Hunts121 said:you know there is Snes9x for mac os x right?
Does it allow for network play over the Internet? I always play games with a friend of mine... If so, scratch one more app that I need my PC for...
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Does it allow for network play over the Internet? I always play games with a friend of mine... If so, scratch one more app that I need my PC for...
Awaiting the results sure is exciting.
I don't see why a lot of people are upset, though. It's not like Apple sells OS X for Windows boxes and Microsoft now sells Windows XP for Apple computers. This is purely a user choice. It's just there... you don't have to use it. I already have a Windows box, so I won't be installing XP on a Mac anytime soon. Vista... that may be another story, as it's still a ways off. I have a G4 computer anyway, so this doesn't affect me.
But in my opinion, I still think it's cool that it is finally happening. A lot of people are going to be very happy about this.
I don't see why a lot of people are upset, though. It's not like Apple sells OS X for Windows boxes and Microsoft now sells Windows XP for Apple computers. This is purely a user choice. It's just there... you don't have to use it. I already have a Windows box, so I won't be installing XP on a Mac anytime soon. Vista... that may be another story, as it's still a ways off. I have a G4 computer anyway, so this doesn't affect me.
But in my opinion, I still think it's cool that it is finally happening. A lot of people are going to be very happy about this.
~Shard~ said:Okay - solve poverty then.
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime. Give when they need it, not for their entire life.
And for the sake of humanity get rid of the corrupt politicians. Wait, then there would be none! Catch 22!
I can certainly see people's concerns (and even Apple's) but one of the requirements for this contest was seamless (or easy) dual booting of both OSes. Even then, this is clearly a computerphile system tweak that not many people would feel comfortable doing.
However, in time, someone will realize that there's a buck to be made here. A third party company will automate the process via some sort of install/system modification disc and you supply your additional OSes to load (XP, Vista, whatever). At that point, an OS other than OS X on the Mac might become easier for "Joe User" to do. Even then, that's a level of technical expertise that only a minority would likely be willing to undertake.
Personally I'd use a separate drive for Windows or any other OS; partitioning creates a single point of failure and exposes my system to some of the issues already stated in this thread (viruses, etc).
I consider it a good thing. If you don't have a need or desire for dual booting, then you certainly don't have to take part. But for many of us, this is fantastic news and opens up a whole new realm for using our Macs.
However, in time, someone will realize that there's a buck to be made here. A third party company will automate the process via some sort of install/system modification disc and you supply your additional OSes to load (XP, Vista, whatever). At that point, an OS other than OS X on the Mac might become easier for "Joe User" to do. Even then, that's a level of technical expertise that only a minority would likely be willing to undertake.
Personally I'd use a separate drive for Windows or any other OS; partitioning creates a single point of failure and exposes my system to some of the issues already stated in this thread (viruses, etc).
I consider it a good thing. If you don't have a need or desire for dual booting, then you certainly don't have to take part. But for many of us, this is fantastic news and opens up a whole new realm for using our Macs.
Running XP on a MacBook Pro will be great for me as a grad student.
I'm still skeptical, but hopeful as well. The problem is - how good (i.e. compatible) of a solution will this hack be? Will M$ release a patch that will break XP on the Mac in response to this (assuming it is legit).
I await further developments with impatience.
I'm still skeptical, but hopeful as well. The problem is - how good (i.e. compatible) of a solution will this hack be? Will M$ release a patch that will break XP on the Mac in response to this (assuming it is legit).
I await further developments with impatience.
Fake!
I call FAKE on this video WHY the mouse! if you look closely the mouse is a MAC icon mouse not a windows mouse, when window's is THINKING the mouse changes into a Hourglass but when a MAC is thinking it puts the Hourglass NEXT to the pointer or uses the Spinning wheel depending on the program, as in Microsoft® Virtual PC!
The mouse icon is not something hard wired into the computer it's a icon file that is used by the OS and draw's to the screen when needed, admittedly you could change the mouse look AFTER the OS has been installed with mods but it don't think it's possible to do it before installation you would have to recompile the install OS.
It is possible to change the windows startup screen to display whatever you want, say like a gray screen with the windows logo on it, company's have been doing this for years when they sell there custom made computers.
One day i would love to dual boot my iMac running windows, i love to game and sadly my mac lacks alot of good games, i imagine it would take something like Yellow Dogs linux dual-boot loader and some fancy coding to make windows run on my mac.
Yellow Dog
Until i see an installer in my hands and a running computer i CALL FAKE!
I call FAKE on this video WHY the mouse! if you look closely the mouse is a MAC icon mouse not a windows mouse, when window's is THINKING the mouse changes into a Hourglass but when a MAC is thinking it puts the Hourglass NEXT to the pointer or uses the Spinning wheel depending on the program, as in Microsoft® Virtual PC!
The mouse icon is not something hard wired into the computer it's a icon file that is used by the OS and draw's to the screen when needed, admittedly you could change the mouse look AFTER the OS has been installed with mods but it don't think it's possible to do it before installation you would have to recompile the install OS.
It is possible to change the windows startup screen to display whatever you want, say like a gray screen with the windows logo on it, company's have been doing this for years when they sell there custom made computers.
One day i would love to dual boot my iMac running windows, i love to game and sadly my mac lacks alot of good games, i imagine it would take something like Yellow Dogs linux dual-boot loader and some fancy coding to make windows run on my mac.
Yellow Dog
Until i see an installer in my hands and a running computer i CALL FAKE!
age234 said:
It could be good, if it leads to people buying more Macintosh computers and if those people give OS X a try. I can't think of a more compact transition than a person:
sitting in front of their iMac;
getting frustrated with Windows;
contemplating throwing the iMac off the desk;
pausing to appreciate the superior design of the machine;
realizing it would be a pity to destroy it;
restarting the iMac;
choosing OS X over Windows;
taking the time to learn a better OS;
returning to Windows with less frequency each day.
Ostensibly, it could lead to more "switchers," though that might be a bit of a misnomer now.
Fake. Either running VPC in full screen (hence the horridly slow boot up), or hacked cable in iMac G5/iMac Intel with PC running its LCD.
Why they would turn in fake instructions? Come up with a way to ruin at least 10 computers. 9 people are testing it, 3 on MacBook Pro, 3 on Mac Mini Intel, and 3 on iMac Intel. Include the main guy running the contest you have 10 Mac users you could give instructions to that they would follow line-by-line giving you the potential of destroy 10 computers. Evil practical joke, that is why.
Why they would turn in fake instructions? Come up with a way to ruin at least 10 computers. 9 people are testing it, 3 on MacBook Pro, 3 on Mac Mini Intel, and 3 on iMac Intel. Include the main guy running the contest you have 10 Mac users you could give instructions to that they would follow line-by-line giving you the potential of destroy 10 computers. Evil practical joke, that is why.
Bishop604 said:I call FAKE on this video WHY the mouse! if you look closely the mouse is a MAC icon mouse not a windows mouse, when window's is THINKING the mouse changes into a Hourglass but when a MAC is thinking it puts the Hourglass NEXT to the pointer or uses the Spinning wheel depending on the program, as in Microsoft® Virtual PC!
The mouse icon is not something hard wired into the computer it's a icon file that is used by the OS and draw's to the screen when needed, admittedly you could change the mouse look AFTER the OS has been installed with mods but it don't think it's possible to do it before installation you would have to recompile the install OS.
It is possible to change the windows startup screen to display whatever you want, say like a gray screen with the windows logo on it, company's have been doing this for years when they sell there custom made computers.
One day i would love to dual boot my iMac running windows, i love to game and sadly my mac lacks alot of good games, i imagine it would take something like Yellow Dogs linux dual-boot loader and some fancy coding to make windows run on my mac.
Yellow Dog
Until i see an installer in my hands and a running computer i CALL FAKE!
If it was FAKE then he has some serious balls to SUBMIT HIS SOLUTION FOR REVIEW. Not sure if you read that part.
From the video it looks like he had two hard drives connected. One was a generic USB drive and the other was a maxtor drive. I don't know wich one he booted on. Hopefully it was the generic. If that's case, then you're money.crees! said:
XP booting up on a mac will be a great option for gamers. VMWare for others.
You're not slow...
First, we don't know that this is booting from the internal drive. Mac supports firewire start-up disks, so it's not impossible that narf could be using an XP-formatted external.
Even if FW booting won't work with XP, narf could still have partitioned his HD and formatted one partition for Windows before the install.
Another possibility is that narf simply took the 3.5" SATA HD out of a PC after having installed XP on it and replaced the iMac's HD with that one.
In the end, the rub isn't going to be that XP does recognize a certain disk format. As long as Disk Utility can format a disk for use with XP (which it can, thank goodness!), the format will be less of an issue.
You're right to note that Windows generally doesn't recognize the default OSX disk formatting. However, I can think of some quick work-arounds:decksnap said:What format are the drives in these things? I'm confused because I thought XP doesn't recognize HFS. I guess I'm just slow...
First, we don't know that this is booting from the internal drive. Mac supports firewire start-up disks, so it's not impossible that narf could be using an XP-formatted external.
Even if FW booting won't work with XP, narf could still have partitioned his HD and formatted one partition for Windows before the install.
Another possibility is that narf simply took the 3.5" SATA HD out of a PC after having installed XP on it and replaced the iMac's HD with that one.
In the end, the rub isn't going to be that XP does recognize a certain disk format. As long as Disk Utility can format a disk for use with XP (which it can, thank goodness!), the format will be less of an issue.
wheezy said:Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime. Give when they need it, not for their entire life.
And for the sake of humanity get rid of the corrupt politicians. Wait, then there would be none! Catch 22!
Ironic that someone from Alpine would undertake Shard's rhetorical question regarding a permanent solution for poverty. Alpine is one of the more affluent communities in all of Utah.
Here are two of the rules
Windows must be able to coexist with Mac OS X and each system may not interfere with the operation of the other (basically a traditional dual boot system where one OS is running at a time)
Your method, upon starting the computer, must offer the user to boot either OS X or Windows XP (hint: GRUB / LILO)
Well I did not see any option dual booting - He failed here
At the beginning of the video when windows asking where it should be installed. Why does the person press F3 as if to quit the installation has he never installed XP on a machine before.
Whats the memory stick installed for.
Windows must be able to coexist with Mac OS X and each system may not interfere with the operation of the other (basically a traditional dual boot system where one OS is running at a time)
Your method, upon starting the computer, must offer the user to boot either OS X or Windows XP (hint: GRUB / LILO)
Well I did not see any option dual booting - He failed here
At the beginning of the video when windows asking where it should be installed. Why does the person press F3 as if to quit the installation has he never installed XP on a machine before.
Whats the memory stick installed for.
cr2sh said:
you can not build a Intel dual proc system unless you are using Xeon procs.....expensive....but yes XP will work there
macinabox said:
Am I the only one that saw the install screen and then he popped into the intial setup screen. One section showed the install process; another the stup process; another with the user login, which looked like two users, and the last with a single login user and then he logged in. The final login, the boot-up seemed realtively fast. So he just showed several sections and it seems pretty smooth and XP seemed to run fast on the system.
simie said:
Interesting observations, thanks for those.
Alas, I fear there will be people who analyze every pixel of this video to death and argue back and forth until it is proven one way or the other. I'm interested to know the reuslts, but not that interested.
In the meantime, I'll prepare my "beating a dead horse" graphic for use once this thread grows beyond 10 pages... 
Cool video (minus the need for some motion sickness drugs). The question remains, does it still boot OS X (Tiger)? Why would I shell out for a great computer that runs yesterdays software?
If true, however, then Apple's stock in the computer world is about to go up.
If true, however, then Apple's stock in the computer world is about to go up.