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You smokin' something good? There's no way you could argue that Apple wouldn't want more market share for the iPhone, it's a money making machine. If they could put it on all the carriers you'd bet your ass they would. It would make them BILLIONS of dollars.

The reason they don't care about market share in the PC arena is simply because the possibility of making tons and tons more money simply doesn't exist. Smartphones sell at a much higher rate and there is a much bigger market for them. It's infinitely easier for them to sell a $200 iPhone than a $2500 computer.

I bet you $10 if the iPhone comes to VZW, it will not have any of their apps preinstalled or a VZW logo on the phone.
 
You will also go from 7.2 mbs to 3.0 mbs.
You will also lose the ability to have concurrent voice and data access.
You will also lose the ability to travel internationally with just one phone.
You will also lose access to over 20,000 free wireless hotspots.

Ahh....but Verizon is so much better! :)

Although, in my area, you would be able to make a call because you can get a signal.

Networks have good areas and bad. Why buy an iphone if you don't have coverage?

And voice and data at the same time, on CDMA, is a limitation of the handset, not the network.
 
While you are correct, here in the US we have this thing called Wall Street (you might of heard of them, they have been in the news of late) Here, they run our companies and frankly they do not care what you want.
So these things you suggest, while they make much sense, the answer is no. They have asked us to give you this message: Go sign up and make us more money. If not we'll crash your networks , just like we crashed your, well everything else.

Fortunately in the UK we have something called "competition". It's far from perfect, but I am starting to get the impression that this message is slowly sinking in.

C.
 
You smokin' something good? There's no way you could argue that Apple wouldn't want more market share for the iPhone, it's a money making machine. If they could put it on all the carriers you'd bet your ass they would. It would make them BILLIONS of dollars.

The reason they don't care about market share in the PC arena is simply because the possibility of making tons and tons more money simply doesn't exist. Smartphones sell at a much higher rate and there is a much bigger market for them. It's infinitely easier for them to sell a $200 iPhone than a $2500 computer.

+1

Wireless is a new dimension and Apple does not want to make the same mistakes it did in the 90's with the desktop. Plus, Jobs has a big ego and he wants to keep Apple's market cap well above Microsoft, Google et al.
 
I bet you $10 if the iPhone comes to VZW, it will not have any of their apps preinstalled or a VZW logo on the phone.

Wouldn't argue that. I'd agree simply because that's how it is across the board at all other carriers.

But Apple would be stupid to just walk away if that was something that Verizon wanted. I can't see them saying "No, we won't let you put one app on the phone." The logo, yeah definitely less likely.

Apple would be dumb NOT to go to Verizon and sell their phone, it would likely increase iPhone revenue by at least half, if not double it.
 
People always use this argument. My argument is, how often would this REALLY affect you?

I've never used it once, when I had an iPhone and my wife has used it only once. Beside with LTE, you'll actually have it, if you really want it.
 
Um. Simultaneous voice and data. Verizon.

There are several solutions that would address this:

SVDO/VoRA
LTE/EvDO

There's no reason a VZW iPhone couldn't be made to operate exactly like their GSM counterparts...
 
People always use this argument. My argument is, how often would this REALLY affect you?

All the time. For my business, I use Cisco's Webex (one of many Apps that require concurrent voice/data). I join a conference bridge and at the same time, present DOCs/PPTs/XLSs to my customers. Amazing tool.
 
Maybe if everyone jumps ship to Verizon, AT&T users will finally have decent signal more of the time. I'm NYC btw.

Not jumping to Verizon for CDMA I think.
 
Well maybe there will be a Verizon iphone in 2012?

I doubt it though. It sounds like the issues are beyond technological. They are corporate business issues.
 
All the time. For my business, I use Cisco's Webex (one of many Apps that require concurrent voice/data). I join a conference bridge and at the same time, present DOCs/PPTs/XLSs to my customers. Amazing tool.

Then for you, valid argument. I just don't think it's as big of a deal for the masses of iPhone users, but it's always used as the one major sticking point for people.
 
I posted this in the other thread as well but just to get some comments on this I wanted to put it here as well, for anyone continuing to doubt that a non-ATT iPhone is certainly coming, and sooner rater than later:


What is really different about this round is the moves AT&T made to secure 2-year contracts with all thier iphone users when the iPhone 4 was released.

This and this ALONE IMO proves without a doubt that you will see a non-ATT iPhone within the next 6-9 months.

ATT offered accelerated subsidized iphones for everyone with increased fees for early termination.

I mean to me it's right there screaming at you. If there wasn't going to be a non-ATT iPhone, exactly what motivation is there for ATT to forfeit that revenue?
 
I don't think that Apple would let verizon have much control, at most they will let verizon have their own V CAST app that would be an optional install for users.

This, most likely.

I mean, compare iTunes/App Store to V CAST. If any of you have an experience with V CAST then you know that it just doesn't compare. I hate the thing.
 
I wish they'd just hurry up and release the white one.

I wish USA Telco's would move on. V should move to new technology, AT&T should start making their customers happy and their service better.
 
I hope it happens so my work phone becomes an iPhone, but I won't move my personal iPhone as here in KC we have pretty damn nice ATT service. I work in a large metal/concrete building and while only showing 3 bars I still pull data speeds near 3mb down while my buddy is hating his Evo with no bars/1 bar and maybe 450kb down.

The sad part is our current dumb phones for work have horrible reception and service on VZW here. Not sure if a new iPhone would help or not but at least it would be usable when out of the office.
 
Wouldn't argue that. I'd agree simply because that's how it is across the board at all other carriers.

But Apple would be stupid to just walk away if that was something that Verizon wanted. I can't see them saying "No, we won't let you put one app on the phone." The logo, yeah definitely less likely.

Apple would be dumb NOT to go to Verizon and sell their phone, it would likely increase iPhone revenue by at least half, if not double it.

If they were that worried about selling phones on VZW, they would have not renewed their first contract with ATT and would be selling them on all the networks in the US already.
 
So if I switch from ATT in March, and LTE is available in 38 major markets by June, I'm stuck on a 2 year contract with a CDMA-only phone and unable to use LTE until 2013? :confused: .

I just don't get it.

A lot of times you are eligible for hardware updates early, and some places will help you out with that depending on your standings, or how nice they feel that day. You just extend your contract when you get a new phone.
 
If they were that worried about selling phones on VZW, they would have not renewed their first contract with ATT and would be selling them on all the networks in the US already.

Do you know how different the technology is between CDMA and GSM? It's not, hey let's plug this other chip in and TA-DA it works!

Sprint and T-Mobile are ***** stains quite simply, Verizon is the beast that Apple would love to sink it's teeth into.
 
People always use this argument. My argument is, how often would this REALLY affect you?

Honestly, I don't think there is a day that goes by that I don't use that feature. In fact, lots of my friends call me when they are on the road to look things up while I am still on the phone for them. Also when I am tethering I wouldn't want to be interrupted when a call comes in and lose my Internet connection. That would be like dialup in the 80's and 90's.
 
Honestly, I don't think there is a day that goes by that I don't use that feature. In fact, lots of my friends call me when they are on the road to look things up while I am still on the phone for them. Also when I am tethering I wouldn't want to be interrupted when a call comes in and lose my Internet connection. That would be like dialup in the 80's and 90's.

Just an FYI, your internet connection would not be interrupted when a call came in on Verizon, the call just wouldn't come in.
 
Then for you, valid argument. I just don't think it's as big of a deal for the masses of iPhone users, but it's always used as the one major sticking point for people.

For anyone that uses an iPhone for business, it is a very big deal. It will fall under the saying "you don't know what your missing until it's gone". Most people using iPhones probably don't even think about it. They will have a harsh wake up call when they realize talking on the phone while using the data for anything from navigation, looking up info, emailing etc... If you think "multitasking" is a big deal, go try using a smartphone that doesn't allow voice and data at the same time.

I for one never thought twice about it, decided to try put try the Evo before committing to another contract on ATT, lots of great features on the Evo, biggest missing item voice and data bar none. All the bells and whistles in the world won't offset how convenient that feature is.
 
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