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Video of Windows XP Booting on iMac

DeathChill said:
Where are you seeing this? Just want to know so I can see what it works on because I'd LOVE it to work on my new Mini (once I order it 🙂)
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On osx86project forums an iMac tester has posted confirmation shots of his iMac installing XP. Another MacBook Pro tester claims his is working.
 
i the video looks real to me.
I like the idea of windows running on a mac, mostly for gamming
but i am wondering, what would happen if you get one or more of the many windows viruses out there on your mac. would it affect the whole machine or only the windows part?
 
Ah, I hadn't refreshed in time so I didn't see the picture of the iMac. This is quite awesome.

I'm REALLY interested in seeing if this works on the Mini, but I see no reason why it shouldn't.

Lucky narf, eh? $13,000 richer thanks to this.

Now I REALLY need to get on selling my Mini. 😉
 
thegreatunknown said:
great now we have a crappy OS on amazing hardware. just what I want.
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uh, i'd hate to break your heart, but Apple gave up "amazing hardware" for what everyone else is using.

i think what you mean to say is, "now we have a crappy OS on the same hardware that Dell sells, just wrapped in an Apple shell."

amazing hardware is the G5 and future PowerPC products; plus AMD's longstanding 64-bit and EFI supported processors, including the new Multicore 😉
 
DeathChill said:
Ah, I hadn't refreshed in time so I didn't see the picture of the iMac. This is quite awesome.

I'm REALLY interested in seeing if this works on the Mini, but I see no reason why it shouldn't.

Lucky narf, eh? $13,000 richer thanks to this.

Now I REALLY need to get on selling my Mini. 😉
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yeah, true. actually this proves a new point: if you can Windows on your Mac, what is the point of Mac OS X?

i mean, all the major software that is on the Mac is on Windows. not to mention, more selection, i mean you can go to Wal-Mart and buy a piece of software for your Windows Mac. isn't that weir?
 
progx said:
uh, i'd hate to break your heart, but Apple gave up "amazing hardware" for what everyone else is using.

i think what you mean to say is, "now we have a crappy OS on the same hardware that Dell sells, just wrapped in an Apple shell."

amazing hardware is the G5 and future PowerPC products; plus AMD's longstanding 64-bit and EFI supported processors, including the new Multicore 😉
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It's also true that the 'amazing hardware' in the Mac's is basically the exact same hardware in Dell's, though there's a bit of customization in them obviously. So yeah, there's no difference besides the case and the ability to run OS X without hacks.

Uh, EFI doesn't have anything to do with the processor, considering the fact that EFI was created and developed by Intel anyway. 😛

Conroe, Intel's next chip, is amazing. It's not even clocked up high yet (but apparently scales well) and it beats today's fastest chips, which are also overclocked, by a large margin. That's awesome. 🙂
 
DeathChill said:
It's also true that the 'amazing hardware' in the Mac's is basically the exact same hardware in Dell's, though there's a bit of customization in them obviously. So yeah, there's no difference besides the case and the ability to run OS X without hacks.

Uh, EFI doesn't have anything to do with the processor, considering the fact that EFI was created and developed by Intel anyway. 😛

Conroe, Intel's next chip, is amazing. It's not even clocked up high yet (but apparently scales well) and it beats today's fastest chips, which are also overclocked, by a large margin. That's awesome. 🙂
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still DeathChill, when a company spends more on advertising and less on research, you have to take it with a gain of salt.

i mean, isn't it interesting that AMD releases the biggest and best processors on the market, then Intel releases theirs. to be honest, who developed the first x86 64-bit processors? and from what my Windows friends have told me, the 64-bit Intels are way overpriced. i'll get prices for you later in the week if you want proof.

so, in reality, it was probably AMD that developed EFI first. it wouldn't be the first great idea that Intel has ripped off from them. it's just like Apple and Microsoft, one just talks and watches the little guy do all the work.

AMD is ahead of the game, we've just decided to fall in line and lose the hardware war. in terms of customizing the processors, there is probably not as much as you would think. any EFI supported processor can theoritically run Mac OS X. Voodoo has already proofed it, with no hacks and tricks. just a clean copy of Mac OS X running on a Voodoo Envy with an AMD 64-bit processor.
 
progx said:
still DeathChill, when a company spends more on advertising and less on research, you have to take it with a gain of salt.
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Indeed 🙂 However Intel is FINALLY getting it right.
progx said:
i mean, isn't it interesting that AMD releases the biggest and best processors on the market, then Intel releases theirs. to be honest, who developed the first x86 64-bit processors? and from what my Windows friends have told me, the 64-bit Intels are way overpriced. i'll get prices for you later in the week if you want proof.
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Uh, I'm talking about Conroe, it's top chip is priced lower then AMD's top offerings and is faster then them as well.

progx said:
so, in reality, it was probably AMD that developed EFI first. it wouldn't be the first great idea that Intel has ripped off from them. it's just like Apple and Microsoft, one just talks and watches the little guy do all the work.
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EFI was developed by Intel, that's a given. I don't know why you're making such odd..odd accusations that AMD created it.

progx said:
AMD is ahead of the game, we've just decided to fall in line and lose the hardware war. in terms of customizing the processors, there is probably not as much as you would think. any EFI supported processor can theoritically run Mac OS X. Voodoo has already proofed it, with no hacks and tricks. just a clean copy of Mac OS X running on a Voodoo Envy with an AMD 64-bit processor.
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There's not such thing as an EFI supported processor. EFI is the equivalent of a BIOS, but more advanced. You seem to be pulling things out of your...bottom.. with that one. Mac OS X relies on specific EFI modules created by Apple, and unless this guy somehow got them and put them into his EFI flash ROM deal (which won't work as apparently it has to be done a special way as it was already tried). Mac OS X 10.4.5 already works on non-EFI computers (as is obvious by the fact any computer with SSE2 can run it).

progx said:
as a Mac user, the best substitute for a PowerPC processor is an AMD. it's the closest you can get. don't defend Intel, because it's damn true and you all know it. without AMD, the x86 market wouldn't be like it is today.
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I 100% agree that the x86 market wouldn't be the same without AMD. AMD pushed Intel to make better chips, and Intel is going to push AMD to make better chips.

EDIT: Also, this is NOT a flaming post so don't think I'm being rude or anything, I'm just having a fun argument. 🙂🙂
 
No offense progx, you have no clue what you're talking about. EFI, was designed by Intel, AMD had nothing to do with EFI. And while AMD had the first and better 64bit solution, Intel had a much better mobile solution with their Pentium M. They're also responsible for little things like USB and PCIe.
 
MacsRgr8 said:
Not quite convinced, sorry to say.

If I were the one to video the first Mac to boot Windows XP natively, I'll pretty much make sure the people watching it are absolutely convinced! So, if you zoom in on the processor info, make sure it is readable.... can't be that much of a problem....
These guys are pretty much doing their best not to be very assuring. 🙄

BTW... about Windows gaming on an Intel Mac.
OK, assuming XP does run, is the grfx card 100% supported? No Mac-ROM code on it? What about sound? It wouldn't surprize me that DirectX isn't supported.
Don't get too over excited that an iMac Intel could run Half Life 2.

EDIT: good to see the ol' Blackie-'tar back, Lord Blackadder
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I would be surprised if the sound did not work. Since Apple does not make their own motherboards i'd assume they're similar to what you'd find onboard on any other intel chipset motherboard.
 
suntzu said:
Also, does anyone with an iMac know if the light glows when you restart the computer or start it from a cold stop?
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My mac glows whenever I turn it on, or press a key to bring it back from sleep... as in brighter to show input then back down to normal 'on' brightness.
 
Detlev said:
Wasn't there something in the news about Intel last week and that their sales/orders are quite off?
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No clue, but it doesn't really matter because of the fact that their newest CPU's are currently doing an amazing job and their next desktop chip looks to be amazing as well. Sales mean nothing. 🙂
 
Detlev said:
Wasn't there something in the news about Intel last week and that their sales/orders are quite off?
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Yep, they had some real weakness in desktop chips sales in the US market. That's kind of expected when the whole world knows that Pentium is on the way out.
 
Photos

The photos that are posted are very exciting. Good camera, good size, good lighting. Deff. some serious driver issues, but that is kinda expected no?
 
deadturtle said:
The photos that are posted are very exciting. Good camera, good size, good lighting. Deff. some serious driver issues, but that is kinda expected no?
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Well, it's expected not to have driver support out of the box, but I'd be likely to bet using Intel's 945 chipset drivers would provide support for most of the main components.
 
decksnap said:
OK- thanks- but can you format one partition as HFS and one as Fat32 or whatever? Basically asking if you can literally boot both OSs off the same hard drive, or if you need two.
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Sure, you can do partitions of two differnt formats on one disk. How do you think people dual boot Linux and Windows on a PC? It's actually easier then when you try with two separate hard drives.

In the video, the device list is shown and I think the purpose was to show us two different partitions, but the shakey camera work makes the screen unreadable.

You can get software called MacDrive ($50) for the Windows side and that would allow it to read HFS/HFS+ formatted disks, so you sould still access your documents from the Mac side. I have it and for the most part it makes my PC as platform agnostic when it comes to removable media as, well, my Mac has been since system 7.5. MacDrive also can read type/creator codes on files so even if they don't have a filename extension it will be able to have them opened by the right Windows app.
 
ethernet76 said:
I would be surprised if the sound did not work. Since Apple does not make their own motherboards i'd assume they're similar to what you'd find onboard on any other intel chipset motherboard.
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GO GOLDEN FLASHES!!!!! sorry to get off topic but noticed you are @ Kent State (Which is my Alma Mater also). We are ranked 12th (or 14th) this year!!!

This is huge!!! we never had any good sports teams up there... u gonna watch the game on saturday??? MARCH MADNESS BABY!!!😀

Hopefully Pittsburgh doesnt knock us right out 😛
 
Dig it.

The "NEW!" WINDOWS VISTA is now stuck in the Stone-Age, (using BIOS)-almost a rusty relic-with neither WFS or EFI--***IF*** if it even arrives in 2006 (dont bet on it).

We now (or soon will have) Windows running on Macs-a boon to those who will still need to use Windows apps at work-they can now buy a Mac.

And finally, if Steve would get up off his butt and create OS X for PCs-
he would sell millions more copies of "X"-and likely drag a few more "switchers" over to the Mac Hardware side.

A HELL of a lot more;

When 10.5 comes out, all hell could break loose;

And the world would be a peach for Steve to reach for and catch-or drop.
 
Good news, the solution is confirmed to work on the MBP (no specs avaliable) and the 17" iMac. Tweaks are underway for the mini and 20" imac... 😀
 
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