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Verizon Preparation and Demands for iPhone?

sk58781111 said:
So if I switch from ATT in March, and LTE is available in 38 major markets by June, I'm stuck on a 2 year contract with a CDMA-only phone and unable to use LTE until 2013? :confused: .

I just don't get it.
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The same scenerio plays out with buyers on the AT&T network (once they roll out 4g) and also any other customer who buys a phone today and signs a 2 year contract.

This is why I opted for a one year contract when getting my droid x
 
lkrupp said:
You and a lot of others will move and you will experience exactly the same problems you have with at&t. Live with it. It's the truth. This article even speculates the same thing.
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For technical reasons, Verizon cannot have exactly the same problems as ATT.

For one thing, the separation of voice and data means an influx of data users can't cause voice drops as constantly happens with ATT.

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Side note: Verizon just announced that the first LTE capable phones will allow simultaneous voice+data by using a separate CDMA radio for voice.

Apple could count quite a coup if it were the first with such a combination.

(Sounds battery intensive to me, though.)
 
davidwarren said:
I think apple would walk away before giving up any ground on iTunes sales.
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Seriously, that is one of the stupidest things I have heard.

Apple has made about $10 Bn in revenue from selling Music on iTunes in 7 years. They make more than that per quarter from selling the iPhone on ATT.

Its laughable to suggest that Apple would give up the opportunity to sell iPhones to Verizon customers to protect their iTunes sales!

What is far more likely is they will agree to give Verizon a cut of all OTA purchases.

There are many reasons the iPhone may not come to Verizon. Protecting their (minuscule, in the scheme of things) digital profits is not one of them.
 
I would guess it'd be a dual band phone. Also no way it'll launch till June. I mean, why have a big event over adding more carrier support. Or when your going over the specs for the iphone 5 just say "and now it supports CDMA networks"

Apple loooooooves the product cycles (for its major products)
 
maflynn said:
The same scenerio plays out with buyers on the AT&T network (once they roll out 4g) and also any other customer who buys a phone today and signs a 2 year contract.

This is why I opted for a one year contract when getting my droid x
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But with Verizon rolling out several LTE phones by June, only three months will have passed before my spanking new iPhone is technically obsolete as compared with the barrage of LTE Droids. Why would Apple want to be perceived as technically lagging behind Android? And would they refresh to VeriPhone 5 in June at the same time as GSM iPhone 5....... only three months later? Or would the VeriPhone constantly be lagging 9 months behind?
 
maflynn said:
The same scenerio plays out with buyers on the AT&T network (once they roll out 4g) and also any other customer who buys a phone today and signs a 2 year contract.

This is why I opted for a one year contract when getting my droid x
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If you buy today, you are way more than safe waiting for LTE on ATT. No worries.
 
MacRumors said:
Apple Inc. is making a version of its iPhone that Verizon Wireless will sell early next year, according to people familiar with the matter.
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WSJ just do not know when to stop their BS: "people familiar with the matter", right, any dummy could come up with a story like it, it is like #32. The facts in it just does not compute, sorry lie-rrrs.

These type of rumors are designed for only one purpose - to manipulate stock prices. BTW, it is beneficial to both companies even if it is a complete lie. This may be the reason why Apple never call any of this bluff.

BTW, Vz stock sucks vs. ATT just look at the 5 years charts (-60% vs +10%). Vz is desperate for anything to get boost for stock price.
 
maflynn said:
... AT&T does it because they're apple's lap dog. VZW isn't about the sell the farm just to get the iPhone. ...
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AT&T is not Apple's lapdog. AT&T is just giving the consumer what the phone offers. Everything the phone offers - unlike Verizon.

Verizon disables features on phones, taking capabilities away from the customer. The Moto Razr has Bluetooth data transfer and calendar sync, from everyone except Verizon. Verizon rips off the customer, you. They do this because of their greed and arrogance.

Giving the customer all the capabilities of the phone they purchased is "selling the farm"? What a bizarre viewpoint!

Verizon's not hurting Apple or Motorola, they're only hurting the customer, you. You like that?
 
maflynn said:
Interesting news. With morbid fascination, I'm following this story.

I jumped from AT&T to verizon last year (Nexus -> Droidx)
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Congratulations! Let's hope that Verizon's network is up to the demand if a whole bunch of iPhone users jump AT&T and current non-smartphone Verizon users buy the iPhone and increase the demand for data and cause Verizon system slowdowns and traffic jams and present the same problems SOME with AT&T are experiencing.

AT&T does it because they're apple's lap dog.
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AT&T did it because they had no eye catching product to differentiate them from the other carriers.

VZW isn't about the sell the farm just to get the iPhone.
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I bet Verizon wished they had though!

AT&T is giving apple a ton of concessions, I don't think VZW has been that willing. Plus apple like the control and they have that with at&t. They'll likely give up some of that control when going with them
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Verizon wouldn't make concessions, really?! NBC wanted to do things their way regarding the pricing of their shows on iTunes and when the contract ended, Apple PULLED the shows with no hesitation and patiently waiting for NBC to come around. Wonder what happened there?...

Apple's new AppleTV with the .99¢ rentals that some networks are balking, if that could have been solved by meeting the demand of the various tv networks then Apple could have complied and Steve could have introduced the new AppleTV with a Big Bang and instead of just ABC/Disney and Fox, he could have said NBC, CBS, et el.

But he didn't, did he...

Apple knows what Apple wants and will wait for it... :apple:
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Carniphage said:
Dear Carriers,

Here's the truth.

We don't like you. And to be honest, we never really did. If the market worked like it was supposed to, we'd dump you and go to someone better.

All we want you to do is connect calls and move bits. That is all.
And please do to do that cheaply. We don't want or need anything else.

No value-added music services. No add-on charges for tethering. Please don't tell us which handsets to use, or try to put your dumb logo on my phone or in my software. It's lame. It's embarrassing.

Please wake up and realise the world has changed. And behaving like a88holes is not going make the world change back to how it was before.

love

your users

xxxx

C.
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While you are correct, here in the US we have this thing called Wall Street (you might of heard of them, they have been in the news of late) Here, they run our companies and frankly they do not care what you want.
So these things you suggest, while they make much sense, the answer is no. They have asked us to give you this message: Go sign up and make us more money. If not we'll crash your networks , just like we crashed your, well everything else.
 
I would love to be in these talks

VZW: We must have _______ preinstalled on the iPhone
Steve: NO
VZW: but but
Steve: No
VZW: then no iPhone on our network
Steve: Bye
 
Full of Win said:
Hmmmm.... I wonder if it will say "Verizon" on it with big red letters?
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Why would it?

The same question was asked when the iPhone went to Orange & Vodafone in the UK. Both networks were notorious for the use of prominent branding on their phones and bastardising the operating systems.

Their iPhones are identical to ones on the other networks. Verizon will follow suit.
 
spazzcat said:
I would love to be in these talks

VWZ: We must have _______ preinstalled on the iPhone
Steve: NO
VWZ: but but
Steve: No
VWZ: then no iPhone on our network
Steve: Bye
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:D

six months later....

Ivan: Android is catching up! Just put our logo on the iPhone and we have a deal.

Steve: click.
 
spazzcat said:
I would love to be in these talks

VZW: We must have _______ preinstalled on the iPhone
Steve: NO
VZW: but but
Steve: No
VZW: then no iPhone on our network
Steve: Bye
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Right as Steve is about to hang up the phone...

VZW: We have 92 million customers, you sure you want to say bye?
 
But wait, there's more!

sk58781111 said:
So if I switch from ATT in March, and LTE is available in 38 major markets by June, I'm stuck on a 2 year contract with a CDMA-only phone and unable to use LTE until 2013? :confused: .

I just don't get it.
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You will also go from 7.2 mbs to 3.0 mbs.
You will also lose the ability to have concurrent voice and data access.
You will also lose the ability to travel internationally with just one phone.
You will also lose access to over 20,000 free wireless hotspots.

Ahh....but Verizon is so much better! :)
 
Rot'nApple said:
Congratulations! Let's hope that Verizon's network is up to the demand if a whole bunch of iPhone users jump AT&T and current non-smartphone Verizon users buy the iPhone and increase the demand for data and cause Verizon system slowdowns and traffic jams and present the same problems SOME with AT&T are experiencing.
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Only time will tell, but I suspect that VZW is better prepared then at&t

I bet Verizon wished they had though!
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Of course they regret rebuffing apple. That was a huge miscalculation on VZW's part.

Verizon wouldn't make concessions, really?! NBC wanted to do things their way regarding the pricing of their shows on iTunes and when the contract ended, Apple PULLED the shows with no hesitation and patiently waiting for NBC to come around. Wonder what happened there?...
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Not to the extent that at&t did. AT&T needs apple, Verizon, does not need apple.

Apple's new AppleTV with the .99¢ rentals that some networks are balking, if that could have been solved by meeting the demand of the various tv networks then Apple could have complied and Steve could have introduced the new AppleTV with a Big Bang and instead of just ABC/Disney and Fox, he could have said NBC, CBS, et el.

But he didn't, did he...

Apple knows what Apple wants and will wait for it... :apple:
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The problem there is that apple will be waiting a long time because networks are not willing to budge. Again, networks don't need apple, but apple needs the network's content. Apple will be the one needing to make concessions.
 
OllyW said:
Why would it?

The same question was asked when the iPhone went to Orange & Vodafone in the UK. Both networks were notorious for the use of prominent branding on their phones and bastardising the operating systems.

Their iPhones are identical to ones on the other networks. Verizon will follow suit.
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I agree on this one. Verizon and Vodafone are sister companies aren't they? What's the big deal, Verizon will more than likely get new customers from a percentage of AT&T owners who will make the switch. With a tiered data plan, that means more money in their pockets. It's the check in the bank and not a red check on a phone that counts.
 
utdbear0812 said:
Right as Steve is about to hang up the phone...

VZW: We have 92 million customers, you sure you want to say bye?
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Apple's focus has never been on market share. They could easly have more market share in the desktop area. Apple wants what it wants and they get it or they take their ball and go home.
 
cubist said:
AT&T is not Apple's lapdog. AT&T is just giving the consumer what the phone offers. Everything the phone offers - unlike Verizon.

Verizon disables features on phones, taking capabilities away from the customer. The Moto Razr has Bluetooth data transfer and calendar sync, from everyone except Verizon. Verizon rips off the customer, you. They do this because of their greed and arrogance.

Giving the customer all the capabilities of the phone they purchased is "selling the farm"? What a bizarre viewpoint!

Verizon's not hurting Apple or Motorola, they're only hurting the customer, you. You like that?
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Do you know how old and tired this argument is? Verizon hasn't done any thing remotely like this for a couple of years now. At least no further than the other carriers do anymore. The RAZR came out YEARS ago yet you're using it in this argument? I assume you haven't used Verizon at all, or at least not recently.

I have both an iPhone 4 (for work) and a Droid Incredible from Verizon, the Droid consistently gets better signal and has fewer connectivity problems than the iPhone, and it has little, to no, restriction on what I can do with it. The iPhone on the other hand has signal issues, dropped calls, and I am locked into installing whatever Apple feels I should be allowed to install (yeah I know I could jailbreak it, but it's a work phone). The iPhone is definitely a "sexier" phone, but overall, I enjoy the experience of the Incredible that much more. Not to say I wouldn't jump on an iPhone if it were on Verizon to use for work, I think it'd be a much better experience.

Also, the argument some people use about the fact that you can't be on the phone and look up crap on the internet at the same time. How often would that really be a problem for you? I've not once had to do any such thing, so that really becomes a non-issue for me.
 
Same rumor every few months.

If it's true, Verizon would try to force VzW logo and bing all over the iPhone.
 
spazzcat said:
Apple's focus has never been on market share. They could easly have more market share in the desktop area. Apple wants what it wants and they get it or they take their ball and go home.
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You smokin' something good? There's no way you could argue that Apple wouldn't want more market share for the iPhone, it's a money making machine. If they could put it on all the carriers you'd bet your ass they would. It would make them BILLIONS of dollars.

The reason they don't care about market share in the PC arena is simply because the possibility of making tons and tons more money simply doesn't exist. Smartphones sell at a much higher rate and there is a much bigger market for them. It's infinitely easier for them to sell a $200 iPhone than a $2500 computer.
 
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