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Verizon Claims Network Ready for iPhone Should Apple Choose to Strike Deal

diamond.g said:
@aristotle:
From everything that I have read I thought LTE was using OFDM not WCDMA due to the better use of spectrum.
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You are correct.

LTE does NOT use WCDMA for the air interface. LTE uses OFDM for its downlink.

And the LTE backend being all IP would be totally new to AT&T.

In other words, it's yet another new network coexisting with the original GSM towers, just as UMTS 3G does.

My delay in response is because Aristotle (and jav6454) are so confused with their misreading of UMTS and LTE articles, that it's taking me a while to come up with a clear enough explanation so they can understand how they got misled by certain phrases concerning the word "UMTS" and marketing speak such as "evolution".

It's as if someone read that a Hybrid car would be an "evolution" of the current model, and they jumped to the conclusion that their old car secretly had a big electric motor, just waiting to be turned on.

Oddly, all they have to do is think for one second about what they're claiming (that ATT can upgrade to LTE via software), and they'd realize that it doesn't make sense. If such magic were possible, why not do it now?
 
Personally I hope Verizon doesn't get the iPhone. I don't mind the problems with AT&T.

The problem I have with Verizon is that they charge for the stupidest things, they don't offer roll over minutes and everyone I know with their network has the same problem AT&T has.

I will get rid of my iPhone if Apple moves to the Verizon network. I'd rather a Windows phone then the Verizon network.


Hopefully Apple isn't that stupid to sign with Verizon.
 
kdarling,

if the frequencies and amplifiers are the same I don't see why they can't flash the hardware. I "think" modern phone towers use boards that contain FPGA devices (Field Programmable Gate Arrays) which effectively allow their hardware logic gates to be reprogrammed with software. So it IS somewhat possible to upgrade the systems without fully replacing them. The limit on this would be the transmitter frequencies and the data rate capability of the hardware. If for some magic reason they can use the same or similar frequencies and only swap out the amplifiers to allow them to transmit more speed (again most likely a function of frequency) then in theory they could upgrade the FPGA software to put new hardware in them that is faster or works better. Aside from that I'd be willing to bet that all the hardware they have is upgradable in phases.
 
Goona said:
AT&T wins another speed test:

http://gizmodo.com/5428343/our-2009-12+city-3g-data-mega-test-att-won?skyline=true&s=x

The Verizon employees spreading FUD told us it's not possible for this to happen.
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And Gizmodo says "We didn't test dropped voice calls".... :eek:

Saturday night my husband and I (with WinMo Verizon phones) were in the city (SF) with another couple (a pair of Iphones). We were having dinner at a restaurant in the Hayes (Café Altano).

We needed to check theatre times. Iphone 1. No data signal. Iphone 2. No data signal. WinMo 1. 3 bars, full EV-DO A, got the times right away.

None of us were Verizon employees - but the Iphones were useless. The Verizon phones worked fine.
 
AidenShaw said:
And Gizmodo says "We didn't test dropped voice calls".... :eek:

Saturday night my husband and I (with WinMo Verizon phones) were in the city (SF) with another couple (a pair of Iphones). We were having dinner at a restaurant in the Hayes (Café Altano).

We needed to check theatre times. Iphone 1. No data signal. Iphone 2. No data signal. WinMo 1. 3 bars, full EV-DO A, got the times right away.

None of us were Verizon employees - but the Iphones were useless. The Verizon phones worked fine.
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Yeah I believe you. :rolleyes:
 
Goona said:
Yeah I believe you. :rolleyes:
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The credibility of a story teller, one who repeatedly overlooks details, such as referring to an iPhone as an Iphone, is suspect from the outset.

I've traveled throughout the San Francisco Bay area for an entire week in July for a wedding, riding through the Morgan Hill areas, Santa Cruz, Monterey Counties, and Sonoma County.

Coverage was excellent - not one dropped call, and data was available in 3G for most of the time, falling back to Edge occasionally along the Sonoma Coast, an area which, I've been told, Verizon's reception was notoriously spotty.

Although a Huge AT&T 3G Outage in San Francisco Area was reported to have occurred last week, don't expect the story teller to acknowledge that small tidbit of information.

He seems, instead, more content in glibly reveling in his petty anecdotes, than in revealing the entire scenario.
 
AidenShaw said:
And Gizmodo says "We didn't test dropped voice calls".... :eek:

Saturday night my husband and I (with WinMo Verizon phones) were in the city (SF) with another couple (a pair of Iphones). We were having dinner at a restaurant in the Hayes (Café Altano).

We needed to check theatre times. Iphone 1. No data signal. Iphone 2. No data signal. WinMo 1. 3 bars, full EV-DO A, got the times right away.

None of us were Verizon employees - but the Iphones were useless. The Verizon phones worked fine.
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So you're blaming the iPhone for AT&T's crappy signal in your area? And I though you were non-biased in this area.
 
MorphingDragon said:
So you're blaming the iPhone for AT&T's crappy signal in your area? And I though you were non-biased in this area.
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Did you read what he wrote? He said no signal, so the iphone (Iphones/IPHONE ... not sure how to write it) couldn't be used. If he was saying the iphone/Iphone/IPHONE was crap, then he would have said plenty of bars but it didn't work.

Y'all need to lighten up. Some areas are better than others for different cell carriers. Who cares. It's not life and death (unless calling 911). For me, if it comes to a carrier with decent coverage where I live/work/travel, then I'll consider it.
 
bergmef said:
Did you read what he wrote? He said no signal, so the iphone (Iphones/IPHONE ... not sure how to write it) couldn't be used. If he was saying the iphone/Iphone/IPHONE was crap, then he would have said plenty of bars but it didn't work.

Y'all need to lighten up. Some areas are better than others for different cell carriers. Who cares. It's not life and death (unless calling 911). For me, if it comes to a carrier with decent coverage where I live/work/travel, then I'll consider it.
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"but the Iphones were useless. The Verizon phones worked fine."
 
MorphingDragon said:
"but the Iphones were useless. The Verizon phones worked fine."
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Because they had no data ... good grief.

Iphone 1. No data signal. Iphone 2. No data signal. WinMo 1. 3 bars, full EV-DO A, got the times right away.

None of us were Verizon employees - but the Iphones were useless. The Verizon phones worked fine.
 
bergmef said:
Because they had no data ... good grief.

Iphone 1. No data signal. Iphone 2. No data signal. WinMo 1. 3 bars, full EV-DO A, got the times right away.

None of us were Verizon employees - but the Iphones were useless. The Verizon phones worked fine.
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I'm not arguing his points, I'm arguing how he said it. Good Grief, learn some english comprehension.
 
Goona said:
Yeah I believe you. :rolleyes:
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Thank you. I would not want to think that you're ignoring facts (even anecdotes) that don't fit your world model.

After all, what's the real value of a phone being faster if tested in one part of the city, when there are other parts of the city where it gets 0 bps?


MorphingDragon said:
:rolleyes:

Its just that little off piece of tone in his last sentence that puts it off.
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I should have said "the Iphones were useless in that restaurant at 602 Hayes Street" - but you should have been able to figure that out from context (you know, those words). ;)
 
AidenShaw said:
And Gizmodo says "We didn't test dropped voice calls".... :eek:

Saturday night my husband and I (with WinMo Verizon phones) were in the city (SF) with another couple (a pair of Iphones). We were having dinner at a restaurant in the Hayes (Café Altano).

We needed to check theatre times. Iphone 1. No data signal. Iphone 2. No data signal. WinMo 1. 3 bars, full EV-DO A, got the times right away.

None of us were Verizon employees - but the Iphones were useless. The Verizon phones worked fine.
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I take a lot of crap from my verizon friends about coverage, dropped connectivity and so on. I can't count the number of times they have been able to get info off the internet quicker than me, as I bounce back and forth between edge to 3g. Changing towers while on the hi ways, forget it mind as well let them get the info.
AT&T in my area has added a good number of 3g towers along the interstates as of late but the coverage my verizon friends get is better.
I has said it before I would rather have a slower network with seamless coverage than a spotty fast network.
1 year left on he current AT&T contract, then I will be looking at all the options out there.
 
AidenShaw said:
And Gizmodo says "We didn't test dropped voice calls".... :eek:

Saturday night my husband and I (with WinMo Verizon phones) were in the city (SF) with another couple (a pair of Iphones). We were having dinner at a restaurant in the Hayes (Café Altano).

We needed to check theatre times. Iphone 1. No data signal. Iphone 2. No data signal. WinMo 1. 3 bars, full EV-DO A, got the times right away.

None of us were Verizon employees - but the Iphones were useless. The Verizon phones worked fine.
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SF is full of hills like NYC is full of tall buildings. cell phone signals don't like hills and it's hard to place towers to cover every square inch.

over the summer i was visiting family and had my iphone and sprint BB. the sprint had crappy coverage in that part of NYC and other people with Sprint in the area say the same thing. the iphone works great in the area. and in manhattan my iphone works a lot better than my Sprint BB which is always going on roaming every other block

few weeks ago i was doing some IT consulting and my iphone saved me hours and hours of work and solved a problem that had my stumped. my friend's Verizon blackberry was useless

there is no carrier that covers every square inch of the USA with it's signal
 
AidenShaw said:
Thank you. I would not want to think that you're ignoring facts (even anecdotes) that don't fit your world model.

After all, what's the real value of a phone being faster if tested in one part of the city, when there are other parts of the city where it gets 0 bps?
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Dude I wouldn't have expected anything differently from you.
 
alent1234 said:
SF is full of hills like NYC is full of tall buildings. cell phone signals don't like hills and it's hard to place towers to cover every square inch.
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True, but 602 Hayes St isn't in a skyscraper canyon - it's in a flat area with 2 to 3 story buildings. It's well known that AT&T coverage is poor in the Bay area - that restaurant was unlucky enough to be in an AT&T dead zone.
 
It would happen on any network

Any network that experiences that kind of growth would have issues. I have had verizon in the past, and they are horrible.. their plans are, their customer service does.. I am on AT&T and my service is fine, I drop calls, but in the same spots I dropped calls when I had verizon.

When and if they get an iphone, we will be reading the same complaints about their service, no doubt!
 
MorphingDragon said:
You didn't do very well at analysis in English did you?
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No need to be so rude. He's not the one having the problem understanding.

The rest of us knew exactly what he meant, perhaps because it also happens to us all the time.

Go inside most restaurants where I live in the northern NJ hills, and ATT phones have no signal, while other carriers' phones do. It's just the way it is.
 
AidenShaw said:
I should have said "the Iphones were useless in that restaurant at 602 Hayes Street" - but you should have been able to figure that out from context (you know, those words). ;)
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No, to be clear, you should have said: "the iPhones were unable to retrieve data in that restaurant at 602 Hayes Street."

The iPhones were not useless, since they were still able to function, make calls, and run apps.

Furthermore, 3G service in the Bay Area happened to have been disrupted from 12/11-12/12, during the time you claim to have been there - a factor which, for the sake of your precious little anecdote, you have conveniently chosen to ignore:

"Reports are showing up in various places indicating that AT&T is having major service disruptions in the San Francisco Bay Area. The nature of the problem seems to vary based on location. In some areas, calls are going through but data and SMS are down....Customers are reporting that AT&T reps are informing them of a 24-48 hour wait to get data and SMS services back up. AT&T has made a statement saying, “We are seeing a hardware issue in downtown San Francisco that is causing some degradation in service. GSM and EDGE voice and data services are still accessible. Our experts are aware and working to resolve as quickly as possible.” Indeed, users are reporting that turning off 3G results in solid EDGE access."

This would very likely have been the cause for a lack of data signal at Café Altano.

Your incidental tale seems to be rather shallow, from this perspective.
 
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