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I'm entering the conversation late, but I agree with these sentiments. AT&T's plans beat the socks off these Verizon numbers. I mainly think that when companies go from unlimited -> capped plans, they should give a price break like AT&T did.

AT&T's unlimited plan was $30, and then they made 2GB $25, 200 MB $15. Verizon is going from a $30 unlimited to $30 for 2GB, and $10 for a paltry 75 MB. There's no real savings there.

I agree....AT&T is now better than Verizon.
 
Everyone should get the 75MB plan, and most will go over and it will only cost them $20 a month. But even if it goes over some months, it will only cost $30, what you would have been paying anyway. So then you save $10 on the other months.

I am a low data user on AT&T. I have the 200 MB plan. It is always adequate for my needs, as I have wifi at home and at work. $15 for 200MB is OK. But $10 for just 75 MB is terrible. I routinely use at least 100 MB. The Verizon plan would cost me 1/3 more than I'm now paying with AT&T. Seems like Verizon should have a more realistic bottom tier.
 
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Nonsensical and wrong

;) Companies such as Apple are avidly promoting cloud computing, which in most every respect would seem to be the future.

Meanwhile internet providers are seemingly intent on doing just the opposite, raising prices and throttling access back into the stone age.
 
You sure? On their website under how much the plans currently cost they show the 29.99 unlimited data as the same thing. This is what makes me thing that it might work

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When I read this, its $10 for the first 75 (worthless) and then $10 for EVERY 75mb there after (rip off).

Why are people saying $10 for 75mb then $10 up to 1gig? That is completely wrong or is it because i have had only one cup of coffee?
 
When I read this, its $10 for the first 75 (worthless) and then $10 for EVERY 75mb there after (rip off).

Why are people saying $10 for 75mb then $10 up to 1gig? That is completely wrong or is it because i have had only one cup of coffee?

It is crazy. THe low end data amount is too small. I'm a light user of 3G and I'm at 150MBs a month easy. They are almost forcing you into a $20 minimum.

Personally, I think this is all designed to stop you from using your cell phone as a wireless hub once 4G is more available.
 
Holy crap...

$80 a month for crappy and out of date wireless phone internet. I hope this includes free tethering and lube then then. I pay $30 a month for 22mbps download at my home. Sounds like a scam to me. Americans love to ******* Americans.
 
And the problem is.....

Americans sit here and eat it up too. If I didn't have unlimited data through AT&T, I would just move on over to Sprint. If Sprint didn't have it, guess what, no "smart phone" for me. Screw these huge companies that are screwing their customers.
 
ETF's Keep Costumers Locked in so Many Can't Switch.

In most cases consumers don't have much choice because we're locked in these Draconian Contracts with huge ETFs. I have Verizon's 4G Hotspot plan and my first bill is wrong to the tune of $40. I had their phone service for two years and the f'ers had my bill incorrect almost every month to the tune of hundreds of dollars.

Instead of constantly fighting them this time, I'm just canceling my service and paying the $175 ETF - to get them out of my life. Most consumers can't afford to do this. Not to mention they seem to throttle my service to 3G levels once I hit 6 GB.

And we need phones, in the US we only have 3 options Verizon, Sprint or AT&T. Can't count TMobile anymore because once AT&T takes them over next year you can guarantee their prices will suck.
 
In most cases consumers don't have much choice because we're locked in these Draconian Contracts with huge ETFs. I have Verizon's 4G Hotspot plan and my first bill is wrong to the tune of $40. I had their phone service for two years and the f'ers had my bill incorrect almost every month to the tune of hundreds of dollars.

Instead of constantly fighting them this time, I'm just canceling my service and paying the $175 ETF - to get them out of my life. Most consumers can't afford to do this. Not to mention they seem to throttle my service to 3G levels once I hit 6 GB.

And we need phones, in the US we only have 3 options Verizon, Sprint or AT&T. Can't count TMobile anymore because once AT&T takes them over next year you can guarantee their prices will suck.

Why would you pay an ETF?

You PORT your number to a new provider citing that their service in your area is terrible. Let them prove it's not! They won't make the effort or take the time.

When porting they wave the ETF as their service isn't as promised!
 
So glad I made the decision to get the iPhone with unlimited data while I could. I'd rather have the iPhone4 with unlimited than the 4S or 5 (whatever you want to call it) with a monthly limit.

Well it should be able to be granted into the next one or the next time you get a new phone as long as you dont remove the plan and re add it.
 
Nope. AT&T U-Verse is a form of DSL, not fiber. Read it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uverse

Can't compare apples to oranges. Fiber TO HOME is FAR faster than anything U-Verse offers. Right now I'm running 50/20MB on FiOS and they have 100MB packages for business. U-verse barely burps out 24MB at "max turbo."

I didn't say it was identical. Its still fiber and its still data. See next post below:


He's not comparing speeds. He is saying it's all data. And he is correct. Doesn't matter how the DATA gets there, they still know what is what. FIOS WILL be capped as well, bet on it.

Just a side note. Fiber to the node mean it's guess what? FIBER to the node. Where it's changed from fiber to copper for delivery to the home. FIOS's node is simply at the home. But honestly I'm running 24/3 on COPPER. That's pretty damn awesome and ATT is not bankrupting themselves by running fiber to people's houses. FIOS isn't rolling out quickly because V CANNOT afford it. It will kill them in the long if it's not adopted faster. All this is just kinda extra and really has nothing to do with anything.

Thank you.
 
Why would you pay an ETF?

You PORT your number to a new provider citing that their service in your area is terrible. Let them prove it's not! They won't make the effort or take the time.

When porting they wave the ETF as their service isn't as promised!

Unfortunately that's not how it works. The ETF is tied to your contract - not the porting of the number. Generally the only way an ETF is waived is when the carrier violated the contract not the customer.

You port after you terminate the contract. Not before.
 
I did call back (to CS again) and this agent said the exact opposite of the previous, in agreement with what you are saying. He said that I could get an unlimited plan now on my feature phone but it couldn't transfer because the $30 feature phone plan has a different name in their system than the $30 smartphone plan and that any changes disrupt the grandfathering magic (my paraphrasing of what he said).

However, the previous rep I spoke to was very clear that the opposite was true. I asked him if he was sure and even asked if he could guarantee I could transfer the plan to a future iPhone, and he said he would double check, and then he came back and said he was sure.

I tend to believe the second one I spoke to because it seemed like he had a bit more precise knowledge and did some more investigation than the first, so you're probably right. I think

Update: Before I posted this I decided to call one more time, this time to sales like you suggested. Like a lawyer I walked him through what I wanted to do very carefully multiple times. And he confirmed multiple times I could add a $29.99 unlimited data plan to my LG Dare (feature phone) and be grandfathered into an updated iPhone in the future with the same plan. I recorded the last call just in case.

I truly, truly hope that works! I just dont believe it will though. I went ahead and bought the Palm Pixi to be sure. It was worth for me. Again, I really wish you luck, and recording the call was a great idea. Hopefully when the new iPhones out, we'll both have unlimited!!!
 
A small loophole in the 2 gig plan

$10 is for featured phones only. I did speak to a Verizon rep that told me you can change your plan on the fly for an unlimited number of times. So there is a loophole of sorts. Say you are on a 2 gig plan and wind up using 4+ gig's in a month, just call and change the plan to the 5 gig one before the billing cycle closes out. You will have to call back up and change it back to the lower plan after you get billed.

If you continue the logic, why would anyone sign up for a $30/month 2GB plan?
If you sign up for a 75MB plan for $10 with $10/GB overage:
$10 = 0 - 0.075GB
$20 = 0.075GB - 1.075GB
$30 = 1.075GB - 2.075GB.

Instead of a constant $30 a month, people who have erratic monthly usage but consistently stay under 2GB will benefit with $10 or $20 data bills sometimes.

Or am I missing something?
 
Booooooo! Maybe Sprint will go from true unlimited to a tiered one as well. If cell phone companys can cap their data so easily...how much longer until all the ISP companies do it?

They already do! If you transfer too much data you will get a letter form your internet provider. Just, because they say it's unlimited doesn't mean it really is! It's unlimited under expected use conditions.

Fire up a torrent app and leave it on for a week! You'll get a stop it letter.
 
And if you don't understand how traffic slows down a network, I really can't go any further with you.

So that is your way of not even remotely answering the question of how people using between 5gb-10gb (or that range) actually "slow down" the network?

Traffic numbers on the whole go up...nobody argues that.

Yet this idea of people using a few GB and THUS being the reason for a network slowdown are not just laughable but utterly ridiculous and not ONE PERSON has ever shown how or why this rumor keeps on living

Give me actually proof. Stop living off the general statements given to us daily by Verizon and AT&T
 
I thought AT&T's data tier was bad.... damn I'm glad I'm not with the, "Can you hear me now?" company! Pretty soon it will be "Can you email me now? Do you have data available?"
 
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And if you don't understand how traffic slows down a network, I really can't go any further with you.


So that is your way of not even remotely answering the question of how people using between 5gb-10gb (or that range) actually "slow down" the network?

Traffic numbers on the whole go up...nobody argues that.

Yet this idea of people using a few GB and THUS being the reason for a network slowdown are not just laughable but utterly ridiculous and not ONE PERSON has ever shown how or why this rumor keeps on living

Give me actually proof. Stop living off the general statements given to us daily by Verizon and AT&T


These companies don't want you to know the truth. Either their network is fine and they want to rape our pocket books or they are truly hurting on a daily basis, but won't tell the public the truth because they fear that their network will be lambasted as inferior, not capable of their needed capacity and lose customers or they know of technologies in the near future that will be available on their networks that will cause a huge data pull. Which if that's the case then we have two scenarios. They know the future products and want to make a killing off of people using FaceTime, etc over LTE or they need to limit the data, because the new technology is far more advanced then their networks... or both.
 
Google Music is a good example, but afaik iCloud won't be streaming your music.

No, but they'll be "pushing" to all your devices. Your iphone is one of those devices, and unless you're doing this via wifi, it's going to eat up data.
 
Man, I was really looking forward to tethering my imac to my iphone and downloading Lion super fast on Verizon's 4g network...oh wait, I forgot. My iphone isn't 4g capable. oh well.
 
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