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DeathChill said:
Well, it's expected not to have driver support out of the box, but I'd be likely to bet using Intel's 945 chipset drivers would provide support for most of the main components.

Yeah I'm trying to think back to the last time I clean installed on our Intel Chipsets at work, and what drivers I needed then. We ImageCast most of the computers, and my brain is sludge so I can remember!
 
deadturtle said:
Yeah I'm trying to think back to the last time I clean installed on our Intel Chipsets at work, and what drivers I needed then. We ImageCast most of the computers, and my brain is sludge so I can remember!
You can just go to the Intel website and grab the 945 chipset drivers and hope for the best. If we can get the exact version numbers of each component it'd probably ease the pain of finding drivers, but for now it won't hurt anything to give the 945 chipset drivers a shot.
 
The video looks cool, but XP startup was quick! A lot quicker than my first XP install (prompts you to take a stupid tour... not in the movie but whatever)
 
I'm so giddy about this, in a horrible horrible stomache sinking way. wheee.....ew....mixed emotions everywhere.

games for me!
 
I would love this feature if ever it could become fully functional. Mostly because even though I'm not a huge gamer, there are some games that I love to death and I'm quite sad I can't play them once I switch to macs in June. Like in rollercoaster tycoon 1 and 2 you can kill people, but on rollercoaster 3 for mac, you can't, which is kind of a letdown. It'd also be great for my family because as the only pro-apple person in my family, I could use mac os x and my family could exclusively use windows xp. From a business perspective, if this becomes possible (as in easy to use and anyone could do it and full functional) it would be a great thing, especially for businesses that need special programs only made for windows. It'd also be good if you could use windows at work and when you get home you could use the mac.
 
It's capable of dual. You have to enter a keyboard shortcut with the arrow keys or something to choose which OS.
 
Meemoo said:
Is it dual booting, or simply booting?

The contest rules specify it has to be dual booting. Both OS's have to be able to coexist on one machine (not necessarily running at the same time).
 
celebrian23 said:
I would love this feature if ever it could become fully functional. Mostly because even though I'm not a huge gamer, there are some games that I love to death and I'm quite sad I can't play them once I switch to macs in June.

Yeah I agree with this post. It would be great to have games to play and using certain programs when you want without having to have 2 different desktops!
 
SeaFox said:
The contest rules specify it has to be dual booting. Both OS's have to be able to coexist on one machine (not necessarily running at the same time).
Yep, and in fact running at the same time would disqualify an entry. No virtual machines are allowed.
 
wine... where now

http://darwine.opendarwin.org/ off topic

"Darwine project intends to port and develop WINE as well as other supporting tools that will allow Darwin and Mac OS X users to run Windows Applications, and to provide a Win32 API compatibility at application source code level"

" New Darwine release is out, based upon the wine-0.9.7 release. This is the first Darwine release with x86 Mac support."
.........................
Now at 0.9.9

Not emulation and without windows (?)

Wouldn't this be more of a finesse...... no need to even dual boot just fire up the grey apps from OSX (?)

Congrates to the winners of the competition.
 
Well, it kinda sucks that it has to be custom-tailored for each machine model, but I guess that's to be expected.

As well, it doesn't seem to look like that the x1600XT drivers don't seem to work on Windows thus far. I'm hoping for acceleration of everything, but the Mini should be fine as it uses the standard Intel GMA 950.

Another nice thing is that apparently wireless will work fine as the Broadcom chipset used has a Windows driver available.
 
uncle said:
Wouldn't this be more of a finesse...... no need to even dual boot just fire up the grey apps from OSX???
Wine is nice when it works. Application support is nowhere near comprehensive, though. After a dozen years I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to become a real substitute for Windows.
 
celebrian23 said:
... From a business perspective, if this becomes possible (as in easy to use and anyone could do it and full functional) it would be a great thing, especially for businesses that need special programs only made for windows. It'd also be good if you could use windows at work and when you get home you could use the mac.

Honestly, I cant see any businesses that would get on board with this. It won't be supported by Apple, so why would the business absorb all the burden of support and replacements costs when they could just buy a dell. Maybe a small business of a few employees, but not a business of any size.
 
iMeowbot said:
Wine is nice when it works. Application support is nowhere near comprehensive, though. After a dozen years I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to become a real substitute for Windows.

ahh... ok

speculation / stream of something .... would sw developers support wine if there were numourous wintels running 0sx, that is, if osx was an option for a truly convergent os (?)

no...... i'm being a noooob :rolleyes: :D
 
decksnap said:
What format are the drives in these things? I'm confused because I thought XP doesn't recognize HFS. I guess I'm just slow...:confused:
Mac's have HFS, XP Recognizes them as EFI because of the Enhanced Firmware Interface, that's the only recognizable thing so it labels it as EFI. XP can only read FAT12, FAT16, FAT32, NTFS, and NSS(??), but you have to have external support for HFS and those. Partition Magic will allow you to create EXT2 volumes and that, not sure if they mount on XP (I don't think so, I've dual booted with EXT2 and Resirfs). Anyways, you're good?
 
uncle said:
speculation/ stream of something .... would sw developers support wine if there were numourous wintels running 0sx, that is, if osx was an option for a truly convergent os (?)
Corel and Borland did try something like this in the Linux world, using the related winelib tools to port WordPerfect and Delphi. Corel abandoned their product years ago, and I don't think that Kylix has seen an update in a few years. That's been about it, and somehow I don't expect things to be different when OS X joins the club.

A more likely development would be commercial Wine-based products from Codeweavers that get updated from time to time to support more programs. The Codeweavers stuff runs quite a bit more software than the public Wine, but you do need to check first that the programs you want to run are supported.

shooterlv said:
don't know if anyone noticed this but the instructions are written there on a piece of paper next to the iMac
That turned out to be instructions for the earlier EFI menu experiments that were discussed on Nakfull Propaganda a while back.
 
This is my first post, the lurker rises. I've been following this closely and I am abolutely thrilled that this is a possibility. I purchased my iMac Intel with the hopes that a dual boot could be accomplished. The main reason for buying my iMac was because I am starting a photography busisness and this was the obvious choice. But between 8-5pm I am a Microsoft application and website developer and have been lugging my laptop back and forth from work. No more I say to you!! Now I can develop in Visual Studio and run my photograpy business from ONE machine. I saved my XP Pro hard drive from my personal notebook that died on me. If I could boot off of that and reconfigure the device manager I could just about die. Maybe for some this isn't such a big deal, but for software professionals that need both OS's on one awesome machine this is truly incredible. Just imagine the impact this can have in the real world for a minute. In a place of business like mine where I am the graphic designer/developer I can acheive all my tasks from one machine...wow.
 
Well I guess it's official now.

Just saw this on onmac.net
Latest Update

Contest has been won - updates to follow shortly. All further donations will go into an account to sustain the open source project that will be launched with the initial solution. There are still many bugs to be worked out!
 
the solution will be released tomorrow. There is likely to be three solutions, one for MacBook Pro and 17" iMac, one for Mac mini and another one for 20" iMac.
 
Peace said:
This could have far reaching effects in the software industry..
Some good...Some bad...
Are developers going to just forget about OS X and stick with Windows?

I really believe if the solution is a viable one and doesn't break any laws it's going to force Steve Job's hand in making OS X for PeeCees..

Just watch..

And the solution is real...
It has been handed over to 9 people for testing
http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=1

is this safe to install Windows OS to Mac?:confused:
 
I have read this whole thread, but have some questions. I apologise if they've been covered, but it's hard to read and take in hundreds of posts.
#1. How does one get to become a tester?
#2. When can we expect the full instructions public on the net
#3. What are the known bugs?
Thanks
 
dotdotdot said:
The video looks cool, but XP startup was quick! A lot quicker than my first XP install (prompts you to take a stupid tour... not in the movie but whatever)

You can skip the "stupid tour".

Anyway, clearly they edited the video to prevent boredom. An XP install reboots your computer a couple of times during the install, and takes around 30 mins or more to complete. That's just the edited highlights. Not that I care, I just bought a PowerMac. I won't be switching to the Mactel for at least 18 months.
 
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