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This is a joke right? In other rich countries they've torn down their crappy CDMA networks and replaced it with some proper infrastructure. And they've done it fairly cheaply and quickly.

For Apple to make a device to serve outdated networks belies the fact that they are comfortable dropping legacy technology and dealing with the fact that it won't please all people all of the time.
 
So back in 2007 Verizon hired a secret agency (because this agency is not listed as any of the agencies involved in Verizon's massive advertising reconsolidation in 2007), to make in store brouchures and local media ads for a single product? Seriously...

No offense, but I know quite a bit about advertising and this is not how it would ever work.

By the way for anyone curious, just bring up their website. Is that a company who you would pay money to work on your advertising of anything?

Image is everything and the front page of their website looks bad. This was likely a story leaked by someone in this unknown ad agencies PR department to build up publicity for them.

Who said anything about 2007 or a "secret" agency? We are talking here and now. And yes, Marketing depts. and outside agencies make brochures for a single product ALL the time. They also work on image and branding and work on integrating new products into their existing lines so they can be positioned properly.
 
While I would love for the iPhone to come to Verizon because I might want to switch to an iPhone at some point, I'm not sweating it cause I've got a Droid that rocks for everything that I need (for now).
 
For Apple to make a device to serve outdated networks belies the fact that they are comfortable dropping legacy technology and dealing with the fact that it won't please all people all of the time.

Apple will gladly sell you outdated technology at a nice profit. They do it all the time. Think of it in terms of the almighty dollar - is it worth it for Apple to make a Verizon iPhone? Most definitely. They need to expand to other networks in the US to effectively grow their market share (and market dominance).
 
This is a joke right? In other rich countries they've torn down their crappy CDMA networks and replaced it with some proper infrastructure. And they've done it fairly cheaply and quickly.

For Apple to make a device to serve outdated networks belies the fact that they are comfortable dropping legacy technology and dealing with the fact that it won't please all people all of the time.

There are no major functional differences between CDMA and GSM. They can all offer the same features. Whoever told you different is feeding you a line of biased bull crap.
 
Yay, another US wireless carrier's network to get bogged down because of iphone data.

The "Iphone data" traffic problem is an urban legend.

Both Verizon and Sprint each already carry more 3G traffic than AT&T.


Verizon Wireless, Sprint Carry More Data Traffic than AT&TTara Seals
04/12/2010

AT&T Inc. has become, by its own talking points, the poster child for the mobile data explosion. But guess what? Both Verizon Wireless and Sprint-Nextel Corp. carried more data traffic in 2009.

...more at http://www.billingworld.com/news/briefs/verizon-wireless-sprint-data-traffic-att.html

The argument that "the Iphone is so popular ...." arguments aren't supported by the facts.
 
well i think originaly one deciding factor with the first iphone going to verizon was the way they were going to sell music vcast or itunes. so i wonder if it does go to verizon how that will work out. And as for me i think if we dont see the verizon iphone at wwdc then we will have to wait for the next iphone, remember the whole wide world is focused on one thing MONEY so the manufacturinbg of a new handset might just makle it more pricer to verizon costomers but if the sevrice is lower verizon will see many converts.
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No, not going to happen, there's no chance...

AT&T has a 5 year deal, and it will not be broken. The iPhone deal has brought so many new customers to AT&T, and their CEO would never let it be broken... the last thing that would ever cross his mind. I'm sure he has spent a lot of time laughing at Verizon for not accepting the deal in 2007.

The iPad is AT&T only... Apple would not have two carriers for the iPhone, but only one for the iPad.

Statistics show that AT&T's network is faster than Verizon's. Why would they manufacture an iPhone specifically for a slower netwoork?
 
Really? You still think AT&T is grabbing customers from other carriers just to get an iPhone? Most everyone that wants one and is willing to jump to AT&T for it have already done so. They have had three years. Their contracts with their carriers have already expired. They might have even renewed and gotten another phone. Quite possibly, an Android.

And if AT&T's iPhones sales aren't growing, and if they aren't still grabbing a ton of new customers from other carriers, then there's only one term to describe that.....flattening. Will they see a bump with the new version this summer? Sure. But it's doubtful that many customers have been sitting around on other carriers all this time waiting for a front facing camera and a higher resolution screen. Or a different look. So, for the most part AT&T will be selling these phones to existing customers upgrading. There's nothing wrong with that. And it's a good way to make money. But, that's not growing your market share either.

Which in this case may be a good thing. AT&T probably can't handle even MORE customers! They've had enough trouble as it is! :D

Someone else pointed out this is incorrect.

Anecdotally, I will note a good friend of mine switched. I remember when the iPhone came out, last time I knew he had AT&T. I had moved to AT&T from Verizon a couple of years or so before the iPhone came out because Verizon did not have coverage around my house. Anyways, I thought he might consider getting one at the time, but then I found out he had switched to Verizon because of signal problems with AT&T. He lives in a different part of the country from me.

Come to find out two weeks ago he now has a couple of iPhones and having no problems. So people are still switching. Think about all the iPad publicity, that was a huge amount of free publicity for the iPhone as well.

There are some negatives to being on more carriers. It changes the prestige of the product. It makes it a commidity it to an extent. Also I suspect one of the biggest stumbling blocks is that Apple is probably very specific how the phones are sold and for how much. So they would never let there be a price war between Verizon and AT&T using the iPhone and devaluing its value.

There is no doubt that with the iPhone on both carriers, one or both of them would love nothing more than to give away iPhones to get subs from the other. In fact I suspect AT&T would love nothing more than to give away free iPhones just to gain marketshare, and I suspect their contract with Apple forbids that. Same would be for Verizon.

I have stated this before but Verizon does not seem to do well when negotiating with Apple. They are used to bulldozing the handset providers and dictating the terms. With Apple it is the opposite, and I suspect Verizon has been less than gracious in managing it. Kudos to whomever at AT&T was able to negotiate the deal with Apple because clearly it was not easy.

I do believe Apple will exact its pound of flesh from Verizon going forward for past perceived transgressions.

Just think about it though. Imagine if AT&T offered Free top of the line 3gs iphones tomorrow, with 2 year service contract. They would be overloaded with new customers.

this is funny...Verizon users who want the iPhone soooo bad lol

I don't blame them, to be fair. I was on AT&T before the iPhone. If the iPhone went to Verizon instead of AT&T I would be feeling the exact same way now. I like to poke fun at the people dying for the iPhone on Verizon, but to be fair, it could have easily have been me as I would not be able to use an iPhone on Verizon.
 
You couldn't use your phone and transmit data at the same time with the first iPhone either.

Very true, yet at the same time for a 4th Gen IPhone to launch lacking this capability is akin to AT&T not having MMS for such a long time. Granted not one in the same, but it would have people up in arms about how "archaic" the Verizon version of the IPhone is.

I for one could care less whether Verizon gets the phone or not, but how does exclusivity work on other phones. For example, for the HTC Incredible is there an exclusivity with Virizon for a certain period of time, or does it not matter since a new version of that phone will come out in 6 months anyway. I have never really been all that clear about that.
 
I wonder how many droid lovers would get boners if the iPhone went to Verizon.

I wonder how many MacRumours patrons who use the word "boner" referring to a phone have ever been in a serious relationship.

And I wonder if the reason that they've never connected with someone special is somehow due to the fact that they put "boner" and "phone" in the same sentence.


3.You want simultaneous voice and data but your pride won't let you admit it

Actually quite the opposite. I've had Verizon 3G smartphones for years before I heard the "simultaneous data and voice" rant - and didn't realize that I didn't have it until I read it here on MacRumours.

When I'm speaking into my phone, I can't surf the screen. If I need to look something up, I'll have the courtesy to tell my caller that I'll call back as soon as I find the info - rather than expecting her to sit and wait while I type.

A phone first and foremost should be a good phone, and in the San Francisco area no AT&T phone is a "good" phone.
 
The "Iphone data" traffic problem is an urban legend.
I can probably agree with this.

Both Verizon and Sprint each already carry more 3G traffic than AT&T.
Well, by having more total Android and Blackberry phones on their networks, I can agree with that; though I've read that their speeds are significantly slower.

The argument that "the Iphone is so popular ...." arguments aren't supported by the facts.

The facts are that the iPhone is extremely popular, and a recent opinion poll clearly showed that 40% of Verizon's users want the iPhone to come to Verizon. Were the iPhone on more networks than just AT&T, the facts would fully support the popularity argument. In other words, the iPhone IS that popular, but AT&T isn't.

The primary reason Blackberry has retained it's advantage and Android has moved so quickly is that most of these devices are selling for more than $100 less than the iPhone and many of them, especially Blackberries, are selling as low as 2-for-1 at only $29. Quite honestly, the price is driving sales far more than desire when it comes to these devices.
 
You guys remember that time when Verizon originally bumped off the iPhone? Ah good times, good times...
 
Someone else pointed out this is incorrect.

There are some negatives to being on more carriers. It changes the prestige of the product. It makes it a commidity it to an extent.

And yet, Apple does this very thing in other countries. There is a pattern here. Start on one carrier, expand to others as time progresses. Why do people think that won't be the same case here? I don't get it.
 
This is a joke right? In other rich countries they've torn down their crappy CDMA networks and replaced it with some proper infrastructure. And they've done it fairly cheaply and quickly.

For Apple to make a device to serve outdated networks belies the fact that they are comfortable dropping legacy technology and dealing with the fact that it won't please all people all of the time.

Please read up on CDMA technology before making such statements. Why are people so butt hurt? Is it because they don't want to pay an ETF to switch? Not quite sure why some of you have such at attachment to att. iPhone and att are two separate entities, stop treating them as a pair.
 
Very true, yet at the same time for a 4th Gen IPhone to launch lacking this capability is akin to AT&T not having MMS for such a long time. Granted not one in the same, but it would have people up in arms about how "archaic" the Verizon version of the IPhone is.

Unless you take into consideration the rumor about the iPhone being Verizons LTE launch phone. Then it isn't so archaic anymore. Assuming all of this is true of course. Fact is these rumors are not as easily dispelled as some claim.
 
No, not going to happen, there's no chance...

AT&T has a 5 year deal, and it will not be broken.
The iPad is AT&T only... Apple would not have two carriers for the iPhone, but only one for the iPad.

Statistics show that AT&T's network is faster than Verizon's. Why would they manufacture an iPhone specifically for a slower netwoork?

Why are you so sure that deal has not been modified since it's inception? Companies do that all the time. Why are you so sure that the iPad deal itself isn't part of that change. It very well could be.

You scratch my back, I scratch yours. AT&T got the iPad, Apple gets to sell phones on other carriers sooner. It's not out of the realm of possibility. In fact, it's quite plausible.

As for why they would make a phone for a "slower" (debatable) network....um...how many subscribers does Verizon have? Yeah. There's your answer.
 
Why are you so sure that deal has not been modified since it's inception? Companies do that all the time. Why are you so sure that the iPad deal itself isn't part of that change. It very well could be.

To add to that. Remember when the 3G came out? The previous phone was unsubsidized but you still had to get a contract. The supposed agreement was Apple was getting a cut of the monthly fee. Jump to the 3G and now it is subsidized and the supposed agreement was Apple no longer gets a cut of the monthly fee, just the money from sales of the iPhone. How do we know that this change did not come from a contract renegotiation? As far as we know the number of years exclusivity could have been decreased or even increased at that point.
 
Apple will gladly sell you outdated technology at a nice profit. They do it all the time. Think of it in terms of the almighty dollar - is it worth it for Apple to make a Verizon iPhone? Most definitely. They need to expand to other networks in the US to effectively grow their market share (and market dominance).

Fair call on the first point. As to the second, my sense is that their demand expansion could be served in a bunch of other markets just as effectively. I think on one of their earnings calls they even said every time they add another country to what they started with sales grow exponentially. Household income (and therefore mobile consumption) is consistently growing much faster in many parts of Asia than in the US, and that's how they more effectively link their balance sheet to that exponential growth.
 
And yet, Apple does this very thing in other countries. There is a pattern here. Start on one carrier, expand to others as time progresses. Why do people think that won't be the same case here? I don't get it.

let me help you get it...iphone is on multiple carriers overseas because all those carriers use GSM...and the Carriers like China Mobile don't have iphone because they utilize CDMA...if Verizon was a GSM carrier I'm sure they'd have iPhone by now...got it?
 
Found this commercial (it may be a spoof) on youtube about the iphone on Verizon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMAgtW8PFE4

Lets hope it happens. As a former iphone user (had to cancel cause I needed a phone that can make and receive calls with confidence of not dropping them) I miss the functionality of it. Got an itouch now, but hate having to carry around two gadgets. I'm back with Verizon and will stay with them. If they get the iphone 4G I'll sign a lifetime contract.
 
Please read up on CDMA technology before making such statements. Why are people so butt hurt? Is it because they don't want to pay an ETF to switch? Not quite sure why some of you have such at attachment to att. iPhone and att are two separate entities, stop treating them as a pair.


only folks hurting are Verizon subscribers that want iPhone...and most people that have an iPhone on AT&T don't need to switch because they're fine with the network....and until 2012 at least, Apple and AT&T are a pair, just like two horses in a harness
 
I am a garbage man in San Francisco, and I have to retract some of my earlier comments.

I was on an alternate route today and happened to pick up Landor's dumpster.

I found some marketing mock ups that included the name "VeriPhonezon".

So clearly Verizon is trying to work on branding the iPhone as their own.

No word on if Steve Jobs has agreed to it, but one of the mock ups does have the initials "SJ" scribbled in the lower right hand corner.
 
The Wall Street Journal has also said that verizon iPhone is coming this year:
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/03/29/verizon-iphone-in-the-works/

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CNN.com is reporting today that the contract between AT&T and Apple is indeed 5 years: http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/11/iphone.att.2012.mashable/index.html?hpt=Sbin

Of course, there's plenty of caveats in the article about legal wrangling to end it earlier. So, all this tells us really is that the original contract was a five year exclusive.
 
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