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Well, I dont think I could put the blame on either. Verizon has LTE phones that support voice+data and it would obviously not be in their best interest to switch to VoLTE just to cater to one phone, even if it is the iPhone 5. Same goes for Apple. They have carriers all over the globe, they do not need to add an antenna just for Verizon and Sprint. It goes both ways, but I'm still bummed about this.

It's in everyone's interest to switch to VoLTE eventually, since the longer the delay, the longer it will be before 3G networks can be turned off and their spectrum refarmed. Heck, 2G shutdowns are just now starting.
 
My 2 cents...
For the first time in my life I've been considering Samsung Galaxy S3, which is unbelievable for me.

I have had 4 droids including the Galaxy S3. All were returned.

I'm more happy using an iPhone 3GS right now, even tho the pictures look like ass compared to the S3 and the screen is much lower res. I'll be getting an iPhone 5. :D
 
Then CDMA is not the network for you. Move on and choose AT&T.

You can't dismiss his points when someone clearly asked WHY someone would need both. He was responding to that question. He didn't judge.

It's a function of the size of the phone. The S3 is as big as a pancake. It should have decent battery life.

It's not as big as a pancake. Let's not talk hyperbole. And a bigger screen NOT LTE necessitates the larger battery capacity.

Plus - if you have the room - why NOT have a bigger battery.
 
I have had 4 droids including the Galaxy S3. All were returned.

I'm more happy using an iPhone 3GS right now, even tho the pictures look like ass compared to the S3 and the screen is much lower res. I'll be getting an iPhone 5. :D

First off "Droid" is a name used for Motorola branded Android OS phones. To even suggest the 3GS compares to any of the newer Android phones like the One X or SGSIII is ludicrous. Though maybe you mean it in a way like my grandmother would be more happy in an old Lincoln Town Car as opposed to a Porsche 911 Turbo. Ok I see what you are saying now ;)
 
Dumb question...

Am I able to tether my iPhone to my VZ LTE iPad while driving, thus having wifi and cellular? That way I can do both talk and surf? (by surf, I mean navigation with WAZE, since I'm driving)

I know this is a pain in the butt to do every time I anticipate talking and navigating (with the LA traffic, WAZE helps tremendously) but it would be good to know, as I was planning on switching. I have not enjoyed AT&T in LA at all. :mad:
 
It's in everyone's interest to switch to VoLTE eventually, since the longer the delay, the longer it will be before 3G networks can be turned off and their spectrum refarmed. Heck, 2G shutdowns are just now starting.

Well I know its in the works and I hear it will be rolling out sometime next year. These transitions always take forever.
 
It's not as big as a pancake. Let's not talk hyperbole. And a bigger screen NOT LTE necessitates the larger battery capacity.

Plus - if you have the room - why NOT have a bigger battery.

It's pretty big - at least as big as a "silver dollar" pancake. The LTE and the bigger screen necessitated the bigger battery. Remember that the S3 uses an older LTE chip (like the new iPad). It uses up more battery since it's a 45nm design vs. a 32nm design. It's just like how the 2012 MacBook Air gets better actual battery life than the 2011 even though both have the same battery and screen.

I don't disagree that making most of the room inside makes sense. However, it was Samsung's decision to make a phone that big, and Apple's to make a phone that's much smaller.
 
Ok well there is nothing you can do so? No one dismissed anything. It's called realism.

You can't dismiss his points when someone clearly asked WHY someone would need both. He was responding to that question. He didn't judge.



It's not as big as a pancake. Let's not talk hyperbole. And a bigger screen NOT LTE necessitates the larger battery capacity.

Plus - if you have the room - why NOT have a bigger battery.
 
It uses two radios and two antennas. It takes a toll on battery life. Verizon could address this by implementing VoLTE, which would benefit everyone using an LTE phone, including you, since it would shut off the CDMA radio entirely. They could also implement CDMA Rev B, which supports SVDO over CDMA.

It's a curious decision by Apple, to be sure, but I can understand the technical reasons for making that design choice (Apple wants to use a single more advanced chip than two less advanced chips to save space and battery life).

Anyway, I'm on AT&T, so I don't really care as I could do this years ago.

No need for Rev B, svdo works fine on the current network. That was the good thing about the spec when it came out. It's just up to the handset makers to implement it. Apple chose not to, it's their phone to build.

That said, I'm disappointed. I have great verizon coverage and no ATT coverage at home or work.
 
Well I know its in the works and I hear it will be rolling out sometime next year. These transitions always take forever.

I'm likely going to stick with the "Death Star" for now, though I'm eying T-Mobile once they get LTE over AWS. I'm off contract and am hoping they make the no-commitment version available from AT&T. I can unlock it later, but I want to get the phone as quickly as possible as I have a signed contract to sell my 4S.
 
Then CDMA is not the network for you. Move on and choose AT&T.

Seriously? You asked TWICE within a half hour for three reasons why you'd need data and voice simultaneously and when I provide an answer, you tell me CDMA networks aren't for me? No s#*t.

:confused:
 
Seriously who talks on the phone? Let alone surf the web and talk? I have two phones on a family share plan with 450 minutes and don't even use half of that.
 
Who cares?

When I'm not in my car, I'm on wifi, if I'm in my car, I don't need to be both on my phone and surfing the web...

In the nearly two years since I switched to Verizion, there has been probably 3 times in which this has been a hinderance...

But... I've had probably 3 dropped calls, as opposed to hundreds of dropped calls from ATT...
 
Your solution is farcical. Bulky plastic phone? Which model are you referring to - the many that are even thinner than the iPhone 5?

Crappy LTE battery life? I don't know - I own an iPhone 4 and Samsung Skyrocket (with LTE) - both on ATT - and both have the same battery life with similar usage.

Posting your nonsense doesn't make it true. It just makes you seem uneducated about the industry.

You are the Android expert. You tell me which is thinner than the iPhone. Galaxy S2? S3? Note? Don't get started on the Moto Droid Razr, thinnest point is 7.1mm, but the thickest is over 10mm. That's like making a plastic protrusion out of a phone and call it thinnest point at 0.1mm. Only a crappy company like Motorola would do crummy claims like that.

Huawei Ascend? Oppo Finder? ZTE Athena? None of them even have LTE.

Phil Schiller should've said the thinnest LTE phone, and longest lasting per volume, along with smallest LTE volumetrically along with lightest LTE. Definately fit all these are true class leading then.

And Battery Life. Again, you are the Android expert you tell me why these people says the giant 2000mAh+ batteries are awsome in their giant plastic phones (some 50% bigger volumetrically, and 50% heavier too)... UNTIL LTE is ON...
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ga...how-battery-life-skyrocket-6.html#post1864976

http://mobilesyrup.com/forum/showpost.php?p=82546&postcount=5

Not trying to be an Apple fanboy here. I have hopped cell phone brands a few times (Ericsson fan when they had the first color screen, Nokia for a little bit with their N series, and then to Apple). Until someone throw an 'iPhone moment' to the cell industry, stop saying which phone is millenia better than the other. Let alone calling giant plastic phones cutting edge.

I totally agree with Phil Schiller, it's easy to make a phone bigger, who doesn't know how to do that? It's much more difficult to make it smaller, but not only maintaining, but improving on the feature set.
 
You could not be more wrong, there is no way Apple would let verizion dictate to them to put a third antenna in the phone. Face it, cdma is old tech, wait a couple of years and you will be able to do both on verizion.

:apple:

Not necessarily. The Sprint/Verizon model is a separate SKU. It is essentially the European iPhone with a CDMA radio. Apple's design does have some advantages for Verizon, which is 45%-owned by Vodafone.

Unlike the Galaxy S3 or any of Verizon's other phones, the iPhone's design enables Verizon Wireless customers to roam on LTE networks in Europe, which AT&T's version does not. Perhaps Apple gave Verizon a choice between adding the CDMA radio to the AT&T version along with a third antenna (and missing out on the European LTE roaming) or adding the European roaming capabilities. I don't know since I wasn't in the room when Apple and Verizon struck their deal. However, Verizon has been trying for years to improve roaming capabilities with their minority partner. Now the technology is there to make it happen.
 
It's pretty big - at least as big as a "silver dollar" pancake. The LTE and the bigger screen necessitated the bigger battery. Remember that the S3 uses an older LTE chip (like the new iPad). It uses up more battery since it's a 45nm design vs. a 32nm design. It's just like how the 2012 MacBook Air gets better actual battery life than the 2011 even though both have the same battery and screen.

I don't disagree that making most of the room inside makes sense. However, it was Samsung's decision to make a phone that big, and Apple's to make a phone that's much smaller.

When multimedia and web browsing and all that other stuff smartphones do these days a bigger screen is very welcome. Of course it is an adjustment at first especially when you came from a 3.5" screen like I did with the iPhone 4. But after awhile you go back to an iPhone sized screen and you wondered how you ever got by using a device with a screen so small.

I will say that the outgoing iPod Nano had the PERFECT size per function of any device I have ever used. Too bad they got all rectangular again.
 
What a kick in the nuts Apple. Just when we thought the playing field was even between ATT and Verizon hardware, here comes this. This is a huge deal.
 
I'm likely going to stick with the "Death Star" for now, though I'm eying T-Mobile once they get LTE over AWS. I'm off contract and am hoping they make the no-commitment version available from AT&T. I can unlock it later, but I want to get the phone as quickly as possible as I have a signed contract to sell my 4S.

Wow, i didnt even think of that. I'll definitely be looking into that. I'm wondering whether i should switch now by buying an AT&t phone at full price and unlocking it. I know T-mobile is expanding their HSPA+ network which is basically 3G, but i dont mind having 3G until T-mobile eventually implements AWS.
 
No need for Rev B, svdo works fine on the current network. That was the good thing about the spec when it came out. It's just up to the handset makers to implement it. Apple chose not to, it's their phone to build.

That said, I'm disappointed. I have great verizon coverage and no ATT coverage at home or work.

I think SVDO requires two radios, while Rev B and EVDV would allow a single radio to handle both, just like 3GSM. As I pointed out above, Apple's design does have some benefits to Verizon (they can support LTE roaming on Vodafone in Europe), so perhaps they didn't care if

The carriers aren't powerless. They choose to buy the phones. Sure, Apple has sway (the 4S was the last non-LTE smartphone allowed on VZW's network), but carriers have gotten Apple to make some design changes. If it were up to Apple, phones wouldn't have SIM cards at all and would use electronic SIMs to enable customers to choose their network after buying the phone (and give Apple that much more room to work with - perhaps to put in an NFC antenna or a third antenna to enable SVDO or a bigger battery). The carriers pushed back, and so Apple chose to lobby for the nano-SIM instead.
 
Who cares?

When I'm not in my car, I'm on wifi, if I'm in my car, I don't need to be both on my phone and surfing the web...

In the nearly two years since I switched to Verizion, there has been probably 3 times in which this has been a hinderance...

But... I've had probably 3 dropped calls, as opposed to hundreds of dropped calls from ATT...

That's kind of my thinking.

I used to think it was an advantage [simultaneous voice/data] and one reason I stuck with AT&T, but I can't even recall the last time I used used it. My signal at the World HQ here in Vilano is at best so-so and at worst nonexistent. My BILs Verizon voice was outstanding (and a neighbor on V said the same thing).

Hmm...
 
Seriously who talks on the phone? Let alone surf the web and talk? I have two phones on a family share plan with 450 minutes and don't even use half of that.

I do, when you're stuck on a boring conference call, it's nice to be able to listen in and browse the web simultaneously. Also for those long hold times when calling in somewhere for whatever reason. I used this feature just today when on hold :D
 
Wow, i didnt even think of that. I'll definitely be looking into that. I'm wondering whether i should switch now by buying an AT&t phone at full price and unlocking it. I know T-mobile is expanding their HSPA+ network which is basically 3G, but i dont mind having 3G until T-mobile eventually implements AWS.

Rumor has it that NYC is one of the areas where T-Mobile has refarmed their 3G "4G" network to 1900MHz, but I haven't been able to confirm that since I canceled my T-Mobile prepaid account a while ago. The downside is that in the meantime, unless you are in a 1900MHz zone, not only do you not get LTE, you don't even get 3G but have to settle for EDGE (and also don't get simultaneous data and voice).
 
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