If hobbyists can get OS X to work this well with touch I don't see an issue with Apple hiring competent developers to accomplish it.
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Very confused by all the hate in here for iPad Pro
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If hobbyists can get OS X to work this well with touch I don't see an issue with Apple hiring competent developers to accomplish it.
Why do we need OS X to work with touch when we have iOS? I'd rather see Apple continue to make improvements to iOS rather than try and turn OS X into a multi touch OS. Plus OS X apps are x86. How are they supposed to run on ARM processors?
The one thing that should be encouraging about iPad Pro is the powerful hardware. This hardware is capable of running desktop class software. And Apple is capable of adding features to iPad for iOS to make it more user friendly for professionals and prosumers. People should be glad iPad Pro exists because it means Apple is serious about improving the iOS experience on iPads.
In fact, IMO, by considering it's CPU / GPU power, screen quality, battery life. And compare it to the MacBook Pro. It's cheap, very cheap.
It's reply hard to believe that Apple made a device perform better than MacBook Pro (M370X) in graphics with zero cooling.
The problem now is how can we use those power under iOS.
I bought it because of 4 speakers, large display and increased memory. When i got ipp i found it too big it was difficult to use. Next day i got the apple smart keyboard and since then no complaints. I mostly use on bed mostly put pillow on my lap and ipp on top of it. Other devices i also use like that. I saw your post and i am trying on my lap on bed and it's completely comfortable but without case its too big to use. For me ipp became complete after smart keyboard i haven't use the apple case and cover with it so I don't know about it. I have surface 3 too i just tried on the lap just like ipp and i find out that you have to put s3 in certain position so it can sit on your lap because of it's kickstand. If you fold the type cover then it's okay but then you wont be able to use keyboard of s3. So yes i can use ipp on lap comfortably.
The mobile GPUs are rendering at half precision, so the comparison of FPS isn't a direct comparison of performance between platforms. A9X absolutely does not have a faster GPU than Iris Pro. Iris? Yeah, very possible. Geekbench is going to have some error between platforms too, but it will be much closer to a fair comparison than the GPU scores. These tests also don't take into account thermal throttling over extended high load, the benchmarks are too short for that. Any system with active cooling will have a huge advantage in sustained workload.
Not saying the performance isn't impressive, but the benchmark data has to be taken in context.
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I am agreeing with you. In your positive points, and your confusion why there's a tone of dislike when I see people post about it.
The easiest means of keeping files in sync between systems will be to use cloud storage of some sort such as Google Drive, Dropbox, etc.
What disappoints my wife and I is the lack of OCR for taking notes. She is an author and would like the iPad Pro to use while traveling about. She is left handed. It works well enough for taking notes, our local store had both the Pro and Pencil about, but there are no apps yet to take her hand written notes and turn them into type written notes.
That is a very good point! I am very glad iPad Pro exists, I just don't think it's worth owning one until Apple massively improve iOS to the point it's a worthy operating system on a "Pro" device of this size.
To be fair they've had more than enough time and it feels like they have released half of a product! The hardware is there, it's just the software that isn't...
Price, size and current iPad Air 2's are cheaper than retail. I can easily one hand my iPad Air 2 while lying in bed. Plus developers are starting to slow down with updates in general to utilize these new features. I forget that I have 3D Touch on my iPhone sometimes. I could only imagine the support for a tablet that is appealing to a select few.
If the price was at $500 for a 32gb model that would have made me upgrade from my iPad Air 2. For my type of usage I would be throwing money away. I'm also upset that the pencil was not fully integrated at the base cost similar to the Samsung Note series, the way to charge the pencil is ridiculous, the keyboard case is nothing special and the cost of both is more than "half" the cost of a iPad Air 2.
On top of that once the Apple hardcore sales stop I see this tablet dropping by at least $100 in 6 months once it hits retail channels and another drop when Apple refreshes the iPad Air line.
If the price was at $500 for a 32gb model that would have made me upgrade from my iPad Air 2. For my type of usage I would be throwing money away. I'm also upset that the pencil was not fully integrated at the base cost similar to the Samsung Note series, the way to charge the pencil is ridiculous, the keyboard case is nothing special and the cost of both is more than "half" the cost of a iPad Air 2.
On top of that once the Apple hardcore sales stop I see this tablet dropping by at least $100 in 6 months once it hits retail channels and another drop when Apple refreshes the iPad Air line.
But you're also forgetting the mandatory pencil cost. Why even buy this tablet if you're not getting the pencil? But Apple can go pound sand over that keyboard case. Now that is a total waste of money.
And at that maxed out price of $1029 you're not even getting the latest and greatest features like 3D Touch. For me the pencil should have been included and integrated into the body. Makes the tablet look first gen the way it is.
They've had more than enough time based on what? This is something Apple needs to be thoughtful about. It's not something that should be rushed. What exactly does a more powerful iOS for iPad mean? What does it look like and how is it implemented? Some people want iOS to have a pointer so they can use a mouse/trackpad with it. But is that the right way to go? Apple TV doesn't have a pointer yet I always know where I am on the screen. It uses something called the focus UI engine. That's something a developer also discovered is in iOS 9.1. Perhaps Apple is working on bringing that to iOS devices. Should there be specific enhancements to iPad that are just for iPP? Should developers be able to build apps specifically and only for iPP. Apps that are more expensive and allow for trials and paid upgrades? I'd rather Apple take their time, think these things through and get them right. Even if it means the iPP right now isn't fully baked. The majority of this is software so it's not like people will be forced to buy a new iPP to get these experiences. I think the A9X chip along with the 4GB RAM means consumers will get many years of use from this device. I don't think any app is currently pushing this device to its limits. There's plenty of headroom.
It's a larger iPad with 4gb of ram. That could be what some people want. People like Federico Viticci publish articles to Macstories entirely from their website, and a larger screen means more room for getting things done.
That might be a challenge. The iPad 2 is still the most commonly used iPad in circulation today. In the short run at least, people are not going to create apps that fully tax the hardware of the iPad Pro, because that means that anyone using any other iPad model will not be able to use it. You are cutting yourself out of a very large segment of the iPad user base.
The best you can hope for is for an app optimised for users of the iPad Air 2, and run it side-by-side on the iPad Pro.
Based on the time iPad Pro hardware would have been in development!
A more powerful iOS looks like a combination of iOS and OS X! It is implemented as touch only with heavy focus on gestures to navigate the OS such as those found using a trackpad on a Mac, but incorporates a point and click solution if one pairs a mouse or a trackpad! It also has the option of the Apple Pencil. This covers the field.
Going back to what it might look like, I would bet it looks like a version of OS X that only allows fullscreen and split screen apps and doesn't include the traditional round corner buttons. The menubar is reworked to accept downward swipe and holds to navigate, much like forcetouch on the iPhone, speaking of which, forcetouch would allow for many more OS level gestures! As a result, Notification Center would no longer be accessible from above and moved to the left as it is on the Mac, via a swipe in from the right.
The current multitasking implementation in iOS would now be replaced. Mission control is present via a four finger swipe up and functions as the main window management solution outside of four finger right and left swipes to navigate full screen apps! Four fingers swiped down reveals launchpad and a single swipe up from the bottom reveals control centre as usual, albeit a more powerful one! In mission control the most recent apps are displayed as full tiles similar to on a Mac and everything past the four or five most recently used apps are displayed as smaller tiles towards the bottom of the screen. The dock is not present!
Some OS X apps are used such as preferences and are reworked to be more touch friendly and look like a split between iOS and OS X. iOS stock apps are revamped with more powerful functionality such as the ability to drag the line between panes to resize them, such as those on the left of Mail and Notes.
In terms of Pro apps, they would have to be written for ARM as traditional Mac apps will not work on ARM and nor should they as developers won't want to rework desktop apps with touch functionality and even if they did it probably wouldn't work well... Instead, Apple should port their pro desktop apps to ARM, make them more touch friendly, again like an iOS OS X split, and wait for third party developers to follow suit!
So in short, it would look like a toned down version of OS X. And yes it would be exclusive to the iPad Pro...
This is how I feel. I have had mine for nearly 24 hours, and it is super awesome (for an iPad).
I slag the iOS on it, though, and find it somewhat unthoughtful on this device. It isn't awful, just sized for the iPad Air.
They need to make this thing detach from everything else, so you can use it autonomously by having a TimeMachine and external disk that can save data easily without a Mac.
This iOS also needs arrow buttons on the keyboard to move the cursor on text without erasing it.
Speakers--excellent (compared to the Airs and lesser Pads/Phones).
Size--perfect. I love this thing for reading. The other iPads were too crunched, and I hate squeezing and expanding things when going through huge texts or books, etc.
The iPad Pro is somewhat gentle step in right direction. It should have emerged on the market last year or before.
I've only been on these forums for a year or so but what I have learned is:
- Every launch is terrible and poorly executed
- the Apple Watch was a complete flop. I mean why would you need it?
- Atv 4 sucks. Come on it didn't have 300000 apps and zero bugs on launch day
- iPad pro. What does pro mean anyway? Can't even get a pencil. The pro is completely useless without the pencil. It won't even turn on.
- iPhone 6s. Samsung chip! O M G
I'm guessing that the complainers are just more vocal and opinionated and are not a true reflection of product satisfaction. You would think Apple would be bankrupt next year if all you read were the forums.
The best part is that next time a product launches everyone will still buy it. There will be 10 preorder threads and 15 shipping threads. In my opinion, that means Apple is doing everything right.
- Every launch is terrible and poorly executed
- the Apple Watch was a complete flop. I mean why would you need it?
- Atv 4 sucks. Come on it didn't have 300000 apps and zero bugs on launch day
- iPad pro. What does pro mean anyway? Can't even get a pencil. The pro is completely useless without the pencil. It won't even turn on.
- iPhone 6s. Samsung chip! O M G
I'm guessing that the complainers are just more vocal and opinionated and are not a true reflection of product satisfaction. You would think Apple would be bankrupt next year if all you read were the forums.
The best part is that next time a product launches everyone will still buy it. There will be 10 preorder threads and 15 shipping threads. In my opinion, that means Apple is doing everything right.
I'd love to know what these people thought about the original iPhone that didn't have things like copy/paste and no App Store. Why is it that with the iPhone everyone says we knew the potential we knew what was coming but yet with iPad they assume what we've got is all we're ever going to get. Why in the world would Apple create incredibly powerful hardware if their long-term goal wasn't to take advantage of that hardware? There is no app right now that comes close to taxing the iPP hardware.
Obviously Apple has work to do to get developers willing to spend time and energy on the platform and develop desktop class apps for this device. That's why I've argued Apple needs someone at the top that is solely responsible for developer relations. Right now that's spread across multiple teams inside Apple. It needs to be consolidated under one team with one leader with the goal of ensuring developers have the tools and incentives they need to develop the best apps for iOS and OS X. I also think Apple needs to allow for iPP specific apps that offer trials and paid upgrades. And along side that a marketing campaign highlighting powerful apps for iPad, apps that are worth paying for. Apple needs to lead here.
the guys saying that a iOS/OS X hybrid device would never work and won't be made, are the same guys who said that the iPhone should stay at 4 inches and will never get any bigger.
Apple needs to make this. They will make this and you will eat your words when they do.
Apple needs to make this. They will make this and you will eat your words when they do.
And how do you run x86 apps on ARM? Or are you suggesting this device would have both an ARM and Intel processor? How expensive would that be?
So basically, buy now in hope something will come along...?
I have a better idea, don't buy and wait until it can do something other than a fill a promise that might not even be apples vision or direction for the product
And we have the crux of the point here:
Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD.