Vision Pro 2 Rumored to Gain Brighter and More Efficient Displays

[Rychiar]

How foolish do we feel with approx annual updates to phones, tablets and computers? And if we don’t feel that way about those, why would we exclusively for this product? Price?

Configure a 16” MBpro with a bit more than minimum specs and see where that lands. One just hit in the Fall. An upgrade is rumored for this coming Fall.

plenty of people do get aggravated by those updates but computers are usually a device people keep for 3-10 years, same with tablets. there's no great reason to upgrade those regularly. the experience doesn't change much and their use case it more utilitarian. a device like this is still more of a toy, a very exciting toy, but a toy nonetheless and with unproven capabilities. you're dropping more money than you would usually spend on a high end pro computer that makes you money and that could last you a decade on a device thats unproven and kind of an experiment at this point. Not a necessity. it's quick obsolescence would be much more of a sting.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Those cameras and videos you link aren’t 3D, they merely produce a spherical 2D video. It probably wouldn’t be difficult to write an app that projects those videos in the 3D space of the AVP, and Apple could conceivably have added cameras in the right locations to capture such videos, but that’s not actual spatial VR.

Then I guess at least for me, I'd prefer THAT illusion to only the apparently superior but limited range of "out front" capture only. Note that I lean quite positive on Vpro, so this is not putting down Vpro- just wishing that that ability to capture an "all around" view so that- when using Vpro- I could look in any direction would have something to show in the directions other than "out front."

 

[citysnaps]

Most people/families didn't own an early Mac. There were some, but the majority of homes had no computer at all until the mid 90s.

I don't think this will tank, but I don't think it will be popular outside of the crowd that buys a Mac Studio or Mac Pro. The majority of Apple users have an iPhone, a sub $2k MacBook, an Apple Watch, and aren't looking to drop $3k+ on something like this, regardless of what it can do.

Apple did very well selling its first generation Mac at $2,495 ($7,400 in 2023 money).

From release date in January 1984 to April 1984, Apple sold 50,000 Macs. 70,000 by May, and 250,000 Macs by the end of 1984, outselling IBM's lower cost PCjr. And with that, dealers were backlogged with orders they couldn't fulfill.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Apple did very well selling its first generation Mac at $2,495 ($7,400 in 2023 money).

From release date in January 1984 to April 1984, Apple sold 50,000 Macs. 70,000 by May, and 250,000 by the end of 1984, outselling IBM's lower cost PCjr. And with that, dealers were backlogged with orders they couldn't fulfill.

I didn't suggest that they didn't, but a huge amount of those computers went to schools. I went to a small rural school in Indiana, and we had two Apples in every elementary school ('85-'90) classroom, plus the front office staff used them. No one I knew had their own computer until the 90s.

We got our first family computer in 1993 or 1994.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

plenty of people do get aggravated by those updates but computers are usually a device people keep for 3-10 years, same with tablets. there's no great reason to upgrade those regularly. the experience doesn't change much and their use case it more utilitarian. a device like this is still more of a toy, a very exciting toy, but a toy nonetheless and with unproven capabilities. you're dropping more money than you would usually spend on a high end pro computer that makes you money and that could last you a decade on a device thats unproven and kind of an experiment at this point. Not a necessity. it's quick obsolescence would be much more of a sting.

As the article says, apparently Version 2 is 3 full years out so it becomes a question of what "quick" means.

Furthermore, if how much we pay for something drives how long we are likely to keep using it, then this purchase will likely be used for about as long as current MBpro 16" sold for $3499 in the store right now...

I'm seemingly odd man out in this crowd where I lean pretty POSITIVE on this product. If that sense doesn't get changed when I get to try one myself in store such that I then purchase THIS one, I probably WILL use it for the next 4-6 years before replacing it with what may be version 3 or 4 in 2028-30.

Is it a toy? Is it a useful tool? To be determined. My imagination has it delivering an any-size MB screen anywhere I happen to travel. That appears to be very likely based upon the WWDC demo showing it doing exactly that... AND that much cheaper ones can do that at their much poorer resolutions. If that, I see it as a super-sized "lid" of a MB that may equate to up to half of a $3499 price now forever locked to a 16" size. For double the price of a MB lid to get any size of screen on demand doesn't seem expensive or "toy" to me.

But to each his own. Most seem to perceive that this is only an Apple Quest, able to play a few games and that's about it. If that's all it is, Quest (at much lower cost) for the win. But I suspect it is much more than only that... and most of us should harbor that same suspicion.

 

[Harry Haller]

If it is 3 years between releases, I would feel much better about dropping the $3500+. If a new model drops a year later, I would feel like a damn fool.

Like the M2 to M3 MBP transition?

 

[WarmWinterHat]

As the article says, apparently Version 2 is 3 full years out so it becomes a question of what "quick" means.

Furthermore, if how much we pay for something drives how long we are likely to keep using it, then this purchase will likely be used for about as long as current MBpro 16" sold for $3499 in the store right now...

I'm seemingly odd man out in this crowd where I lean pretty POSITIVE on this product. If that sense doesn't get changed when I get to try one myself in store such that I then purchase THIS one, I probably WILL use it for the next 4-6 years before replacing it with what may be version 3 or 4 in 2028-30.

Is it a toy? Is it a useful tool? To be determined. My imagination has it delivering an any-size MB screen anywhere I happen to travel. That appears to be very likely based upon the WWDC demo showing it doing exactly that... AND that much cheaper ones can do that at their much poorer resolutions. If that, I see it as a super-sized "lid" of a MB that may equate to up to half of a $3499 price now forever locked to a 16" size. For double the price of a MB lid to get any size of screen on demand doesn't seem expensive or "toy" to me.

But to each his own. Most seem to perceive that this is only an Apple Quest, able to play a few games and that's about it. If that's all it is, Quest (at much lower cost) for the win. But I suspect it is much more than only that... and most of us should harbor that same suspicion.

You picked an awfully pricy MacBook as your example. The MacBook Air is their biggest seller, by a large margin, and they cost no where near that, and people keep them for years.

I'm doing very well financially, but have no use for a 32gb ram MacBook, nor any interest in a Vision Pro. it's going to be an enthusiast device for years, at best.

 

[citysnaps]

I didn't suggest that they didn't, but a huge amount of those computers went to schools. I went to a small rural school in Indiana, and we had two Apples in every elementary school ('85-'90) classroom, plus the front office staff used them. No one I knew had their own computer until the 90s.

We got our first family computer in 1993 or 1994.

I and most of my friends, and co-workers, had home computers starting in the 1980s - many beginning with the IBM PC. Indeed, Byte Magazine had 420,000 subscribers in 1982, and grew dramatically from there. Home computers were in a lot of homes. Though perhaps not rural-ish areas.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

I and most of my friends, and co-workers, had home computers starting in the 1980s - many beginning with the IBM PC. Indeed, Byte Magazine had 420,000 subscribers in 1982, and grew dramatically from there. Home computers were in a lot of homes. Though perhaps not rural-ish areas.

According to the US Census, in 1984, around 8.5% of households had home computers, so less than 1 in 10. I guess it depends on where you lived as well. No one around me had them, and while many people I knew used them at work/school, they didn't have them at home. By 1993, it was 22%, so still pretty low. In the US, the 50% threshold wasn't crossed until 2000.

https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/computerusage1984.pdf

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

You picked an awfully pricy MacBook as your example. The MacBook Air is their biggest seller, by a large margin, and they cost no where near that.

I picked one of the 3 MBpro that show, though admittedly one that matches Vpro price. I could have loaded it up to make it have a much higher price. Or I could dial it down to the minimum to make it $1K LESS than Vpro.

This is "pro" not "air" and whether this is a high price or not is also "eye of the beholder." There are professional VR products that cost MANY TIMES what this costs.

Else, I've seen glasses branded VR that cost only a few hundred... so we could consider that roughly "the same" to frame Vpro as crazy expensive.

The OP post was about "latest & greatest" frustration: buyer buys and next generation comes out making buyer feel like they are now behind. That was applied to this concept... that someone buying Vpro 1 is going to feel "foolish" (word they used) when Vpro 2 arrives. My counter was "do we feel foolish about approx. annual upgrades of MBpro, Tablets, Phones?" If so, we should all feel foolish at nearly all times... because everything Apple has updates "coming soon."

So whether the example used is the base $3499 or the base $2499 MBpro, the point is still the same: whatever MBpro or whatever else any of us purchases now is going to be updated in the not-too-distant future. We can feel foolish if we choose or we can buy when we want or need- and pay whatever price if we want Apple's version of "it"- or we can just buy and enjoy whatever we bought, through a generation or three if we choose. That's what I'll do if I buy Vpro- probably use it until it fails and then replace it with version 3, 4 or 5 at that time.

 

[Paddle1]

Except the M1 Air; it's fantastic.

I still waited a good six months before I ordered one, though. I'm not an early adopter and prefer everyone else test out new tech first.

I wouldn't be so sure. Knowing Apple future macOS updates will probably have several features that are unavailable to M1 devices.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

I wouldn't be so sure. Knowing Apple future macOS updates will probably have several features that are unavailable to M1 devices.

Does that really matter? I kept my 2012 Pro for 8 years, and while it didn't support everything that Apple came out with, it didn't make it worth upgrading either.

I, and most regular Mac users (not here), don't really have FOMO with computers. Phones are a different story, and they're cheaper and often subsidized.

 

[brofkand]

Remember that first iPhone: 2GB & 4GB..?

I think it was 4 and 8. They later dropped the 4GB model, and cut the price of the 8GB model and even later released a 16GB model.

Then the 3G came out with all the features everyone wanted from the outset like MMS, 3G networking, and GPS.

 

[coolfactor]

Imagine you spend $3,499 and one year later the next model ist brighter, lighter and faster. Of course that happens with many products, but it is always frustrating. That's why I usually do not buy the first model.

Reminder: You're on a Rumor site. Of course there will be talk of predictions and future releases. If that frustrates you, maybe just maybe switch to MacNostalgia.com instead? 🤣

 

[gomichaelgo]

Imagine you spend $3,499 and one year later the next model ist brighter, lighter and faster. Of course that happens with many products, but it is always frustrating. That's why I usually do not buy the first model.

You know the 3rd model is better than the 2nd right?

 

[coolfactor]

Why have an article talking about updates for a 2nd version product when the first version hasn't been released? Given the expected cost of the first release, some things may or may not happen with the 2nd version release.

1. This is a Rumor site.
2. Product development, especially for something as advanced as the Vision tech, is YEARS in the making. So there's always something juicy to discover from various partners that Apple works with.

Internally, Apple is already busy working on the next two or three releases of major products.

 

[topdrawer]

I wonder if gen 3 will be even better

 

[k1121j]

To me it’s more of a price vs how long a device is supported thing. It’s technology it’s always gonna get better each year. Until I see the life cycle I’m just gonna watch from the sidelines.

 

[lovehateapple]

Even if a second gen AVP is released in 2027, it doesn't (necessarily) mean the first gen will immediately be obsolete. There will probably / hopefully still be plenty of life left in the first gen. It all depends on whether there is a hardware or software improvement that opens up new use cases that weren't available before. Yeah sure, new brighter displays are great, but I don't see how that alone would create new applications for the device. More efficiency leading to longer battery life on the other hand might do that.

 

[richard371]

Imagine you spend $3,499 and one year later the next model ist brighter, lighter and faster. Of course that happens with many products, but it is always frustrating. That's why I usually do not buy the first model.

Looks like 2027 so have some time to enjoy the current tech.

 

[MrWayne]

I bought a quest pro one year ago because I dont have space for monitors. Now it looks like I have to wait until 2027. I like Apple

 

[cdsapplefan]

I’ll just save my money for the next Tesla instead of this

 

[robertosh]

mmm more brighter and efficient NSFW watching, nice!

 

[gaximus]

“OLEDoS” sounds like a cookie.

> OLEDoS (OLED on Silicon) is a display panel that typically has a diagonal length of less than 1 inch and meets the 3000 ppi-4000 ppi resolution criteria of AR/VR device displays. Existing OLED displays use Low-Temperature-Poly-Silicon (LTPS) or Oxide TFT based on glass substrates. But OLEDoS uses silicon-wafer-based CMOS substrates. Using silicon substrates, ultra-fine circuit structures typically used in semiconductor processes can be reproduced, which in turn lead to the creation of ultra-high-resolution OLEDs when organic matter is deposited on them.

4000 ppi, what a time to be alive.

I heard that this is the first production OLEDoS display to be used, one of the reasons for the massive price tag. When you say 3000-4000-ppi makes it sound like there are a lot out there, is that true?

 

[DeepWebinar]

yeah that’s this thing’s problem. display is too dim.