Verizon threatening to blacklist my phone

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Rhonindk said:
You do realize your suggestion is coercion and against the law ... ;)
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You sure about that? Screw over a bank sometime and then try to open another account somewhere else anytime in the next seven years. Not every bank uses ChexSystems but the majority do.
 
JT2002TJ said:
On what grounds do they have to make the phone he actually paid for defective? You do realize he actually paid for one of them. The second phone has nothing to do with the phone he paid for.
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lol

Again, what law are you referring to?
 
JT2002TJ said:
So you now what the OP to commit mail fraud? Nice... Again, as I said if you read my second sentence, I doubt Verizon uses USPS to deliver their phones.
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Heh want, you meant want right? I hate autocorrect but I try to take a second to reread my post and catch any mistakes.

You're right, Verizon most likely uses UPS or FedEx and not usps.

I think there are circumstances that changes things though. Like if you got a letter addressed to you and it's in your name, and you opened it and did a RTS...ya, that's shameful. If you opened it to discover another name on that letter...so you should keep it instead of returning it?
 
rainafterthesun said:
Otherwise apple stores themselves won't exchange any items not purchased from their stores (they have different serial for phones they sell as wholeseller to Verizon, Best Buy and the likes).
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I thought apple would replace a phone under the 1 year warranty? I am asking not because of this thread, but I thought they would.
 
webbuzz said:
lol

Again, what law are you referring to?
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Breach of contract (sales contract).
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rainafterthesun said:
Heh want, you meant want right? I hate autocorrect but I try to take a second to reread my post and catch any mistakes.

You're right, Verizon most likely uses UPS or FedEx and not usps.

I think there are circumstances that changes things though. Like if you got a letter addressed to you and it's in your name, and you opened it and did a RTS...ya, that's shameful. If you opened it to discover another name on that letter...so you should keep it instead of returning it?
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See below:

Source:
http://about.usps.com/publications/pub300a/pub300a_tech_021.htm

Unsolicited Merchandise
A company sends you a gift in the mail — a tie, a good luck charm, or a key chain. You didn’t order the gift. What do you do? Many people will feel guilty and pay for the gift. But you don’t have to. What you do with the merchandise is entirely up to you.

  • If you have not opened the package, mark it “Return to Sender.” The Postal Service will send it back at no charge to you.
  • If you open the package and don’t like what you find, throw it away.
  • If you open the package and like what you find, keep it — free. This is a rare instance where “finders, keepers” applies unconditionally.
Whatever you do, don’t pay for it — and don’t get conned if the sender follows up with a phone call or visit. By law, unsolicited merchandise is yours to keep.
 
Thor_1 said:
I thought apple would replace a phone under the 1 year warranty? I am asking not because of this thread, but I thought they would.
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Kinda curious about this Q with the part of my reply you quoted.

But if I was looking at this Q by itself...AppleCare (not plus) one year warranty is default and only covers technical support and is very limited in what they'd replace the phone for (if it's something clearly manufacture and not user). This doesn't cover if the phone is blacklisted but otherwise perfectly functioning.

I'm actually curious myself because if you buy a phone it has to get registered on date of purchase to facilitate this year warranty...how else would apple know when the coverage should begin? I'm curious if OP can go in and see when his coverage for that extra apple phone started...or if it's even recorded as such...
 
Thor_1 said:
I thought apple would replace a phone under the 1 year warranty? I am asking not because of this thread, but I thought they would.
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They will replace a phone purchased from a anywhere under the warranty, but they will not except a return from anywhere. I will say I have had luck with them exchanging something I bought at bestbuy. I bought a MacBook from bestbuy that was defective and they did not have stock for an exchange. The apple store did an exchange as a no receipt return.
 
:rolleyes: That's if the gift wasn't packaged in the same package as the ordered item.

But I'm guessing by this post below you're saying it's not fraud to keep the second phone.


JT2002TJ said:
Breach of contract (sales contract).
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See below:

Source:
http://about.usps.com/publications/pub300a/pub300a_tech_021.htm

Unsolicited Merchandise
A company sends you a gift in the mail — a tie, a good luck charm, or a key chain. You didn’t order the gift. What do you do? Many people will feel guilty and pay for the gift. But you don’t have to. What you do with the merchandise is entirely up to you.

  • If you have not opened the package, mark it “Return to Sender.” The Postal Service will send it back at no charge to you.
  • If you open the package and don’t like what you find, throw it away.
  • If you open the package and like what you find, keep it — free. This is a rare instance where “finders, keepers” applies unconditionally.
Whatever you do, don’t pay for it — and don’t get conned if the sender follows up with a phone call or visit. By law, unsolicited merchandise is yours to keep.
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The fact that you are even considering keeping it DESPITE what the law says is wrong. Ugh, some people really have no grasp of what's right and wrong. Sad.
 
Just throw the phone away. Or sell it, I wouldn't send it back to Verizon- maybe if it was amazon (because Amazon has amazing customer service).
 
I'll bet the OP would be the biggest complainer if he accidentally handed over too much money or product and came out on the losing end of a transaction.
 
JT2002TJ said:
Breach of contract (sales contract).
[doublepost=1476983249][/doublepost]

See below:

Source:
http://about.usps.com/publications/pub300a/pub300a_tech_021.htm

Unsolicited Merchandise
A company sends you a gift in the mail — a tie, a good luck charm, or a key chain. You didn’t order the gift. What do you do? Many people will feel guilty and pay for the gift. But you don’t have to. What you do with the merchandise is entirely up to you.

  • If you have not opened the package, mark it “Return to Sender.” The Postal Service will send it back at no charge to you.
  • If you open the package and don’t like what you find, throw it away.
  • If you open the package and like what you find, keep it — free. This is a rare instance where “finders, keepers” applies unconditionally.
Whatever you do, don’t pay for it — and don’t get conned if the sender follows up with a phone call or visit. By law, unsolicited merchandise is yours to keep.
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He may be entitled to keep the unsolicited merchandise. He is absolutely not entitled to have Verizon make sure that a phone that he didn't pay for works on their system. He is not entitled to any warranty or breach of contract claims on something he never paid for.
 
newellj said:
He may be entitled to keep the unsolicited merchandise. He is absolutely not entitled to have Verizon make sure that a phone that he didn't pay for works on their system. He is not entitled to any warranty or breach of contract claims on something he never paid for.
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Well it's Verizon's fault they sent him two devices .... I have no sympathy for Verizon or any other carrier when all they do is equally rip us all off
 
rainafterthesun said:
:rolleyes: That's if the gift wasn't packaged in the same package as the ordered item.

But I'm guessing by this post below you're saying it's not fraud to keep the second phone.
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You were saying you can use RTS on an opened item. Once an item is opened, the USPS does not accept the item without collecting new delivery costs.

Now, the second part, about keeping the second phone (for others to see), it IS an unsolicited item, the OP is welcome to keep it, throw it away, return it, sell it as a used item (karma reasons I wouldn't do this), and yes Verizon has the right to blacklist said phone.

But Verizon has no right to blacklist the phone the OP paid for, or to suspend/cancel the OP contract. Unless the contract has a clause that specifically states that keeping items sent in error are considered a breach of the contract and grounds for cancellation.
 
newellj said:
He may be entitled to keep the unsolicited merchandise. He is absolutely not entitled to have Verizon make sure that a phone that he didn't pay for works on their system. He is not entitled to any warranty or breach of contract claims on something he never paid for.
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Agreed, but the phone he PAID for can not be blacklisted.
 
If you go through a McDonalds drivethrough and once you pull out...low and behold you have an extra large fry in the bag....would you actually turn around..park and go back in the store to return it?? Probably not because to do so would be a pain in the butt....so if Verizon refuses to make a return as easy as it could possibly be for OP...sit on it until they do.
 
They should get together with Apple and accidentally not send you your iPhone 8 next year after you order it.
 
Closingracer said:
I have no sympathy for Verizon or any other carrier when all they do is equally rip us all off
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You aren't forced to deal with them. You get to choose which carrier you use, or none at all. Therefore, you are not being ripped off.

JPD05 said:
If you go through a McDonalds drivethrough and once you pull out...low and behold you have an extra large fry in the bag....would you actually turn around..park and go back in the store to return it?? Probably not because to do so would be a pain in the butt....so if Verizon refuses to make a return as easy as it could possibly be for OP...sit on it until they do.
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An extra order of fries is a totally different realm than a several hundred dollar iPhone.
 
JPD05 said:
If you go through a McDonalds drivethrough and once you pull out...low and behold you have an extra large fry in the bag....would you actually turn around..park and go back in the store to return it?? Probably not because to do so would be a pain in the butt....so if Verizon refuses to make a return as easy as it could possibly be for OP...sit on it until they do.
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$3 fry, $800 phone. Yeah, those are the same thing. :rolleyes:
 
JPD05 said:
If you go through a McDonalds drivethrough and once you pull out...low and behold you have an extra large fry in the bag....would you actually turn around..park and go back in the store to return it?? Probably not because to do so would be a pain in the butt....so if Verizon refuses to make a return as easy as it could possibly be for OP...sit on it until they do.
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Only about $800 difference or so in analogies. Makes sense. Not.

Also, you may not want to eat an iPhone.
 
Steve686 said:
They should get together with Apple and accidentally not send you your iPhone 8 next year after you order it.
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Why... The OP paid for what he ordered. He fulfilled his part of their contract...

A companies error is not the fault of this OP. If they want the phone, come and get it. That's what I would say. I wouldn't lift a finger to go out of my way, but if they came, I would gladly give it to them.
 
Its not the fricken cost that's being compared...it's the idea that Verizon should do whatever it takes to make it easy to have the phone returned. Why should OP go out of his way to correct their blunder?? Now if they're offering to send him a prepaid with a pickup at his door....and he's refusing to return it...ok different moral story.
 
JPD05 said:
Its not the fricken cost that's being compared...it's the idea that Verizon should do whatever it takes to make it easy to have the phone returned. Why should OP go out of his way to correct their blunder?? Now if they're offering to send him a prepaid with a pickup at his door....and he's refusing to return it...ok different moral story.
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