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Verizon Unlimited Throttling Begins This Wed

mac.cali said:
Incorrect. If they change your policy then you're allowed eft waiver. We will know for sure over the next month or so.
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Nope, nice try though ;)

http://www.att.com/shop/en/legalterms.html?toskey=wirelessCustomerAgreement
1.3 Can AT&T Change My Terms And Rates?

We may change any terms, conditions, rates, fees, expenses, or charges regarding your Services at any time. We will provide you with notice of material changes (other than changes to governmental fees, proportional charges for governmental mandates, roaming rates or administrative charges) either in your monthly bill or separately. You understand and agree that State and Federal Universal Service Fees and other governmentally imposed fees, whether or not assessed directly upon you, may be increased based upon the government's or our calculations.

IF WE INCREASE THE PRICE OF ANY OF THE SERVICES TO WHICH YOU SUBSCRIBE, BEYOND THE LIMITS SET FORTH IN YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE SUMMARY, OR IF WE MATERIALLY DECREASE THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA IN WHICH YOUR AIRTIME RATE APPLIES (OTHER THAN A TEMPORARY DECREASE FOR REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE), WE’LL DISCLOSE THE CHANGE AT LEAST ONE BILLING CYCLE IN ADVANCE (EITHER THROUGH A NOTICE WITH YOUR BILL, A TEXT MESSAGE TO YOUR DEVICE, OR OTHERWISE), AND YOU MAY TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT WITHOUT PAYING AN EARLY TERMINATION FEE OR RETURNING OR PAYING FOR ANY PROMOTIONAL ITEMS, PROVIDED YOUR NOTICE OF TERMINATION IS DELIVERED TO US WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER THE FIRST BILL REFLECTING THE CHANGE.

If you lose your eligibility for a particular rate plan, we may change your rate plan to one for which you qualify.
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The important parts I bolded and underlined, as I said before the only way you are getting out ETF free is either 1) They increase the fees or 2) You have an idiot rep who folds and just wants to get rid of you after complaining so much (YMMV).

Applejuiced said:
False.
It's still unlimited data.
The slowdown doesn't let you get out etf free.
If that was the case thousands of AT&T users would be using that loophole too.
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This ^
 
Hal~9000 said:
Nope, nice try though ;)

http://www.att.com/shop/en/legalterms.html?toskey=wirelessCustomerAgreement


The important parts I bolded and underlined, as I said before the only way you are getting out ETF free is either 1) They increase the fees or 2) You have an idiot rep who folds and just wants to get rid of you after complaining so much (YMMV).



This ^
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Then it wouldn't be network optimization would it? Something they clearly stated and they outlined their terms. It doesn't matter what att did. Besides if you're not affected, why worry? :rolleyes:
 
mac.cali said:
Then it wouldn't be network optimization would it? Something they clearly stated and they outlined their terms. It doesn't matter what att did. Besides if you're not affected, why worry? :rolleyes:
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I just don't want incorrect statements to cause forum members getting the idea that you can get out of an ETF and either waste their time calling about it or, even worse, taking out a 2-year subsidized contract thinking they can just get out of it for free (both of which I've seen happen in the past). Hence why I bring forth the correct information.

Oh and it definitely matters what ATT did since it's the same sort of situation (throttling unlimited data policy change) and nobody got out of their contract. I'm sure I could find the exact same paragraph in Verizon's terms of service if I wanted...
 
Hal~9000 said:
I just don't want incorrect statements to cause forum members getting the idea that you can get out of an ETF and either waste their time calling about it or, even worse, taking out a 2-year subsidized contract thinking they can just get out of it for free (both of which I've seen happen in the past).

Oh and it definitely matters what ATT did since it's the same sort of situation (throttling unlimited data policy change) and nobody got out of their contract. I'm sure I could find the exact same paragraph in Verizon's terms of service if I wanted...
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Go ahead. It will give you something to do.
 
Hopefully the FCC lights a fire up their $@!? and forces them to stop this shenanigans.
 
Gincoma said:
Hopefully me too im under contract but with unlimited
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Yes I remember reading if you under contract they won't throttle you.

We will just all have to do another unlimited loophole next year to keep our unlimited plans.
 
I have to UL under a two year contract that I renewed with the BB dump phone loophole. I have a year left. Interested to see on Wednesday whether I am throttled or not. I would call me a HEAVY user...
 
Hal~9000 said:
I don't believe being under contract prevented AT&T from throttling people had unlimited data when they made their policy change.

They simply said:
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Man oh man was that ever true. I'm guessing this loophole is now long closed, but for a while there was a loophole to get unlimited data on a new contract with an iPhone. Basically, you'd buy a new iPhone (the newest at the time was 4S), and activate the SIM (in an adapter) on a 1st gen iPhone. The activation system was still the same as it was when those iPhones first came out, so you would get x minutes/x texts and unlimited 2G data. Once you did that, you'd call AT&T customer service and say that your new phone is requiring an updated data plan, and they'd bump you to unlimited 3G/HSPA+ data (and this same plan would eventually cover LTE).

I had actually switched to AT&T specifically to do this, and it worked. My 4S had unlimited HSPA+ and I was humming along nicely. Then about a month later, the throttling began. I was a month into my contract and three days into the month my speeds were unusable. I called AT&T and asked them what was going on. They said they had begun throttling the "top 5%" of users and that anything over 2 GB of data was considered in most areas to be in the top 5%. I was livid. I ended up selling my phone and account to another guy on an assumption of liability because I was so pissed at AT&T. Now I hear their throttling begins at 5 GB but I'll never go back to them after that.
 
Hal~9000 said:
Let's see next month how much you've used once they start throttling unlimited users this Wed ;)
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I guess we will see. I'm under contract (don't know it that matters based on the confusion in this thread.) I pull 85 down consistently and live in the middle of nowhere, so I doubt I'm on a congested tower.
 
Supermallet said:
Man oh man was that ever true. I'm guessing this loophole is now long closed, but for a while there was a loophole to get unlimited data on a new contract with an iPhone. Basically, you'd buy a new iPhone (the newest at the time was 4S), and activate the SIM (in an adapter) on a 1st gen iPhone. The activation system was still the same as it was when those iPhones first came out, so you would get x minutes/x texts and unlimited 2G data. Once you did that, you'd call AT&T customer service and say that your new phone is requiring an updated data plan, and they'd bump you to unlimited 3G/HSPA+ data (and this same plan would eventually cover LTE).
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Yep, I did the same thing :)

I didn't have a iPhone 2g so I simply told a person on craigslist who was trying to sell one that I would pay them $25 to meet me and let me set up unlimited data.

Supermallet said:
I had actually switched to AT&T specifically to do this, and it worked. My 4S had unlimited HSPA+ and I was humming along nicely. Then about a month later, the throttling began. I was a month into my contract and three days into the month my speeds were unusable. I called AT&T and asked them what was going on. They said they had begun throttling the "top 5%" of users and that anything over 2 GB of data was considered in most areas to be in the top 5%. I was livid. I ended up selling my phone and account to another guy on an assumption of liability because I was so pissed at AT&T. Now I hear their throttling begins at 5 GB but I'll never go back to them after that.
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Yeah, sucks how they used to throttle so hard. Nowadays though if you are in an LTE area you can still get 1-2mbps while being throttled (around 500kbps on 3G), which is perfectly fine to do almost any task you want on your iPhone.

Sorry to hear you had a poor experience though :(

Which carrier did you end up going with?
 
Hal~9000 said:
Yep, I did the same thing :)

I didn't have a iPhone 2g so I simply told a person on craigslist who was trying to sell one that I would pay them $25 to meet me and let me set up unlimited data.
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A friend of mine who upgraded phones once in a blue moon had just recently upgraded and still had his original iPhone. I hope he kept it because the market value for one must be so low that it would be worth keeping for the sentimental value at this point.



Hal~9000 said:
Yeah, sucks how they used to throttle so hard. Nowadays though if you are in an LTE area you can still get 1-2mbps while being throttled (around 500kbps on 3G), which is perfectly fine to do almost any task you want on your iPhone.

Sorry to hear you had a poor experience though :(

Which carrier did you end up going with?
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At the time I went with Sprint because they had unlimited WiMax data and I happened to be in an area where I got great WiMax coverage. I stayed with them for the initial LTE deployment but my main locations of use changed in that period and T-Mobile rolled out their uncarrier initiatives so I switched to them and will likely stick with them for a good long while, especially now that wifi calling is on the iPhone.
 
Will do. I've got until December then I'm going to Tmobile. Had my unlimited data for 3 years. Hopefully the throttling isn't ridiculous because I'm in the highest percentile easy. Please get the 6 plus Tmobile.
 
Newtons Apple said:
Entitlement government?

I doubt Verizon cares.
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They have already said that they will not throttle bizz accounts so don't hate. I would also like to add that when Verizon notified unlimited customers back in august about this that the only people that got that notice were the ones that where not under a contract
 
Jalopybox said:
Yes
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How do you have unlimited and still under contract? My contract expired a while ago and have been purchasing phones full retail in order to keep the data plan. I have the old nationwide talk and text plan, i'm guessing you have the older family plan and swapping upgrades?

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ROLLTIDE1 said:
Get under contract now to prevent it !
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Yeah well in the Verizon world that means going from unlimited to a share everything plan and paying WAAAAY more for my data. That's exactly what they want their top 5% of users to do.

First example: I have an unlimited plan and use let's say 30gb a month it costs me a total monthly cell phone bill if around $90 (including unlimited text 450 anytime mins and hotspot) and I would get throttled under their network optimization policy.

Second example: Now if I switch to the share everything plan it would cost me $224 just for the data plan, not including the other services and fees. I would not get throttled under this plan.

What the FCC doesn't like and myself is that Verizon is pretty much saying that if you're an unlimited customer who falls under their 5% of "heavy data users" (which is using greater than 4.7gb a month), you cause so much trouble by lagging their networking using your 30gb a month that you MUST be throttled. However, it is OK that I pay Verizon $224 for 30gb and I WON'T get throttled. It's crap
 
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