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Verizon iPhone Launches with Mobile Hotspot and Redesigned Antenna
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AT&T's HSDPA network allows users to browse the Web or load up applications via its 3G network while on a call, but Verizon's CDMA network does not. That also means that the 3G Wi-Fi hotspot feature would be disabled when a call comes in on the new iPhone. ~ AppleInsider
It's new on the scene, but this CDMA iPhone is currently old school to me. I think it's not revolutionary nor magical to not be able to multi-task with data while on a call. The iPhone 4 just went back to the future.
I'm surprisedallowed this, but money talks and I guess Verizon CDMA complaints can .....!
Tell that to Apple's shareholders ;-) More iphones on the market are always a good thing. Attracts more developers etc.
I just checked nextworth's trade in on the iPhone 4, I can get $380 for mine, way more then the contract fee....
Both of you are a bit off.
CDMA by design doesn't support simultaneous data/voice.
HSPA+ will be automatic when AT&T lights it up at the end of March.
These are network design and backhaul issues, not phone limitations.
I never got that right, is the A-GPS supposed to be better than a normal GPS?
Assisted GPS does use data (cellular tower triangulation and/or wifi triangulation) when it is available.
If there is no data, it will rely on the GPS signal only, which is slower.
Trust me, I use Navfree in my car on my iPad 3G (no cellular data plan) and there is no data when I'm driving around.
That's the point. He's saying tomorrow postings will decline. Not today as we're posting like mad men.
I was wondering the same thing. So if i'm surfing the 'net or listening to Pandora or Rhapsody or checking my email or tethering and a call comes in they just go straight to voice mail, which you won't even know about until you stop any data apps? Same with text messages? Or if I'm on a call I can't do any of those things either?
Wow! I hear some people here saying that it's not a big deal to lose simultaneous voice/data, but I would go nuts if I had to deal with that. I listen to Rhapsody while driving and a call comes in now and it just goes quiet and I take the call and then it resumes automatically when the call ends. If I was on Verizon then the call would go straight to voice mail with no notification. I would need to keep stopping Rhapsody and check periodically to make sure nobody was trying to get ahold of me.
The more I think about all of the possible scenarios, I can't even imagine dealing with the limitations. I would have to be in an area with non-existant AT&T service and want an iPhone AWFUL bad to be willing to do that.
I don't think that a lot of people are really thinking through all of the times that you'll run into trouble with a Verizon iPhone. You can bet that AT&T wil make a big deal out of this, and they should.
I thought it was obvious you had to have cell coverage to get data. Maybe I wasn't being clear?
Because you need more than an extra antenna, you need another radio. (Which is essentially what the SVDO chip would have done).
My Verizon BlackBerry contract ends in April 2012, so I'm gonna wait til then. Hopefully the 4G LTE VeriPhone will be released shortly thereafter.
You aren't but most iPhone users haven't jailbroken.What am I the only one with a jailbroken iPhone, mywi and an unlimited data plan, come on
I would say the VZ/CDMA will have the new antenna. The GSM will remain the same. Even with Antennagate, I don't see Apple spending the time or money to engineer a new antenna for the "old phone", especially since the iPhone5 should be coming out June/July.
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OK, there seems to be a lot of confusion about how this voice/data thing will work. I'm hardly a definitive expert, but having had a Droid and then a Droid Incredible on VZW over the past year, I thought I'd lend my experiences:
Voice takes precedence over a call. It doesn't matter what you're doing. If I'm browsing the web, streaming music or video, downloading apps, or using data in any other way when I get a phone call, the data connection is dropped and the "incoming call screen" pops up. After I'm finished talking (or ignore the call), the phone automatically reconnects to the 3G network in a few seconds. If the webpage/app wasn't fully downloaded when the call came through, this usually means I have to reload.
No idea what's up with the guy whose friend got data and voice on a boat with no WiFi. Either the guy in the boat was only browsing cached webpages, or he was connected to wifi without realising it, or he was using a VOIP app to make the call, or he was toying around with his buddy. Or he's on T-Mobile and not Verizon. No current CDMA phone supports voice/data at the same time on Verizon.
Regular SMS (through the carrier) does not count as data, so you can still send/receive those during calls. Sending/receiving SMS does not disrupt your data connection in any way. I believe this is because SMS piggybacks over the phone's communications to the tower, so it only uses connections that are constant anyway.
I don't use MMS enough to know how they work, but I have read that a data connection is required to send/receive them. Seriously, though, it's 2010. Just email the pictures already.
Other SMS apps (like Google Voice and all those free texting apps) do count as data, so those will come through when you hang up.
Voicemail notifications do not count as data. If you ignore a call while on another call, you'll still get a voicemail notification. Checking your voicemail counts as voice if you dial in to check it. Not sure how it works with VZW Visual Voicemail.
Push notifications for email, package tracking, sports scores, etc. do count as data, and won't go through during a call. On Android, they all arrive almost immediately after you hang up. I have no idea how iOS's notification system will handle this.
Google Maps/Navigation use both data and GPS, and caches the map data for your entire route when you first start navigating. If you lose the data connection while driving, the GPS chip stays active and the navigation app uses the cached map data. If you stray from the planned route while on a call, it can usually get you back on track without a data connection as long as you didn't miss your exit by ten miles or something.
This means if you have a navigation app with its own map pack (like TomTom), this won't be a problem. Note that these apps are usually around 2 GB due to the size of the map package. If you have a navigation app that's about 3 MB, chances are that it uses the data connection to download map data on the fly.
If you're connected to a WiFi network, none of this applies. You still stay connected to the internet during phone calls. This doesn't help those of you who are salivating over the prospect of replacing your cable modem with tethering, but it should hopefully eliminate this concern for anyone who spends any amount of time around WiFi.
Also note that this has only been my experience with Android; any of this could be different on BB (except for SMS).
Regarding 1X: I almost never see 1X data, and I do a lot of traveling around the Midwest and East Coast. The only time I consistently see 1X for extended periods of time is in the basement of a building built in the 1930s, and nobody (on any carrier) can make or receive calls from there anyway.
No. Phone calls take precedence over data. Your functional experience (Pandora/Rhapsody pauses upon incoming call, resumes upon hangup) would be identical on a CDMA iPhone. Text messages always go through no matter what, unless you're using a third-party texting solution. See my post above.
You might be thinking of T-Mobile, who does exactly what you describe.
Voice takes precedence over a call. It doesn't matter what you're doing. If I'm browsing the web, streaming music or video, downloading apps, or using data in any other way when I get a phone call, the data connection is dropped and the "incoming call screen" pops up. After I'm finished talking (or ignore the call), the phone automatically reconnects to the 3G network in a few seconds. If the webpage/app wasn't fully downloaded when the call came through, this usually means I have to reload.
No idea what's up with the guy whose friend got data and voice on a boat with no WiFi. Either the guy in the boat was only browsing cached webpages, or he was connected to wifi without realising it, or he was using a VOIP app to make the call, or he was toying around with his buddy. Or he's on T-Mobile and not Verizon. No current CDMA phone supports voice/data at the same time on Verizon.
Regular SMS (through the carrier) does not count as data, so you can still send/receive those during calls. Sending/receiving SMS does not disrupt your data connection in any way. I believe this is because SMS piggybacks over the phone's communications to the tower, so it only uses connections that are constant anyway.
I don't use MMS enough to know how they work, but I have read that a data connection is required to send/receive them. Seriously, though, it's 2010. Just email the pictures already.
Other SMS apps (like Google Voice and all those free texting apps) do count as data, so those will come through when you hang up.
Voicemail notifications do not count as data. If you ignore a call while on another call, you'll still get a voicemail notification. Checking your voicemail counts as voice if you dial in to check it. Not sure how it works with VZW Visual Voicemail.
Push notifications for email, package tracking, sports scores, etc. do count as data, and won't go through during a call. On Android, they all arrive almost immediately after you hang up. I have no idea how iOS's notification system will handle this.
Google Maps/Navigation use both data and GPS, and caches the map data for your entire route when you first start navigating. If you lose the data connection while driving, the GPS chip stays active and the navigation app uses the cached map data. If you stray from the planned route while on a call, it can usually get you back on track without a data connection as long as you didn't miss your exit by ten miles or something.
This means if you have a navigation app with its own map pack (like TomTom), this won't be a problem. Note that these apps are usually around 2 GB due to the size of the map package. If you have a navigation app that's about 3 MB, chances are that it uses the data connection to download map data on the fly.
If you're connected to a WiFi network, none of this applies. You still stay connected to the internet during phone calls. This doesn't help those of you who are salivating over the prospect of replacing your cable modem with tethering, but it should hopefully eliminate this concern for anyone who spends any amount of time around WiFi.
Also note that this has only been my experience with Android; any of this could be different on BB (except for SMS).
Regarding 1X: I almost never see 1X data, and I do a lot of traveling around the Midwest and East Coast. The only time I consistently see 1X for extended periods of time is in the basement of a building built in the 1930s, and nobody (on any carrier) can make or receive calls from there anyway.
No. Phone calls take precedence over data. Your functional experience (Pandora/Rhapsody pauses upon incoming call, resumes upon hangup) would be identical on a CDMA iPhone. Text messages always go through no matter what, unless you're using a third-party texting solution. See my post above.
This stopped being true about a year and a half ago. Unlimited data on Verizon is, at least for now, truly unlimited. They may take a close look at individual accounts that use absurd amounts of data (and we're talking like 20GB/mo here), but there is absolutely no automated response to high data usage, and nothing magic about the number 5 GB. None. Zip. Zilcho.
You might be thinking of T-Mobile, who does exactly what you describe.
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Yes, A-GPS is faster than regular GPS. What it does is use cell phone towers (as available) to triangulate an approximate location while it's trying to find the GPS sat and then hands it off to the GPS sat. The end product is that it pinpoints where you are faster.
That number will surely go down when the second-hand market gets flooded with people thinking like you.
AT&T's HSDPA network allows users to browse the Web or load up applications via its 3G network while on a call, but Verizon's CDMA network does not. That also means that the 3G Wi-Fi hotspot feature would be disabled when a call comes in on the new iPhone. ~ AppleInsider
It's new on the scene, but this CDMA iPhone is currently old school to me. I think it's not revolutionary nor magical to not be able to multi-task with data while on a call. The iPhone 4 just went back to the future.
I'm surprised
LOL this is kinda funny, a majority of people never use data while on the phone. Im not sure how this would be taking a step backwards when they just created a long term relationship with the best wireless network in America.
Nah.. I think people will come to complain about how the next iPad doesn't have an iMac 27" screen resolution, and other about the next rumor is about the iPad and not the new MacBook Pro refresh, and how this new 13" have the old i7 when Sandy Bridge is out and doesn't have a DVD drive, and how the....
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louis Fashion posted:
12 Jan 2011 - This just in folks, MacRumors postings decline by 72.38% due to the announcement of the viPhone. Lack of B.S. rumors cited.
Fraaa then posted: It's not even the 12th.
louis responds: Yes. The news of tomorrow posted TODAY!! That's what makes MacRumors the best of all possible sites.