The final piece need is 360° recording of events so the viewer can look everywhere like in real life. 
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Vision Pro 2 Rumored to Gain Brighter and More Efficient Displays
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HobeSoundDarryl
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How foolish do we feel with approx annual updates to phones, tablets and computers? And if we don’t feel that way about those, why would we exclusively for this product? Price?
Configure a 16” MBpro with a bit more than minimum specs and see where that lands. One just hit in the Fall. An upgrade is rumored for this coming Fall.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
The final piece need is 360° recording of events so the viewer can look everywhere like in real life.
I was shocked that it doesn’t come with this feature. It seems to be such a natural fit to the concept.
How is any of this worth the debate?
Every tech product gets better with EVERY generation.
It doesn't matter whether you are buying virtual reality glasses, a laptop, TV, fridge, watch, or air conditioner, tech keeps improving constantly.
Of course version 2 will be better than version 1. And version 3 will be better than version 2. And 17 will be better than 16.
The improvement happens in displays, batteries, processors, speakers, modems, and mechanical parts - it's all across the board.
Cars cost tens of thousands of dollars/euros, but somehow people keep buying them without worrying that next year's model will be better.
But somehow the Vision Pro is different? Make it make sense.
Every tech product gets better with EVERY generation.
It doesn't matter whether you are buying virtual reality glasses, a laptop, TV, fridge, watch, or air conditioner, tech keeps improving constantly.
Of course version 2 will be better than version 1. And version 3 will be better than version 2. And 17 will be better than 16.
The improvement happens in displays, batteries, processors, speakers, modems, and mechanical parts - it's all across the board.
Cars cost tens of thousands of dollars/euros, but somehow people keep buying them without worrying that next year's model will be better.
But somehow the Vision Pro is different? Make it make sense.
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Good thing it will be three years later, then.
This rumour is very believable as the AVP hardware is so much on the bleeding edge, there was never gonna be a „fast“ second iteration.
My opinion on that is that the updates are not as big of leaps. Also, the price is 1/3 of this device. I imagine the gains from the Vision Pro 1 to 2 will be substantial. That makes me believe it would not happen after 1 year and would be closer to 3 years later as this article suggest.
There is 0% chance they come out with a new vision Pro a year later. It will be 2 years minimum but more likely 3. The backlash Apple would face would be immense if they pulled something like that.
Remember the first Gold Apple Watch $10,000 then a year later Apple releases a new better one. Earlier adopter will get shafted for sure it’s be a cool party show off item for about 9 months before the next release
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Please identify the "non-essential features" to be cut. That sounds perfectly logical but identifying what is non-essential is crucial... especially if there is no compromise to what is rumored to be one of the most expensive parts: the 4K lenses/displays.
Compare Quest key specs/features to Vpro key specs/features. To get down to Quest pricing with Apple margin means cutting features down to Quest features too. If Meta is NOT demanding Apple margins for Quest, Apple's Quest equivalent would probably have to have LESS tech/quality in it to still get Apple their presumably fatter margin too.
And if the cheaper Apple "quest" model is the big seller to attract developers, developers then code for that quality of tech. Best I know, there is little coding to take full advantage of Mx Ultra chips. Instead, the coding targets base M-series but utilizes easier (coding) options where possible to use extra cores, etc in more robust cousins. Targeting MAX & ULTRA to maximize some game or similar would probably rule out PRO and non-PRO, which is likely the much larger market.
If you want Vpro dazzle, you have to motivate development for the superior tech features... not inferior ones. I'm confident that a cheaper Vamateur (Quest equivalent) would sell much better than the Vpro version due to cheaper price... like base specs M and A-series tech from Apple probably far outsells the upgraded MAX & ULTRA and PROMAX units. But if that's the mainstream play for developers, they will code for THAT greater opportunity.
Note that the Micro-OLED used in the 1st-gen AVP is the same (on-silicon with the same DPI). The main difference for the 2nd-gen is WOLED vs. RGB OLED, like currently for OLED TVs with LG vs. Samsung.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
On the bright side, that means I'll likely live to be 148 or so in the traditional method of measuring years. Alas, not competing with the 4-year cycles of leap year (Feb 29 born) people, but I'll take 3 to 1 to see the future beyond 2100.
That settles it. I should just wait for the update to the product not even released yet.
Wireless is too slow for AR latency. It would have to be a new iPhone with a wired data link port specifically designed for that. (Theoretically the iPhone Pro USB3 port could do it, but I doubt that the internal data link is designed for it.)
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Because this is a rumor site and when the info becomes available, they report it.
But will you be able to see my fake eyes on the outside still? Super important.
At the present level, “brighter” mainly means brighter HDR highlights, and otherwise “uses less power at the same given brightness”.
That would only allow to look around, not to move around like in real life.The final piece need is 360° recording of events so the viewer can look everywhere like in real life.
Honestly, for such an expensive device, I would hope / expect the generational improvements to be extremely incremental, like the Apple Watch. I mean for instance I have a 5th Gen Apple Watch and see no reason other than the ailing battery to upgrade to anything newer.
I posted this before, but all I want is the thing to be a bit smaller in the forehead, otherwise this will be exactly the same product for a decade at least until Apple can make real pass-though as compelling as the digital version, at which point the digital version will be good enough that we're all wearing Doc Browns glasses.
I posted this before, but all I want is the thing to be a bit smaller in the forehead, otherwise this will be exactly the same product for a decade at least until Apple can make real pass-though as compelling as the digital version, at which point the digital version will be good enough that we're all wearing Doc Browns glasses.
You’d need several dozen cameras to even approximate it. The parallax between the eyes is essential, so ideally you’d need two cameras in each direction that you want to record. You can do some interpolation in between, but only so much. Also think of the needed bandwidth and storage requirements. It’s highly non-trivial, compared to 2D 360° panorama.