network. IIRC, didn't they spend billions upgrading it?
Edit: DMann with the stats! $18 billion is a lot of cake!
Despite the rapid uptake, it is hard to stay ahead of the iPhone sales and data usage growth. I wonder if USGOV has about $50-100B for 4G rollout acceleration stimulus. More people would actually experience that than the current "stimulus".
Perhaps a "tax credit" rather than an "expenditure".
Rocketman
Well it's almost a year now and no tanngible results. So try again.
Results of this nature would, reasonably, take longer than 9 months to reveal tangible results.
The money was invested, as this was the point of dissension here.
No doubt - hopefully the Broadband Stimulus Initiative, as it has for Clearwire CLEAR™, will benefit AT&T as well.
Looking forward to LTE 4G, a long term evolution, it has been.
Minor correction if you read the article you linked to:
"Those job additions will be offset, however, by previously announced job cuts in AT&T’s declining wireline organization."
Although, okay, the new jobs are in the wireless side. All the carriers' landline sides are slowly disappearing, unless they move to fiber to the home and invest in cable-like services.
I don't think I could disagree more. AT&T's network is constantly being improved upon (there's a section of their website where you can track their progress; sorry about not having a link) and their customer service has always been 110% for me. Of course I'm always polite in asking for assistance.
How blatantly offensive can one be?
As long as there's nothing involving sheep, fine!
(The 'roo bit was tongue-in-cheek, nothing sets a Kiwi off like a kangaroo joke
Apparently, there's no limit here - even within his lame "tongue-in-cheek" abatement attempt, he manages to slip in yet another dig.
Way, way off the charts.
Why the hell would I want to go from crappy expensive cellphone service, to slightly less crappy MORE expensive cellphone service?
Also, the CDMA network really doesn't bode well for the whole talking / using data at the same time.
I don't know if they're addressing this issue by rolling out some new spectrum and honestly I'm not even going to read the rest of the thread to see if this issue has been addressed. But paying MORE for what I have now to get marginally better service seems like a terrible idea.
Verizon is way too expensive.
Also, the CDMA network really doesn't bode well for the whole talking / using data at the same time.
I don't know if they're addressing this issue by rolling out some new spectrum and honestly I'm not even going to read the rest of the thread to see if this issue has been addressed. But paying MORE for what I have now to get marginally better service seems like a terrible idea.
Verizon is way too expensive.
They both have the same price for voice and data plans.
Yep, not unless they used a VoIP solution for voice. Or deployed SVDO, which seems unlikely with LTE rolling out.
Me so bewildered!
I just got locked into Verizon due to combining 3 separate lines into one family plan + state discount via brother and mom, meaning my bill is half of what it was with more minutes to boot. But I just can't get over the distinct feeling beneath me of a sinking ship.
I switched to Verizon 5 years ago because their coverage was flawless all over New York City, most importantly in my apt.--until last spring. Reception suddenly became spotty, jumping up and down, cutting calls if I so much as moved an inch from my perch on the windowsill (that's why I left T-Mobile back in the day!) and, disturbingly, in random outdoor places throughout the city. So, 3 trouble tickets and a replaced phone later, Verizon claimed their technicians found no problem in my neighborhood and that I should just get a Network Extender... for $250! This cheap trick was launched, I discovered, at the same time I began having issues.
In my opinion, this inexplicable decline in service was a void of their end of the contract, and I was ready to leave. And also: the Droid was just so, well, inelegant, ponderous and ugly (not to mention 2/3's of the Verizon reps did not know how to use its basic functions when I tested it) compared to the Iphone, and the Iphone was just so straightforward and clear, despite groans over AT&T's service. But then I saw my AT&T friend talk all over my apartment one day while my bars did the hoochie-koochie-as-usual, so happiness seemed to be very individual, for some reason.
I did almost buy the Droid (as my geek brother loved his), but the damn thing had too many buttons too close together being pressed inadvertently to even give me a moment's rest, and I knew it would lead to sadness. And the whole SD card thing and lack of THE basic multitask (talk AND data) on a machine that was "all about multitasking"? Yet, I couldn't blow all that money on a 3GS knowing new stuff would come immediately after Christmas.
So, luckily, I got my bill halved and stayed with my bulletproof Nokia till the Alamo dust settles in 6-8 months, apparently. What I mean to say to you all, to the Canadian, especially, is:
1) Verizon's insistence on staying with CDMA is my dad still using cassettes (he does!) instead of MP3's: dependable, analog, but limited in 2009, and the wind is obviously blowing the other way in the rest of the world. The only reason calls "aren't dropped" is that Verizon cuts data from the equation, unlike the rest of the world (and AT&T). And people want to use voice and data and call all over the world--face it. Verizon claims superiority while not playing on the same pitch with the same rules. They don't have the Iphone and all it entails, so how can they claim superiority?
2) Likewise, Canada is geographically larger than the U.S., yet has only around 35 million residents, at most. We have over 300 million. The logistical differences are great (duh!). So don't promote the stereotype and call us whining, spoiled, self-centered brats; the playing field is a distinctly uphill one for us.
3) I just want a smartphone to free up my time, not mess it up with keystroke errors, excess trays and silly flaws. That is why the Iphone is still winning and always will: it is well-designed. The Droid is like throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks: Quantity over Quality. Remember, Motorola was going DOWNhill before this (I know, I had their phones breaking in my hands every few months before Nokia), and they--like everyone else--now want to steal Apple's fire. But Apple has that fire for a reason, and until someone understands their appeal to consumers, all the clunky Droids in the universe won't make up for a lack of populist appeal and dependability, dare I say "humanity"?
4) I know Droid users love to hate Steve Jobs and Apple's "closed-door" approach, but all I know is that my MacMini maintains itself well, causing much less frustration than my mothballed PC virus magnet.
Verizon's gloating is a little weird, considering they are so out of step with the rest of the mobile world. And that they are not even trying to offer GSM features is a sure sign of pathology, it seems. They are having a brief moment in the sun right now; they will soon be left behind for very obvious reasons. They are not being true Americans, true capitalists, whose success in the world depends entirely on offering the best product for the best value by way of free market survival of the fittest, played out on a level playing field. Verizon is the Eastern bloc of the EU: a ghostly consensus reality remaining unchanged despite all barriers being removed.
I am just glad I don't have to give them so much for so little anymore, and with that thought, I must purchase another paper, CDMA-ish year planner while Google Calendars fill up all around me, at least until the Iphone comes to Verizon...
I just got locked into Verizon due to combining 3 separate lines into one family plan + state discount via brother and mom, meaning my bill is half of what it was with more minutes to boot. But I just can't get over the distinct feeling beneath me of a sinking ship.
I switched to Verizon 5 years ago because their coverage was flawless all over New York City, most importantly in my apt.--until last spring. Reception suddenly became spotty, jumping up and down, cutting calls if I so much as moved an inch from my perch on the windowsill (that's why I left T-Mobile back in the day!) and, disturbingly, in random outdoor places throughout the city. So, 3 trouble tickets and a replaced phone later, Verizon claimed their technicians found no problem in my neighborhood and that I should just get a Network Extender... for $250! This cheap trick was launched, I discovered, at the same time I began having issues.
In my opinion, this inexplicable decline in service was a void of their end of the contract, and I was ready to leave. And also: the Droid was just so, well, inelegant, ponderous and ugly (not to mention 2/3's of the Verizon reps did not know how to use its basic functions when I tested it) compared to the Iphone, and the Iphone was just so straightforward and clear, despite groans over AT&T's service. But then I saw my AT&T friend talk all over my apartment one day while my bars did the hoochie-koochie-as-usual, so happiness seemed to be very individual, for some reason.
I did almost buy the Droid (as my geek brother loved his), but the damn thing had too many buttons too close together being pressed inadvertently to even give me a moment's rest, and I knew it would lead to sadness. And the whole SD card thing and lack of THE basic multitask (talk AND data) on a machine that was "all about multitasking"? Yet, I couldn't blow all that money on a 3GS knowing new stuff would come immediately after Christmas.
So, luckily, I got my bill halved and stayed with my bulletproof Nokia till the Alamo dust settles in 6-8 months, apparently. What I mean to say to you all, to the Canadian, especially, is:
1) Verizon's insistence on staying with CDMA is my dad still using cassettes (he does!) instead of MP3's: dependable, analog, but limited in 2009, and the wind is obviously blowing the other way in the rest of the world. The only reason calls "aren't dropped" is that Verizon cuts data from the equation, unlike the rest of the world (and AT&T). And people want to use voice and data and call all over the world--face it. Verizon claims superiority while not playing on the same pitch with the same rules. They don't have the Iphone and all it entails, so how can they claim superiority?
2) Likewise, Canada is geographically larger than the U.S., yet has only around 35 million residents, at most. We have over 300 million. The logistical differences are great (duh!). So don't promote the stereotype and call us whining, spoiled, self-centered brats; the playing field is a distinctly uphill one for us.
3) I just want a smartphone to free up my time, not mess it up with keystroke errors, excess trays and silly flaws. That is why the Iphone is still winning and always will: it is well-designed. The Droid is like throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks: Quantity over Quality. Remember, Motorola was going DOWNhill before this (I know, I had their phones breaking in my hands every few months before Nokia), and they--like everyone else--now want to steal Apple's fire. But Apple has that fire for a reason, and until someone understands their appeal to consumers, all the clunky Droids in the universe won't make up for a lack of populist appeal and dependability, dare I say "humanity"?
4) I know Droid users love to hate Steve Jobs and Apple's "closed-door" approach, but all I know is that my MacMini maintains itself well, causing much less frustration than my mothballed PC virus magnet.
Verizon's gloating is a little weird, considering they are so out of step with the rest of the mobile world. And that they are not even trying to offer GSM features is a sure sign of pathology, it seems. They are having a brief moment in the sun right now; they will soon be left behind for very obvious reasons. They are not being true Americans, true capitalists, whose success in the world depends entirely on offering the best product for the best value by way of free market survival of the fittest, played out on a level playing field. Verizon is the Eastern bloc of the EU: a ghostly consensus reality remaining unchanged despite all barriers being removed.
I am just glad I don't have to give them so much for so little anymore, and with that thought, I must purchase another paper, CDMA-ish year planner while Google Calendars fill up all around me, at least until the Iphone comes to Verizon...
Two points I want to make here. 1) Comparing CDMA technology to a cassette tape is silly. I hope you realize that CDMA is a digital technology it's not analog! 2) Have you ever thought that for some people voice reliability might be more important then being able to browse the web and talk at the same time? If your carrier can't hold a phone call without dropping it what is the point of being able to use data at the same time? You criticize Verizon for being a CDMA carrier, however why is the technology so bad if they have the most reliable network in the US? You claim GSM is way better and so much more modern so if that is the case AT&T should not be having any issues. They should have better coverage and a more reliable network... but they don't.
EDIT: I also want to address this...
Just because your PC was a virus magnet what makes you think Android will be? Android and Windows are two completely different products. Just because one has issues doesn't mean the other one will. Your post would be a lot better if you took out all of the nonsense comparisons and assumptions. Like the one where you assume that all Droid owners hate Steve Jobs. I don't hate Steve and I own a Droid.
Metaphors, metaphors....
... are what I am using in my post.
I mean, Verizon was the best network in my little world a year ago, but now they are not for actual reasons that matter to me. I just don't understand why my service has gotten worse as time goes on despite my alerting them to it; isn't progress progressive? So when I see an AT&T phone working in my apartment, I conclude: these realities are entirely subjective, and maybe "best" is not always accurate in this case.
Like I said, it gives me pause to see my dinky voice calls cutting out already; what might happen if Verizon had the type and degree of usage that AT&T does? Isn't that what they say they can do, after all? They swagger and strut about it! But, like all male egotism and machismo, it is trumped up to hide weaknesses plainly visible. I'm not making this up, you know.
... are what I am using in my post.
I mean, Verizon was the best network in my little world a year ago, but now they are not for actual reasons that matter to me. I just don't understand why my service has gotten worse as time goes on despite my alerting them to it; isn't progress progressive? So when I see an AT&T phone working in my apartment, I conclude: these realities are entirely subjective, and maybe "best" is not always accurate in this case.
Like I said, it gives me pause to see my dinky voice calls cutting out already; what might happen if Verizon had the type and degree of usage that AT&T does? Isn't that what they say they can do, after all? They swagger and strut about it! But, like all male egotism and machismo, it is trumped up to hide weaknesses plainly visible. I'm not making this up, you know.
Oh, and Rush!
I guess I am too green to comment on Rush Limbaugh's sudden plight in the Politics forum, but I just have to say the comments getting posted are quite entertaining! It's so.... true to life, isn't it?!
I guess I am too green to comment on Rush Limbaugh's sudden plight in the Politics forum, but I just have to say the comments getting posted are quite entertaining! It's so.... true to life, isn't it?!