Verizon's Tiered iPhone Data Plans to Debut on July 7th

[Geckotek]

Sorry, I obviously don't have access to pull the logs. And your argument is pointless.

If you want to argue that perhaps there really is not enough traffic to cause a slow down....that might be believable. But to argue that heavy traffic users can't slow down a network is just ignorance. This is just common sense.

One of my past IT jobs had issues where they thought the internet service wasn't sufficient. They even upgraded their service with their ISP. Then they hired me and after some researche it turned out they had allowed their e-mail server to be an open relay. The vast amount of e-mail traffic was causing major network slowdowns.

I've seen it happen and I've resolved the issue that caused it. I'm not going to go back to that company I worked for years ago to try to get some logs to prove it to you. If you prefer to ignore advice from others that know the subject better than you, then that's your perogative. Enjoy it.

 

[alent1234]

So that is your way of not even remotely answering the question of how people using between 5gb-10gb (or that range) actually "slow down" the network?

Traffic numbers on the whole go up...nobody argues that.

Yet this idea of people using a few GB and THUS being the reason for a network slowdown are not just laughable but utterly ridiculous and not ONE PERSON has ever shown how or why this rumor keeps on living

Give me actually proof. Stop living off the general statements given to us daily by Verizon and AT&T

once you use about 40% or more of available bandwidth you start getting packet collisions due to broadcasts

 

[Geckotek]

once you use about 40% or more of available bandwidth you start getting packet collisions due to broadcasts

Thanks, I'm not a networking guy so I had forgotten some of the details of exactly what happens.

 

[Ivabign]

Sorry, I should have explained that my contract wasn't up for renewal until 7/7. Otherwise I wouldn't have run the risk!

Thanks, now that makes perfect sense! Although I probably would have called and begged them to upgrade me a day early. I have heard stories of Verizon doing early upgrades for good customers. Then of course, I am paranoid.

Cheers!

 

[Ammo]

So for $45/month with AT&T you get 4 GB + tethering.

With Verizon, it's $50 for 5 GB, and $70 if you want the tethering.

Safe to say AT&T has more value with its iPhone.

 

[JAT]

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Has anyone noticed that the VZW site has a * on the 2GB plan? It says no discounts. If that refers to corporate discounts, that's another horrific idea.

So I now get Unlimited for $23.40 and new customers get 2GB for $30. Ouch!!

 

[Geckotek]

So for $45/month with AT&T you get 4 GB + tethering.

With Verizon, it's $50 for 5 GB, and $70 if you want the tethering.

Safe to say AT&T has more value with its iPhone.

Did you just compare the 2GB plan to the 5GB plan?

On Verizon, the equivalent plan would be 4GB plan w/ hotspot for $50. A mere $5/month difference gets you 4G data where available and a much wider and more consistent data coverage on 3G.

However, for now I have unlimited w/ AT&T and didn't jump in time to get unlimited on Verizon so it's still AT&T for me....for now.

 

[Ammo]

Did you just compare the 2GB plan to the 5GB plan?

On Verizon, the equivalent plan would be 4GB plan w/ hotspot for $50. A mere $5/month difference gets you 4G data where available and a much wider and more consistent data coverage on 3G.

However, for now I have unlimited w/ AT&T and didn't jump in time to get unlimited on Verizon so it's still AT&T for me....for now.

Um, no.

I compared the 4GB plan WITH TETHERING ($45) to Verizon's 5 GB plan without tethering ($50). To get 5 GB with tethering on Verizon it's $70.

AT&T's 2 GB plan for $25 doesn't have tethering. 4 GB has tethering built in to the package.

 

[Geckotek]

Um, no.

I compared the 4GB plan WITH TETHERING ($45) to Verizon's 5 GB plan without tethering ($50). To get 5 GB with tethering on Verizon it's $70.

AT&T's 2 GB plan for $25 doesn't have tethering. 4 GB has tethering built in to the package.

Then you are manipulating the numbers to benefit AT&T? Why not compare apples to apples? Why are you comparing a 4GB plan to a 5GB plan?

I guess I have to lay it out for you.

AT&T 2GB Data plan = $25 + 2GB tethering = $20 for a total of $45

From Verizon website:
"4GB Data Bundle with Personal Email & Mobile Hotspot" = $50

Edit: FYI, I don't see an add-on tethering plan any longer so your $70 price is made up anyway. For $70/month you get 7GB of data with tethering.

 

[jav6454]

However, for now I have unlimited w/ AT&T and didn't jump in time to get unlimited on Verizon so it's still AT&T for me....for now.

Please leave AT&T, your posts make you sound like a Verizon fanboi, yet you are using AT&T's network. Please make the commitment once and for all and leave AT&T and sign with Verizon.

 

[Ammo]

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[Geckotek]

Please leave AT&T, your posts make you sound like a Verizon fanboi, yet you are using AT&T's network. Please make the commitment once and for all and leave AT&T and sign with Verizon.

Having been a user of both networks for years, my posts come from experience and tell both sides of the story. Show me one false statement I've made about either carrier.

Why don't you leave the forum? Or leave me alone? What's your issue? Why are you so rude?

 

[MrNomNoms]

These companies don't want you to know the truth. Either their network is fine and they want to rape our pocket books or they are truly hurting on a daily basis, but won't tell the public the truth because they fear that their network will be lambasted as inferior, not capable of their needed capacity and lose customers or they know of technologies in the near future that will be available on their networks that will cause a huge data pull. Which if that's the case then we have two scenarios. They know the future products and want to make a killing off of people using FaceTime, etc over LTE or they need to limit the data, because the new technology is far more advanced then their networks... or both.

What has happened is there has been a bait and switch between the two major companies (AT&T and Verizon), promising the earth knowing full well that their network and current technology could never live up to the promises that they had marketed - flat rate all you can eat internet might work on fixed line but wireless due to the limits of wireless technology and the cost of back hauling data will always be more expensive. The basic idea is that they suck you in, you become so dependent that when they do start to clamp down and put up tiered pricing with the majority of consumers going, "oh well, too much hassle to change I might as well stay with what I have". People might point to small players like Sprint or MetroPCS but they're pretty much irrelevant when compared to the two largest nationwide players (nation wide coverage is the important part of the equation - fat load of use having a cute player with next to no coverage outside of the few cities they operate).

Add on top of that the fact that Americans have never had metered internet where as where I live we have always had metered internet in some form, either per hour or per-megabyte/per-gigabyte so the very idea of mobile internet being charged wasn't a shock - then add to to that the carriers explaining why mobile data costs more than fixed line, there has never been much of a protest against how things have operated.

For me my iPhone is on the 'other' 3G network on offer (the launch partner for the iPhone where I live is Vodafone) and it performs perfectly - great coverage, very fast internet speed, tethering for no extra charge etc.

Then again the whole US mobile phone network is stupid - receiving party pays for the phone call and text message? bugger that, if I lived in the US that is the one reason I would NEVER own a mobile phone - why the hell should I pay for someone ringing or text messaging me? what a stupid way to design a system!

 

[JAT]

Edit: FYI, I don't see an add-on tethering plan any longer so your $70 price is made up anyway. For $70/month you get 7GB of data with tethering.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans

 

[Geckotek]

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans

Interesting, seems they have some discrepencies in their website. When you go to purchase a device and look at the data plans that come up during the purchase, the options are different.

 

[JAT]

Interesting, seems they have some discrepencies in their website. When you go to purchase a device and look at the data plans that come up during the purchase, the options are different.

Frankly, I'd be more surprised if there weren't any discrepancies. It was probably already added together where you found it.