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And since this phone will be running Eclair (Android 2.0), and its open source and completely customizable, I fully expect it to look better upon release or you can simply change it around yourself to your likings.

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So, the argument here is that Android will be successful just like Linux is successful. If you don't like how it works, you can just change it and recompile the kernel!

Sorry, that's about the LEAST compelling argument for an open source phone ever.
 
Eh, I'll just stick with T-Mobile, which has the best plans in terms of value if you live in the North East (well, from Maryland up).

Then again, I don't even need any of that fancy smancy 3G.
 
A real keyboard?

Since when is touchscreen a step backward? I prefer a touchscreen keyboard to a "real" one any day.
 
I like their “there’s a map for that” commercial better. Verizon has possibly the worst selection of phones of all the U.S. carriers. They couldn’t even get the Palm Pre first.
 
Huh? You're not making sense. AT&T was indeed called Cingular back when negciations between them and Apple were going around. They were in the process of re-branding themselves as AT&T at that time, but that doesn;t change anything to begin with.



Verizon was considered first because of their subscriber base. When they turned Apple down, they went to the next largest carrier - AT&T. At the time, Sprint was still reeling from the acquisition of Nextel and I believe they were hemorrhaging customers too.

it was like 3 teams trading players.
Apple had secured Cingular as the carrier for the iphone.
Right around the same time Apple secured Cingular, Cingular bought the wireless side of ATT and SBC and Bell South bought the other side of ATT. Then SBC and Bell south, now ATT bought the wireless side back from Cingular making the modern day "new" ATT landline and wireless (more bars in more places).
If I am wrong/confused or whatever I know for sure Verizon is in a very intereting position. Really push Android and maintain/take market share fom apple or increase market share for apple but getting the iphone on their network.
I think Verizon is in a win or really win position. Even if 10% convert to the iphone that is nearly 8 million newly sold iphones.


Sprint/Nextel = AMD/ATi.....in each case the selling party were better than the best used car salesman.

I like their “there’s a map for that” commercial better. Verizon has possibly the worst selection of phones of all the U.S. carriers. They couldn’t even get the Palm Pre first.

Maybe the smart phone selection but the regular phone selections have a very good slection. ATT regular phones, horrible
 
LOLOMG, surprised Micheal Bay and Paramount don't sue them for that add. I was waiting for the full on Transformers sound effects to start.
 
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So, the argument here is that Android will be successful just like Linux is successful. If you don't like how it works, you can just change it and recompile the kernel!

Sorry, that's about the LEAST compelling argument for an open source phone ever.

Actually, I think the least compelling argument for a truly open source phone is that it introduces one more element of randomness into a piece of technology that we depend on quite a bit.

Apple's draconian lock-down of their phones' technology can be annoying, but I'm guessing it dramatically reduces the hardware/software error rate -- which is nice a thing when you consider that there are times (car dead on roadside, emergency situation at home) when the last thing you want is your cell phone being finicky because of the stuff you've installed.

There's a balance to be struck, though.
 
God, they sure do make ugly machines. But if the thing can make clear and reliable phone calls, it has a serious advantage over iPhone/AT&T in my area!

I hold AT&T responsible for the quality of their network. It's hard to hold Apple accountable for that.

If anything, AT&T need to improve the quality of their network so that the iPhone can operate at its full potential.
 
A real keyboard?
Since when is touchscreen a step backward? I prefer a touchscreen keyboard to a "real" one any day.

They're both okay, but if you have big hands, a larger one of any sort is nice.

Also, Verizon's power base is in the Northeast, where gloves are common during the winter. It almost seems strange that they'd allow a capacitive screen without cursor keys as an emergency alternative... unless the keyboard has a set. (?)

Maybe the smart phone selection but the regular phone selections have a very good slection. ATT regular phones, horrible

Actually, they've flipped totally around on their smartphone selection as well. Apparently all the criticism finally got through to them. Now they get the latest Samsung and HTC phones, sometimes even before ATT. Add in 'Droid and Pre phones, and they're doing very well.
 
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So, the argument here is that Android will be successful just like Linux is successful. If you don't like how it works, you can just change it and recompile the kernel!

Sorry, that's about the LEAST compelling argument for an open source phone ever.

That's certainly not my argument. Mine would be that it is an extremely versatile and easy to use phone that is quite comparable to the iPhone. The open source aspect is to encourage developers to program for it, not for Joe Public to crack open emacs and modify code on his phone.

Eh, I'll just stick with T-Mobile, which has the best plans in terms of value if you live in the North East (well, from Maryland up).

Then again, I don't even need any of that fancy smancy 3G.

Actually in Chicagoland T-Mobile's MyTouch 3G is quite fast, faster than previous phones on the same network.

A real keyboard?

Since when is touchscreen a step backward? I prefer a touchscreen keyboard to a "real" one any day.

Completely subjective. Many people (pretty much anyone coming from a Blackberry) appreciate a real keyboard. I quite like the iPhone's keyboard too, but it's not universal love.

Actually, I think the least compelling argument for a truly open source phone is that it introduces one more element of randomness into a piece of technology that we depend on quite a bit.

Apple's draconian lock-down of their phones' technology can be annoying, but I'm guessing it dramatically reduces the hardware/software error rate -- which is nice a thing when you consider that there are times (car dead on roadside, emergency situation at home) when the last thing you want is your cell phone being finicky because of the stuff you've installed.

There's a balance to be struck, though.

Is this the same open source randomness that runs most of the world's web servers? Just curious.
 
Good concept but sloppy execution. Goes on for a little too long with cheap shots (although some are legit points). However, anything to kick Apple up the behind is welcome. They cannot afford to do another incremental bump with the amount of very strong smartphones coming out recently.
 
It's the usability of the device, not the specs, but some people are too thick to understand that.

No. On the long run, it's always the open platform - the one that runs on many different devices from many different manufacturers - that wins.

In a few years from now, all Apple fanboys will once again be claiming that they are happy with the fact that Apple only has 10% market share, and that they don't want Apple to have more market share, because then the products would lose their quality and attract malware authors and all that other nonsense that's being posted. The only "new" aspect would then be that those posts would be about the iPhone and not about the Mac.

But some people are too thick to understand that.
 
iDon't support concurrent web access and voice calls.

iDon't support international network standards (like GSM).

iDon't have over 85,000 APPs (at least not yet).

iDo want complete control of all hardware and Apps on your smart phones.

iWill have to buy another phone for international travel.

iWill disable features that do not benefit my bottom line.

iWIll nickel and dime you for everything.

iWill bash the other carriers..until my network fails under the same pressure when it is finally "tested".

i will aggravate att-iphone fanboys and having them in an angry posting fury
 
No. On the long run, it's always the open platform - the one that runs on many different devices from many different manufacturers - that wins.

Then why hasn't Linux taken over Windows on the desktop? You can't get more open than Linux or less open than Microsoft. Or on the flip side, what business has the approach where one system running on lots of different hardware from different manufactures been a success. Outside of the PC industry I doubt that you can and even there I argue that that particular model only worked due to a fluke. Tons of companies are massively successful by exploiting closed ecosystems. Take video game consoles. Not even MS chose to adopt an open platform that anybody can develop for. It's an industry where closed source is the rule - and it works. Heck, the X-box is a PC in of itself - same type of hardware. But a closed ecosystem.

Open systems are not the only ingredient for success and they are not a guarantee of success.
 
I love my iphone but lets not kid ourselves far from perfect. The touch keyboard is fair, cant use multiple apps at once,the worst reception of any phone I owned, apple changes paid apps with updates taking out the reason most bought it(istat). The newest update for the os, if I keep push on the battery is used up in no time. Dont see apple rushing to fix it. I hope this gives them a kick in the shorts.
 
I wonder how big a team they put together and how long thay had to look for something the iPhone "won't do".

It seems they are in negotiations with Apple and here and now this is their public approach. One wonders just how ingenuously they are negotiating? They had first offer of refusal on iPhone pre-release. Now this?

Is this proof positive even they agree they were seriously wrong, or is it some form of saying we are going our own way with higher priced data plans, higher priced voice plans and niche hardware, all as a means to pay for a wider network not clogged with all those annoying customers and data users.

Rocketman
 
I agree that there are things that the iPhone doesn't do that many including myself would like, however the things that the iPhone does cant be matched on any device. I have used BB, Android, WM, and WebOS and all the browsers are pathetic compared to the iPhone. Second none of the others have an iPod, I dont want to carry another music player. I think that the amount of "razr" people that have adopted the iPhone speak to how well it does most of the things you want.
 
I'm not giving up my iPhone for an Android (or Pre, or anything device), but I have become quite a hater of AT&T and I do hope Apple ends the exclusivity agreement.

Even though it's not going to make me switch phones, I think it's good for Apple to get some heat. Hopefully it'll keep them from getting too comfy with their position and keep them innovating.
 
Service is like the road, and phone is like the car

It seems to me that Verizon's service is supposedly better than AT&T's (though I read plenty of complaints about it as well and that is without the bandwidth hog the iPhone puts on that infrastructure), but they have terrible phones. AT&T has awesome phones but not the greatest service.
I don't know if it is me or not, but it seems like service is like a road and the phone is like a car... it depends on what you value more. If you like good roads but don't mind driving a Gremlin, than Verizon seems to fit the bill. If you want to drive a MB, but end up driving on crappy roads with lots of potholes, than AT&T is good for that.
So it seems like it is just a matter of preference until both end up being good on both sides of the equation. I happen to go for the better phone because the quality of service varies with new developments in technology and is seemingly always in flux. The phone is what I have control of choosing as being better or not. That is just my own preference... but the whole debate seems pretty lame at this point...
 
I agree that there are things that the iPhone doesn't do that many including myself would like, however the things that the iPhone does cant be matched on any device. I have used BB, Android, WM, and WebOS and all the browsers are pathetic compared to the iPhone. Second none of the others have an iPod, I dont want to carry another music player. I think that the amount of "razr" people that have adopted the iPhone speak to how well it does most of the things you want.

You haven't used Opera Mini 5 beta have you?
 
it was like 3 teams trading players.
Apple had secured Cingular as the carrier for the iphone.
Right around the same time Apple secured Cingular, Cingular bought the wireless side of ATT and SBC and Bell South bought the other side of ATT. Then SBC and Bell south, now ATT bought the wireless side back from Cingular making the modern day "new" ATT landline and wireless (more bars in more places).

That's what I was arguing - I think we crossed wires back there.
 
I am, for now, sticking with the touch. at+t's network is too crappy and expensive for me... But I do admit the android on verizon is starting to pique my interest...

I'm not giving up my iPhone for an Android (or Pre, or anything device), but I have become quite a hater of AT&T and I do hope Apple ends the exclusivity agreement.

Even though it's not going to make me switch phones, I think it's good for Apple to get some heat. Hopefully it'll keep them from getting too comfy with their position and keep them innovating.
 
Well Said

iDon't support concurrent web access and voice calls.

iDon't support international network standards (like GSM).

iDon't have over 85,000 APPs (at least not yet).

iDo want complete control of all hardware and Apps on your smart phones.

iWill have to buy another phone for international travel.

iWill disable features that do not benefit my bottom line.

iWIll nickel and dime you for everything.

iWill bash the other carriers..until my network fails under the same pressure when it is finally "tested".

Well said. Yet, at the same time somebody needs to light the fire under AT&T because that cocky 'at&t-itude is really old. We, the consumers, usually get screwed. More competition = better technology & prices. "Oh, who cares about picture text... we are AT&T!... they can wait":apple:
 
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