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Very confused by all the hate in here for iPad Pro
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$250, or 30% more. That's on top of what was (until the pro) one of the most expensive tablets on the market. At the low end, it's $300 or 60%.
A 30-60% price hike on a product that's already priced at a premium is a lot. Not to some people, sure, but any fair evaluation of tech products has to consider value. As of now (and it's early going yet), I'm not seeing a commensurate utility increase to justify the price increase over the air 2.
Yeah, exactly. That's the beauty of it, if they can guide companies to make killer software for their ecosystem, they just have to maintain that platform. If AutoDesk made AutoCAD and 3D Studio Max for the iPad Pro, that would be incredible.
You obviously have forgotten how apple operate. The air from now on will be treated like the mini is the the air. When the mini first came out it was fantastic, all the same power and specs in a smaller device. Obviously it started to canabilise air sales so since then they have withheld features and upgrades.
Much like the fact the pro doesn't have 3d touch, they will magically put it in the pro next year and call it a revolution.
I wish those who don't like Apple would go away and play some where else. Some think they are experts but we know what they are and what they play with.
Apple will grow TV apps plus iPad Pro apps.
Look at the weight increase in the iPhone 6S, and then think about if there are maybe other reasons not to include the current 3D Touch implementation on such a huge screen.
I think the reason Apple generates such strong feelings (even amongst fanboys like me) is that it massively overhypes its products, setting up huge expectations that cannot be met, resulting in disappointment, bitterness and anger.
A second reason is that people are happy to pay the considerable Apple premium, provided they get a flawless product and service. Recently Apple seems to have fallen down a number of times in this area. New products have a beta feel to them. Product launches are problematic (what? no pencils?).
I bought a Roku 2 set-top box a few months ago. I thought it was pretty rubbish. But I didn't rush to rokurumors.com to complain about it. Why? Because it cost £15. My expectations were as low as the price. The new Apple TV cost me £129: that's nine times more. I think I'm entitled to sky-high expectations of a pretty flawless product straight out of the box.
Apple apologists tend to respond by saying, "Don't worry: it'll get better when they update the software in a month or so." Or, "The version 2 will be much better." Neither of these excuses is good enough. Hugely expensive, massively hyped products shouldn't need to be improved so quickly after release. They should be superb on Day One.
Tim Cook didn't learn much from the Maps debacle, it seems.
(And, yes, Apple is sitting on an unimaginably large pile of cash and it seems to be doing OK. But fashions change, loyalties shift. I've just seen the new Tag Heuer Connected, which commentators say is the first serious challenge to the Apple Watch. I'm not about to buy one now, but I can imagine switching loyalties in the future if Apple doesn't up its game.)
A second reason is that people are happy to pay the considerable Apple premium, provided they get a flawless product and service. Recently Apple seems to have fallen down a number of times in this area. New products have a beta feel to them. Product launches are problematic (what? no pencils?).
I bought a Roku 2 set-top box a few months ago. I thought it was pretty rubbish. But I didn't rush to rokurumors.com to complain about it. Why? Because it cost £15. My expectations were as low as the price. The new Apple TV cost me £129: that's nine times more. I think I'm entitled to sky-high expectations of a pretty flawless product straight out of the box.
Apple apologists tend to respond by saying, "Don't worry: it'll get better when they update the software in a month or so." Or, "The version 2 will be much better." Neither of these excuses is good enough. Hugely expensive, massively hyped products shouldn't need to be improved so quickly after release. They should be superb on Day One.
Tim Cook didn't learn much from the Maps debacle, it seems.
(And, yes, Apple is sitting on an unimaginably large pile of cash and it seems to be doing OK. But fashions change, loyalties shift. I've just seen the new Tag Heuer Connected, which commentators say is the first serious challenge to the Apple Watch. I'm not about to buy one now, but I can imagine switching loyalties in the future if Apple doesn't up its game.)
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I was horrified of it myself, thanks to the reviews, and the despisers -- until I received it! My outlook has changed. And with some tweaks from the app developers, and Apple (with a revised iOS), I will no longer have to carry my Macbook around! As a teacher/creative professional, this is just golden for me!
I think that the issue is still looking at iOS as keyboard driven hence everyone wanting OSX or using it like a laptop. It is obvious to me that Apple wants it a touch device almost exclusively until they come up with a new paradigm. The smart kbd is just a sweetener for the future. Why put MacBook sales at risk, they are after purchasers that want the Pro as an addition to the Apple family and this fits in nicely. Can't really see it as a portable though.
I think that's very true. The iPad Pro is years away from being an all-things-to-all-people device, but Tim Cook is wandering around selling this as a laptop replacement, which it's simply not unless all you do on your laptop is read email, surf the web and watch YouTube videos. It may be brilliant for artists and other creatives. The huge screen may be appealing to people who just read email and watch videos (though a fair number of those people complain that the Air/Air 2 is already too big and heavy).
Agree again. iOS probably needs a major re-code to support multiple instances of apps, and until it does (which is likely to take several years, if it happens at all), the productivity crowd (as distinguished from the creative crowd and the recreational crowd mentioned above) are going to regard this one as a flop.
I suspect this form houses a lot of android and Windows fanboys that like to come over here and stir up trouble.
What's even more funny is how much hate and negative opinion there is from people that has never even touched or used the iPad Pro?? Kinda makes me think they're kids living in their parents basement and not really the demographic the iPad Pro is aimed at.
What's even more funny is how much hate and negative opinion there is from people that has never even touched or used the iPad Pro?? Kinda makes me think they're kids living in their parents basement and not really the demographic the iPad Pro is aimed at.
Don't worry, there are plenty of people here who called the Surface Pro a disaster based solely on the fact that it was from Microsoft without ever seeing one let alone use one.
I don't like handling the IPP to tell the truth, maybe the keyboard will change my perspective using it. If not, it is a goner so time will tell.
I haven't had any and I've been at B&N, Starbucks and a library. Macbooks and Surface Pros are all the rage I suppose.
Folks keep saying it will take time for the Pro to have apps to reach its potential. Question: Has that even happened with the Ipad Air 2 yet?
Food for thought.
Food for thought.
Exactly. I dont agree that people come here just to hate on Apple. What a waste of time? Its like a staunch replublican joining a Democrat forum just to...whatever. Waste of time.
IMO, its users like me that appreciate *some* Apple products but are NOT Apple-sheep are the ones that constructively comment about products that we feel dont quite hit the mark. Thats all.
I posted earlier that Apple has a habit of introducing hardware well ahead of the software. I would not be surprised if the iOS rewrite was already started prior to the September event. Microsoft and Adobe were certainly onboard with Apple's plans. I wonder what Cisco brings to the party, it bodes well to have them involved. I don't think we will know Apple's plans for a while yet, maybe until next summer. Until then the IPP will be popular with creatives and the recreational crowd. I was seriously impressed with it.
I rather have the above in an iPad Air 2 form factor. Tried Pro for a day and half, the novelty wore off already. It's simply too big as a tablet, and software not as "productive" as a desktop/laptop replacement. It's good for nothing for me.
So what do you consider to be an Apple "sheep", and in what way do you think that name-calling is a constructive comment?
For example, if I respectfully disagree with you about the usefulness of the iPad Pro as a productivity device, am I then a sheep? Maybe you should check the ego a bit and consider that having a different perspective doesn't necessarily make one a "sheep".
I think it's moreso that Apple just likes to march to its own beat and doesn't care two hoots about what the rest of the competition is doing (or at least, Apple gives the impression that they don't care), which is what makes them so polarising. It's infuriating. You either love Apple or hate Apple but you can't ignore them.
Just look at the lightning cable, for instance. Some people love that it is so sleek and thin and reversible. Others hate that it costs $20 and see it as a blatant attempt by Apple to milk more money out of them. And you know what? Neither is wrong.
I personally feel the iPad Pro is kinda like the 1st gen iPhone on launch day. Apple products have never been perfect. They come with their fair share of flaws and shortcomings, but Apple has somehow always been able to ship a minimum viable product with a great enough user experience that makes users more than willing to forgive or overlook any glaring deficiencies in those products. In short, every product has its compromises, but Apple's strength is knowing which compromises they can make and which they can't get away with.
People put up with the lack of 3g on the 1st gen iPhone because the mobile browser was that good (other phones that had 3g came with crappy browsers that defeated the point of having access to mobile data in the first place). The iPad Pro is no different here. Apps will take time to be updated or even redesigned to take advantage of that larger display. Software features will come (there are already rumours of an iPad Pro version of X-code in the works). You can't expect everything to magically fall into place right on day 1. Not even Apple is that omnipotent.
You are more than welcome to try, honestly. The grass very often seems greener on the other side, but as my colleague likes to say, that's likely because there's also more crap there on the other side. Maybe you might end up loving the Tag smartwatch, or it might let you better appreciate the refinements that Apple has baked into their products. Either way, you would be better off for it.